RE: [Vo]:81 MW container ship Diesel engine

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Jed:

if you wanted to actually sail it anywhere, even just around the harbor, it’ll 
cost a lot more for a crew and diesel fuel!

But, if you just want to party hearty while docked at the wharf, probably 
cheaper than renting a posh nightclub for a few hours, and all your friends 
will be like, NO WAY Kewl dude!

J

-mark

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 12:28 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:81 MW container ship Diesel engine

 

MarkI-ZeroPoint  wrote:

 

“Rates for Capesize-class ships plummeted 92 percent since August to $1,563 a 
day amid slowing growth in China.

 

That's cheap. Heck, I could afford that. It would be an interesting party venue 
for a 1-day excursion or a wedding. Plenty of space for a crowd. I'll bet 
that's cheaper than most luxury yacht charters.

 

- Jed

 

Re: [Vo]:Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

[Bob Higgins]

You say the solution is obvious, but that is far from the case.  If the
power companies charged everyone a flat fee for their share of the grid
maintenance and repayment of capital, I guarantee you that the bills of the
apartment dwellers would go way up.  The power company makes money on each
kWH you use and they expect the bigger, more expensive homes will use more
power and pay a larger share of the grid costs.  The problem is that if
solar panels are added, it reduces the kWHs used in the big home.  How
could they legally justify raising the base price just for the larger home
owners?  They can't.  But, the present profit by kWH used billing does just
that - unless solar panels are present.

Interestingly, where I live, I calculated today that I could go off grid
entirely with about a 4 year payback cycle.  I would use a diesel generator
as a CHP.  The water cooling of the engine would heat my house, allowing me
to use almost all of the energy available from each gallon of diesel fuel.
If I compare the fuel cost of such a system compared to my far-from-optimum
electric+propane energy supply, I would save 45% in fuel cost compared to
present bills and would apply that 45% to pay back the capital cost over
about 4 years.  When you add solar in with this, it is a lot of system to
get correct, but the payback would be about the same with less fuel burning.

The power companies are definitely on shaky ground, and they know it.  The
solar power wars are probably going to result in some new state laws.

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 9:02 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  Bob Higgins's message of Wed, 4 May 2016 17:46:33 -0600:
> Hi,
>
> The solution is obvious. The power companies should charge a usage price
> for the
> connection to the grid that reflects the actual costs of maintaining the
> hardware, including the poles and wires, then on top of that they should
> charge
> for the power delivered.
> That way, everyone pays their fair share, and the power company will
> continue to
> function as long as people stay connected.
>
> >Well, that is the crux.  If the power infrastructure is going to charge
> the
> >consumer the same whether he uses grid power or not but still has the grid
> >connection, what is the user's incentive to invest in alternative energy?
> >Actually, they are creating a situation where users will disconnect from
> >the grid entirely.  Then, the electric company will not get any money from
> >that user.  Their present policies are heading toward forcing the
> >development of off-grid solutions and because of that, these off-grid
> >solutions will become better and better alternatives.  CHP is going to
> >thrive on LENR, and it doesn't need LENR to begin.  A solar assisted house
> >with a diesel generator to provide both supplemental electricity and the
> >heat needed in the house (for cooler climes) is probably already on the
> >threshold of competing with grid power for the same application.
> >
> >This has happened to the wireline telephone company - people have gone
> >completely wireless and eliminated the wireline service altogether.  It is
> >also happening to the cable companies as more and more people are starting
> >to get their entertainment from the internet.  The power company is in the
> >beginnings of a death spiral and it is not going to be pretty,
> particularly
> >for the consumers that cannot afford to migrate to new energy
> technologies.
> [snip]
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

[mixent]

In reply to  Bob Higgins's message of Wed, 4 May 2016 17:46:33 -0600:
Hi,

The solution is obvious. The power companies should charge a usage price for the
connection to the grid that reflects the actual costs of maintaining the
hardware, including the poles and wires, then on top of that they should charge
for the power delivered.
That way, everyone pays their fair share, and the power company will continue to
function as long as people stay connected.

>Well, that is the crux.  If the power infrastructure is going to charge the
>consumer the same whether he uses grid power or not but still has the grid
>connection, what is the user's incentive to invest in alternative energy?
>Actually, they are creating a situation where users will disconnect from
>the grid entirely.  Then, the electric company will not get any money from
>that user.  Their present policies are heading toward forcing the
>development of off-grid solutions and because of that, these off-grid
>solutions will become better and better alternatives.  CHP is going to
>thrive on LENR, and it doesn't need LENR to begin.  A solar assisted house
>with a diesel generator to provide both supplemental electricity and the
>heat needed in the house (for cooler climes) is probably already on the
>threshold of competing with grid power for the same application.
>
>This has happened to the wireline telephone company - people have gone
>completely wireless and eliminated the wireline service altogether.  It is
>also happening to the cable companies as more and more people are starting
>to get their entertainment from the internet.  The power company is in the
>beginnings of a death spiral and it is not going to be pretty, particularly
>for the consumers that cannot afford to migrate to new energy technologies.
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

[Bob Higgins]

Well, that is the crux.  If the power infrastructure is going to charge the
consumer the same whether he uses grid power or not but still has the grid
connection, what is the user's incentive to invest in alternative energy?
Actually, they are creating a situation where users will disconnect from
the grid entirely.  Then, the electric company will not get any money from
that user.  Their present policies are heading toward forcing the
development of off-grid solutions and because of that, these off-grid
solutions will become better and better alternatives.  CHP is going to
thrive on LENR, and it doesn't need LENR to begin.  A solar assisted house
with a diesel generator to provide both supplemental electricity and the
heat needed in the house (for cooler climes) is probably already on the
threshold of competing with grid power for the same application.

This has happened to the wireline telephone company - people have gone
completely wireless and eliminated the wireline service altogether.  It is
also happening to the cable companies as more and more people are starting
to get their entertainment from the internet.  The power company is in the
beginnings of a death spiral and it is not going to be pretty, particularly
for the consumers that cannot afford to migrate to new energy technologies.

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

> It's not that sorry.  The problem is poor people in apartments bear the
> brunt of increased utility prices.  Yay for rich people and their solar
> installations though, I guess.
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Bob Higgins 
> wrote:
>
>> There is a residential solar power war going on now (see Scientific
>> American issue 11/2014) between homeowners having rooftop solar panels and
>> the power companies.  The power companies believe they have a right to
>> supply all of your power and are charging additional fees if you have
>> panels on your roof.  The argument is that the homeowners with solar panels
>> are not buying enough electricity to pay for his portion of the electrical
>> infrastructure.  Even though the power company charges a fixed fee
>> historically plus a charge per kWH, they make most of their profit on the
>> amount of electricity (the kWH) you use because they charge you a retail
>> price which is about twice as much as their wholesale price to produce that
>> energy or buy it.  So the new added fee is for not using enough electricity
>> to pay the profit they need from each individual to pay for their
>> infrastructure.
>>
>> The power company leaders are meeting in secret together to create
>> strategies to keep sucking what they believe is their fair share of money
>> from everyone who has alternative power but is still connected to the
>> grid.  It is a sorry situation for getting the US into use of a significant
>> fraction of alternative energy.
>>
>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Eric Walker 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <
>>> blazespinna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Fortunately, looks like LENR may not be needed to rescue the planet

 http://www.keith.seas.harvard.edu/blog-1/cheapsolarpower

>>>
>>> Indeed.  If solar power will help humanity to squeak by, and LENR will
>>> allow it to build out all kinds of military capabilities, solar power may
>>> end up saving humanity where LENR would doom it.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

[Blaze Spinnaker]

It's not that sorry.  The problem is poor people in apartments bear the
brunt of increased utility prices.  Yay for rich people and their solar
installations though, I guess.

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Bob Higgins 
wrote:

> There is a residential solar power war going on now (see Scientific
> American issue 11/2014) between homeowners having rooftop solar panels and
> the power companies.  The power companies believe they have a right to
> supply all of your power and are charging additional fees if you have
> panels on your roof.  The argument is that the homeowners with solar panels
> are not buying enough electricity to pay for his portion of the electrical
> infrastructure.  Even though the power company charges a fixed fee
> historically plus a charge per kWH, they make most of their profit on the
> amount of electricity (the kWH) you use because they charge you a retail
> price which is about twice as much as their wholesale price to produce that
> energy or buy it.  So the new added fee is for not using enough electricity
> to pay the profit they need from each individual to pay for their
> infrastructure.
>
> The power company leaders are meeting in secret together to create
> strategies to keep sucking what they believe is their fair share of money
> from everyone who has alternative power but is still connected to the
> grid.  It is a sorry situation for getting the US into use of a significant
> fraction of alternative energy.
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Blaze Spinnaker > > wrote:
>>
>> Fortunately, looks like LENR may not be needed to rescue the planet
>>>
>>> http://www.keith.seas.harvard.edu/blog-1/cheapsolarpower
>>>
>>
>> Indeed.  If solar power will help humanity to squeak by, and LENR will
>> allow it to build out all kinds of military capabilities, solar power may
>> end up saving humanity where LENR would doom it.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

[Bob Higgins]

There is a residential solar power war going on now (see Scientific
American issue 11/2014) between homeowners having rooftop solar panels and
the power companies.  The power companies believe they have a right to
supply all of your power and are charging additional fees if you have
panels on your roof.  The argument is that the homeowners with solar panels
are not buying enough electricity to pay for his portion of the electrical
infrastructure.  Even though the power company charges a fixed fee
historically plus a charge per kWH, they make most of their profit on the
amount of electricity (the kWH) you use because they charge you a retail
price which is about twice as much as their wholesale price to produce that
energy or buy it.  So the new added fee is for not using enough electricity
to pay the profit they need from each individual to pay for their
infrastructure.

The power company leaders are meeting in secret together to create
strategies to keep sucking what they believe is their fair share of money
from everyone who has alternative power but is still connected to the
grid.  It is a sorry situation for getting the US into use of a significant
fraction of alternative energy.

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
> wrote:
>
> Fortunately, looks like LENR may not be needed to rescue the planet
>>
>> http://www.keith.seas.harvard.edu/blog-1/cheapsolarpower
>>
>
> Indeed.  If solar power will help humanity to squeak by, and LENR will
> allow it to build out all kinds of military capabilities, solar power may
> end up saving humanity where LENR would doom it.
>
> Eric
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

[Eric Walker]

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

Fortunately, looks like LENR may not be needed to rescue the planet
>
> http://www.keith.seas.harvard.edu/blog-1/cheapsolarpower
>

Indeed.  If solar power will help humanity to squeak by, and LENR will
allow it to build out all kinds of military capabilities, solar power may
end up saving humanity where LENR would doom it.

Eric

[Vo]:Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Fortunately, looks like LENR may not be needed to rescue the planet

http://www.keith.seas.harvard.edu/blog-1/cheapsolarpower

[Vo]:Some similarity between the Babel Tower and LENR e.g. Theories?

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/05/may-04-2016-is-there-some-similarity.html

it was an inevitable idea.

Peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:Article: Hints of a New Particle Could Completely Change Physics as We Know It

[Jack Cole]

A fluctuation in the data from the world's most powerful particle smasher
could be a random blip — or a breakthrough that could turn all of physics
on its head. The problem is, we don't which it …

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Re: [Vo]:Proposed Satellite Meeting to the 43rd EPS Meeting on Plasma Physics on LENR

[Stephen Cooke]

Great looks like a promising meeting. I hope it gets positive attention, I feel 
maybe the time is right but we will see.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 04 May 2016, at 15:30, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
> 
> See:
> 
> https://kuleuvencongres.be/eps2016/scientific-program/satellite_meeting

[Vo]:Proposed Satellite Meeting to the 43rd EPS Meeting on Plasma Physics on LENR

[Jed Rothwell]

See:

https://kuleuvencongres.be/eps2016/scientific-program/satellite_meeting