Re: [Vo]:Watch a Powerful Electromagnet Shrink a Quarter to Half Its Size

[Bob Higgins]

I don't think so.  Electric fencers are relatively high voltage at 10Hz
AC.  They are limited to very low current so you don't kill what touches
it.  The 10Hz AC is very painful.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> I thought this was very interesting.  I wonder what would happen to a
> loaded electrolytic cathode or TiH2.
>
> "Shrinking a quarter down to half its size sounds like a magic trick, but
> there’s nothing magic about this experiment highlighted by Physics Girl
>  Dianna Cowern.
> In the video above spotted by Nerdist
> ,
> she explains the remarkable physics at play when a coin is at the center of
> a powerful electromagnet.
>
> The rig featured in the demonstration is powered by a 160-pound capacitor
> capable of charging up to 8000 volts. For a little perspective, that’s
> similar to the amount of power delivered by some electric fences
> . "
>
>
> http://mentalfloss.com/article/83302/watch-powerful-electromagnet-shrink-quarter-half-its-size
>
>
>

[Vo]:Watch a Powerful Electromagnet Shrink a Quarter to Half Its Size

[Jack Cole]

I thought this was very interesting.  I wonder what would happen to a
loaded electrolytic cathode or TiH2.

"Shrinking a quarter down to half its size sounds like a magic trick, but
there’s nothing magic about this experiment highlighted by Physics Girl
 Dianna Cowern.
In the video above spotted by Nerdist
,
she explains the remarkable physics at play when a coin is at the center of
a powerful electromagnet.

The rig featured in the demonstration is powered by a 160-pound capacitor
capable of charging up to 8000 volts. For a little perspective, that’s
similar to the amount of power delivered by some electric fences
. "

http://mentalfloss.com/article/83302/watch-powerful-electromagnet-shrink-quarter-half-its-size

Re: [Vo]:Article: The Air Conditioner That Makes Electricity

[Jed Rothwell]

That's interesting! It is sort of complicated, like Rube Goldberg machine.
But so is a hybrid automobile. Sometimes complicated things work.

- Jed

[Vo]:Article: The Air Conditioner That Makes Electricity

[Jack Cole]

The Air Conditioner That Makes Electricity

http://flip.it/mo_1Q

Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy

[mixent]

In reply to  David Roberson's message of Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:55:46 -0400:
Hi Dave,

Yes, I should have explicitly added that this is only valid where the separation
distance is <= the wavelength. Note however that because protons are massive
relative to electrons, and because the Earth's magnetic field isn't very strong,
the cyclotron frequency for some protons in the lower belt implies a wavelength
that is roughly equal to the altitude.

>Robin,
>
>It is my experience that the coupling falls off as 1/r to the third power at 
>large distances.
>
>Dave
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: mixent 
>To: vortex-l 
>Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 12:04 am
>Subject: Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy
>>For example in my past self resonant coil experiments very efficient energy 
>>transfer between two air coils at a distance does not fit to magnetic 
>>coupling 
>>working for transformers, nor to standard electromagnetic wave transmission 
>>despite of presence of substantial electric and magnetic fields. These fields 
>>are now known   as evanescent waves. May the coupling through evanescent 
>>waves 
>>have a similarity with the handshake described on this paper. 
>>OTH, I think self resonant coils (Tesla coils) could not be substituted by a 
>>LC 
>>tank. Coils can resonate in multiple frequencies at the same time and may 
>>cause 
>>some odd effects depending to waveshape and to geometry.
>>BTW, Imrecons appears specialized in computer tomography.
>>http://arxiv.org/abs/1606.08710
>
>It is also well known that the energy transfer between resonant air coils drops
>off as 1/R rather than 1/R^2. That's why I think it's possible that many so
>called free energy experiments actually make use of resonance with the protons
>in the inner Van Allen belt. The resonance wavelength may be about the same as
>the altitude of the inner Van Allen belt for some protons.
>Regards,
>
>Robin van Spaandonk
>
>http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy

[Bob Cook]

For what it’s worth, my recollection is that the 1/r loss applies to an 
infinite linear antenna.  Thus it’s only an approximation for a real antenna.

As for evanescent waves, I have not seen a measurement of their speed of 
initiation relative
to the distance to the source that generates them.  Are the evanescent fields 
established instantly as part of an entangled (coherent) system?

They may be involved in coupling spin/angular momentum quanta exchange between 
orbital electrons and
nuclear entities.  The local B field in that it modifies the entangled energy 
states may be the mouse in the Rossi effect to produce necessary resonances to 
allow reaction to proceed or to stop reactions by eliminating resonant 
conditions.

Bob Cook





Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Bob Higgins
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:28 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy

I may be remembering wrong, but I believe that the evanescent magnetic
field strength falls off as 1/r^3 and the coupled evanescent power falls
off as 1/r^6.  For the propagating field, the strength of the magnetic
field falls off as 1/r in free space and the coupled power falls off as
1/r^2.  In cluttered environments, the propagating field falls off more
quickly.  The insertion loss of the coils is proportional to the loaded Q
to unloaded Q ratio.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 8:55 AM, David Roberson  wrote:

> Robin,
>
> It is my experience that the coupling falls off as 1/r to the third power
> at large distances.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mixent 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 12:04 am
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy
> >For example in my past self resonant coil experiments very efficient
> energy
> >transfer between two air coils at a distance does not fit to magnetic
> coupling
> >working for transformers, nor to standard electromagnetic wave
> transmission
> >despite of presence of substantial electric and magnetic fields. These
> fields
> >are now known as evanescent waves. May the coupling through evanescent
> waves
> >have a similarity with the handshake described on this paper.
> >OTH, I think self resonant coils (Tesla coils) could not be substituted
> by a LC
> >tank. Coils can resonate in multiple frequencies at the same time and may
> cause
> >some odd effects depending to waveshape and to geometry.
> >BTW, Imrecons appears specialized in computer tomography.
> >http://arxiv.org/abs/1606.08710
>
> It is also well known that the energy transfer between resonant air coils
> drops
> off as 1/R rather than 1/R^2. That's why I think it's possible that many so
> called free energy experiments actually make use of resonance with the
> protons
> in the inner Van Allen belt. The resonance wavelength may be about the
> same as
> the altitude of the inner Van Allen belt for some protons.
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

[Vo]:LENR AND MUCH ENVY

[Peter Gluck]

too much envy in LENR land..
.
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/07/jul-20-2016-lenr-and-much-envy.html

Peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy

[Bob Higgins]

I may be remembering wrong, but I believe that the evanescent magnetic
field strength falls off as 1/r^3 and the coupled evanescent power falls
off as 1/r^6.  For the propagating field, the strength of the magnetic
field falls off as 1/r in free space and the coupled power falls off as
1/r^2.  In cluttered environments, the propagating field falls off more
quickly.  The insertion loss of the coils is proportional to the loaded Q
to unloaded Q ratio.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 8:55 AM, David Roberson  wrote:

> Robin,
>
> It is my experience that the coupling falls off as 1/r to the third power
> at large distances.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mixent 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 12:04 am
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy
> >For example in my past self resonant coil experiments very efficient
> energy
> >transfer between two air coils at a distance does not fit to magnetic
> coupling
> >working for transformers, nor to standard electromagnetic wave
> transmission
> >despite of presence of substantial electric and magnetic fields. These
> fields
> >are now known as evanescent waves. May the coupling through evanescent
> waves
> >have a similarity with the handshake described on this paper.
> >OTH, I think self resonant coils (Tesla coils) could not be substituted
> by a LC
> >tank. Coils can resonate in multiple frequencies at the same time and may
> cause
> >some odd effects depending to waveshape and to geometry.
> >BTW, Imrecons appears specialized in computer tomography.
> >http://arxiv.org/abs/1606.08710
>
> It is also well known that the energy transfer between resonant air coils
> drops
> off as 1/R rather than 1/R^2. That's why I think it's possible that many so
> called free energy experiments actually make use of resonance with the
> protons
> in the inner Van Allen belt. The resonance wavelength may be about the
> same as
> the altitude of the inner Van Allen belt for some protons.
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy

[Frank Znidarsic]

That is correct.  It even goes to 1/4th power at longer distances.  The coil 
are separated on air core RF transformers to increase the Q of the coils.  This 
leads to better selectivity/ tuning.  The coupling does go down.



-Original Message-
From: David Roberson 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 10:55 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy


Robin,

It is my experience that the coupling falls off as 1/r to the third power at 
large distances.

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: mixent 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 12:04 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy
>For example in my past self resonant coil experiments very efficient energy 
>transfer between two air coils at a distance does not fit to magnetic coupling 
>working for transformers, nor to standard electromagnetic wave transmission 
>despite of presence of substantial electric and magnetic fields. These fields 
>are now known   as evanescent waves. May the coupling through evanescent waves 
>have a similarity with the handshake described on this paper. 
>OTH, I think self resonant coils (Tesla coils) could not be substituted by a 
>LC 
>tank. Coils can resonate in multiple frequencies at the same time and may 
>cause 
>some odd effects depending to waveshape and to geometry.
>BTW, Imrecons appears specialized in computer tomography.
>http://arxiv.org/abs/1606.08710

It is also well known that the energy transfer between resonant air coils drops
off as 1/R rather than 1/R^2. That's why I think it's possible that many so
called free energy experiments actually make use of resonance with the protons
in the inner Van Allen belt. The resonance wavelength may be about the same as
the altitude of the inner Van Allen belt for some protons.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy

[David Roberson]

Robin,

It is my experience that the coupling falls off as 1/r to the third power at 
large distances.

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: mixent 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 12:04 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy
>For example in my past self resonant coil experiments very efficient energy 
>transfer between two air coils at a distance does not fit to magnetic coupling 
>working for transformers, nor to standard electromagnetic wave transmission 
>despite of presence of substantial electric and magnetic fields. These fields 
>are now known   as evanescent waves. May the coupling through evanescent waves 
>have a similarity with the handshake described on this paper. 
>OTH, I think self resonant coils (Tesla coils) could not be substituted by a 
>LC 
>tank. Coils can resonate in multiple frequencies at the same time and may 
>cause 
>some odd effects depending to waveshape and to geometry.
>BTW, Imrecons appears specialized in computer tomography.
>http://arxiv.org/abs/1606.08710

It is also well known that the energy transfer between resonant air coils drops
off as 1/R rather than 1/R^2. That's why I think it's possible that many so
called free energy experiments actually make use of resonance with the protons
in the inner Van Allen belt. The resonance wavelength may be about the same as
the altitude of the inner Van Allen belt for some protons.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html