Re: [Vo]:Li batteries

[Axil Axil]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/tech/new-damage-proof-battery-has-higher-energy-density-wont-explode/

A safe battery.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 9:16 PM,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I recently saw a sticker on an envelope that said "road transport only, do
> not
> send by air", and it occurred to me that the item in question probably
> contained
> Li batteries. I wonder why it's safe to transport Li batteries by road,
> but not
> by air?
> Also most of the Li battery failures I have heard of have been in
> aircraft. If
> that's the case, then perhaps the higher level of cosmic radiation at
> altitude
> is the immediate cause of failure of Li batteries transported by air??
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

[Axil Axil]

The Manelas device and the Sweet system seem to be two different systems.
The Sweet system can produce 500 watts of power whereas the Manelas device
can only manage 60 watts. The Sweet system is driven by a 60 cycle sine
wave a and the Manelas device is driven by a high frequency square wave. It
looks like the Manelas device was.was not conditioned to resonant with the
driving input current and the Sweet device was.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 2:30 PM,  wrote:

> Here is a reflection on the history of the Manelas device.
>
>
>
> The following link is my source:
>
>
>
> http://atlantisrisingmagazine.com/article/tiny-tornadoes-of-
> magnetism-keys-to-free-energy/
>
>
>
>
>
> This history smacks of a dark (classified) program established in the
> 60’s  regarding the strontium ferrite technology.  The are some 5400 dark
> programs active today in this country alone with only a hand full that have
> been allowed to see the light as time goes by.
>
>
>
> A patent may have been issued to Sweet and GE and it was classified.  The
> patent ran out and nobody did any further work on the technology, except
> Sweet  and Manelas.  The Sweet helper in the West after Sweet’s retirement
> may have had other motives other than helping Sweet.  The above historical
> item makes that point.
>
>
>
> Then another “helper” from back east arrived at Sweet’s place and Sweet
> was more accepting, if not scared as well.
>
>
>
> It seems that Sweet and Manelas were close technically with some common
> experiences.  Sweet was threatened but Manelas was over looked, probably
> because he was reasonably discrete about what he was doing and may not have
> been covered by the dark program order.
>
>
>
> I have had first hand experience with people that have been threatened
> regarding technical issues.  Fear is a powerful motivator to both action
> and inaction.  The Sweet and Manelas reactions are common.
>
>
>
> GE had no incentive to make good on the old technology, since it
> threatened more competition and loss of a lucrative product—wind turbans
> and other power production lines.  (This is similar to the fate of LENR
> over the last 27 years.)
>
>
>
> Bob cook
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Chris Zell 
> *Sent: *Monday, February 13, 2017 9:12 AM
> *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com
>
> *Subject: *RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE
>
>
>
> The description of the Manelas device is extremely similar to the Sweet
> device.   And like that device, there seems to be a mystery about how an
> oddly magnetized slab worked – or how it was created. In Sweet’s case, it
> was barium ferrite, I recall.
>
>
>
> *From:* bobcook39...@gmail.com [mailto:bobcook39...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2017 12:07 PM
> *To:* Axil Axil ; vortex-l 
> *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE
>
>
>
> Brian—
>
>
>
> The cooling effect is unexpected.  It seems that it may be a reversal of
> the 2nd Law of T/D—a decrease in entropy instead of an increase.
>
>
>
> Do you know what the thermal conductivity is?  I would guess it may be
> very low, similar to the electrical conductivity.
>
>
>
> Also is there an open circuit voltage produced?  I so where are the
>  electrodes attached—positive and negative?
>
>
>
> It may be that the differential magnetic field inside to the outside acts
> to change the ordering and the entropy accordingly—inside to the surface.
> The magnetic field may cause in effect a phase change—a change to more
> order.  It may happen only at a certain magnetic strength—B field that is.
> And there may be a coupling to the Earth’s magnetic field for extraction of
> energy,  consistent with energy conservation.
>
>
>
> The differential temperature—inside to outside at the surface---maybe a
> thermal magnetic voltage source analogous to the well known thermal
> electric effect.
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
> *From: *Axil Axil 
> *Sent: *Sunday, February 12, 2017 5:20 PM
> *To: *vortex-l 
> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE
>
>
>
> More...
>
>
>
> The Mandela bullot is flat and square with a large surface area. This flat
> topology with a large surface area might permit a maximum of magnetic
> dipoles to form on the surface of the Mandela bullot. I would like to know
> what type of gas filled the black box...is it protium or deuterium or air?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> The Manelas Device functional diagram
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
> It might be that the pulsed current of the 137 kilohertz square wave input
> current produces a magnetic dipole with a large instantaneous power factor
> because the current is produced by a square wave like the Brillouin method.
> The 24 volt constant 

RE: [Vo]:Li batteries

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Just a guess Robin, but one can stop a 60mph car/truck and get out of harm's
way a bit faster than an airplane going 500+mph at 3 ft!
:-)
And the heat burning thru the skin of the vehicle. They now have specialized
containers on aircraft which will withstand the heat from failing Li
battery...
-mark


-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 6:17 PM
To: VORTEX
Subject: [Vo]:Li batteries

Hi,

I recently saw a sticker on an envelope that said "road transport only, do
not send by air", and it occurred to me that the item in question probably
contained Li batteries. I wonder why it's safe to transport Li batteries by
road, but not by air? 
Also most of the Li battery failures I have heard of have been in aircraft.
If that's the case, then perhaps the higher level of cosmic radiation at
altitude is the immediate cause of failure of Li batteries transported by
air??

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:the DeJAvu enclave

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2017/02/feb-13-2017-lenr-opposed-to-rossi.html

peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

[bobcook39923]

Here is a reflection on the history of the Manelas device.

The following link is my source:

http://atlantisrisingmagazine.com/article/tiny-tornadoes-of-magnetism-keys-to-free-energy/


This history smacks of a dark (classified) program established in the 60’s  
regarding the strontium ferrite technology.  The are some 5400 dark programs 
active today in this country alone with only a hand full that have been allowed 
to see the light as time goes by.

A patent may have been issued to Sweet and GE and it was classified.  The 
patent ran out and nobody did any further work on the technology, except Sweet  
and Manelas.  The Sweet helper in the West after Sweet’s retirement may have 
had other motives other than helping Sweet.  The above historical item makes 
that point.  

Then another “helper” from back east arrived at Sweet’s place and Sweet was 
more accepting, if not scared as well.

It seems that Sweet and Manelas were close technically with some common 
experiences.  Sweet was threatened but Manelas was over looked, probably 
because he was reasonably discrete about what he was doing and may not have 
been covered by the dark program order.  

I have had first hand experience with people that have been threatened 
regarding technical issues.  Fear is a powerful motivator to both action and 
inaction.  The Sweet and Manelas reactions are common.

GE had no incentive to make good on the old technology, since it threatened 
more competition and loss of a lucrative product—wind turbans and other power 
production lines.  (This is similar to the fate of LENR over the last 27 years.)

Bob cook











From: Chris Zell
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 9:12 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

The description of the Manelas device is extremely similar to the Sweet device. 
  And like that device, there seems to be a mystery about how an oddly 
magnetized slab worked – or how it was created. In Sweet’s case, it was barium 
ferrite, I recall.

From: bobcook39...@gmail.com [mailto:bobcook39...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 12:07 PM
To: Axil Axil ; vortex-l 
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

Brian—

The cooling effect is unexpected.  It seems that it may be a reversal of the 
2nd Law of T/D—a decrease in entropy instead of an increase.  

Do you know what the thermal conductivity is?  I would guess it may be very 
low, similar to the electrical conductivity.  

Also is there an open circuit voltage produced?  I so where are the  electrodes 
attached—positive and negative?  

It may be that the differential magnetic field inside to the outside acts to 
change the ordering and the entropy accordingly—inside to the surface.  The 
magnetic field may cause in effect a phase change—a change to more order.  It 
may happen only at a certain magnetic strength—B field that is.  And there may 
be a coupling to the Earth’s magnetic field for extraction of energy,  
consistent with energy conservation.

The differential temperature—inside to outside at the surface---maybe a thermal 
magnetic voltage source analogous to the well known thermal electric effect.  

Bob Cook

From: Axil Axil
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 5:20 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

More...

The Mandela bullot is flat and square with a large surface area. This flat 
topology with a large surface area might permit a maximum of magnetic dipoles 
to form on the surface of the Mandela bullot. I would like to know what type of 
gas filled the black box...is it protium or deuterium or air?

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

The Manelas Device functional diagram



On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
It might be that the pulsed current of the 137 kilohertz square wave input 
current produces a magnetic dipole with a large instantaneous power factor 
because the current is produced by a square wave like the Brillouin method. The 
24 volt constant current also produces heat and the strontium ferrite magnet is 
heat resistant. The maximum operating temperature of the magnet is 250C and the 
Curie temperature is 450C, With that high temperature operating capacity, 
coherent magnetically based Surface plasmon polaritons may form under the 
influence of the magnetic dipole motion that localize around the magnetic field 
lines as heat photons become entangled with electrons dipoles.

If these magnetic polaritons become coherent, these polaritons may produce 
enough magnetic power to destabilize the nuclei of the gas above the surface of 
the magnet inside the Mandela's Device black box.   

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Brian Ahern  wrote:
The Manelas billet is strontium ferrite and is very high electrical 
resistivity. This eliminates eddy currents as a loss mechanism


From: Axil 

Re: [Vo]:Li batteries

[Bob Higgins]

As I understand the problem, the large note 7 had a large display and
needed a lot of battery energy.  Yet, everybody wants a slim phone.  The
Li-ion battery they designed had internal separators that were too thin.
When the battery ages, it swells, even though it hasn't lost capacity.  The
case pushes back on the swollen battery pack and in the case of the note 7
the separator punctured and allowed the cell to short out.  When the cell
shorts, a tremendous current flows causing localized heating that melts the
plastic pouch and exposes the Li compound to air where it starts fire.

There is no need to invoke LENR to explain the problem.  In fact, there are
plenty of Li batteries with more Li inside that never experience this
problem.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 7:46 PM, John Berry  wrote:

> The Samsung Galaxy has a serious battery fire issue.
>
> I don't think it is that size has a huge impact on the probability other
> than maybe scaling linearly obviously, but that it has a huge impact on the
> seriousness of a problem.
>
> John
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> Millions of air passengers carry their cell phones onboard. Cell phones
>> have lithium batteries, yet you don't hear about them being a problem. It
>> would be interesting to know if there is a correlation between the size of
>> the battery and the failure rate when airborne.
>>
>>
>> mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I recently saw a sticker on an envelope that said "road transport only,
>>> do not
>>> send by air", and it occurred to me that the item in question probably
>>> contained
>>> Li batteries. I wonder why it's safe to transport Li batteries by road,
>>> but not
>>> by air?
>>> Also most of the Li battery failures I have heard of have been in
>>> aircraft. If
>>> that's the case, then perhaps the higher level of cosmic radiation at
>>> altitude
>>> is the immediate cause of failure of Li batteries transported by air??
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>>
>>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

[Vo]:Dark matter hydrogen - a hybrid approach

[Jones Beene]

There seems to be a kernel of truth in most of the dense-hydrogen 
theories of the last 25 years, but the details are different. Perhaps it 
is useful to cherry-pick the juiciest fruit and come up with a more 
accurate hybrid to align the experiments to the theory.


If the Thermacore runaway reaction is replicated later this month, then 
one immediate goal is to explain the excess heat ... where a large mass 
of nickel (2000 grams or more) in the presence of hydrogen is raised to 
a trigger temperature, at which point the heat becomes self-sustaining 
and increasing until the nickel sinters and melts (without oxidizing) -- 
in the process destroying the reactor but without explosion or residual 
radioactivity.


Useful theories which are presently floating around are from Mills 
(hydrino) Holmlid (UDH) Mayer (quatrino) Meulenberg et al (DDL, 
femtohydrogen) Wigner (metallic hydrogen, 1936) Arata/Zhang 
(pycnohydrogen) Miley (IRH, inverted Rydberg hydrogen) Lawandy (unnamed 
2D cluster) Heffner (deflated hydrogen) and others. None of these seems 
to stands on its own, but all are intuitive.


The common feature of these theories is the densification of hydrogen 
due to electron dissociation or ground state redundancy. The hydrogen's 
electron can become almost stationary or "deflated," retaining charge 
but giving up some or all of its angular momentum, which is independent 
of the nucleus. One detail of Mayer's theory, not previously mentioned, 
seems to be a tie-in to Horace Heffner's various "deflated" fusion 
concepts, except for the geometric scale. Horace suggests nuclear 
fusion, but in the Thermacore runaway there is apparently no indication 
of fusion. Also the active geometric scale of Mayer is larger than 
Heffner and Holmlid (Compton scale instead of femtoscale).


Mayer's deflated and nearly static electrons serve the function of 
electrostatic charge to bind two protons, along with their own magnetic 
dipole self attraction - resulting in a quatrino with 25 keV binding 
energy. Importantly, this particle is bosonic. Clusters of these 
quatrinos may act collectively as a PPP (phonon-plasmon-polariton) at 
elevated temperature where IR glow becomes the most obvious feature.


The possibility of electromagnetic bound states in which the magnetic 
and electric forces are equal and counterbalancing - has been suggested 
before but Mayer frames it nicely. In this example, the electrostatic 
force between two electrons e2=r2 is comparable with the dipole-dipole 
magnetic force 2e=r4 at a distance r*com, where com is the electron 
Compton wavelength, about 2.4 picometers. Thus the active particle 
(quatrino) of Meyer is about 40 times less diameter or 64000 time 
"denser" (mass/volume) than ground state Bohr atom, but this turns out 
to be large, compared to Holmlid, for instance which is more dense. 
Mayer seems to provide a better fit than the others to experimental 
data. Mills posits 137 progressive steps instead of the single drop but 
there is no convincing evidence of this.


Several of the dense bound states involving leptons are found as 
solutions to the Dirac equation but most of Mills steps are not. The 
approach of Meulenberg is similar, but differs greatly in the details. 
The bottom line is that we do not need to ditch QM like Mills does - and 
in fact we need to embrace it, in order to explain the non-nuclear gain 
using QM entanglement of the PPP which is the active particulate.


All of the approaches above eventually result in a conversion of 
hydrogen into dense dark matter with energy gain. As a quatrino, the 
binding energy of ~25 keV is given up as heat during formation, but in 
practice, much or all of it has been "borrowed" to accomplish the 
reduced state. To explain the excess heat of the runaway, we need to 
invoke quantum entanglement, which benefits from a pre-embedded 
population of PPP dark matter.


This population of pre-embedded dark matter can come from nickel which 
was refined using the Sherritt Gordon process or it can come from 
extended pre-processing. When new hydrogen is admitted to the reactor 
and heated, the already present population of dark matter - which can be 
present in the range of 10 ppm, influences and catalyzes the 
densification of new hydrogen with a larger part of the 25 keV mass 
energy being surplus heat.


Curiously, the runaway reaction seems to be both non-nuclear and 
non-chemical. But it can be defined is an enhanced kind of non-valence 
chemistry - to the extent it involves energy depleted from electron 
angular momentum (as with Mills theory) ... but the gain per particle is 
far greater than traditional chemical, especially when electrons become 
completely deflated. The process can be called "supra-chemical" to 
differentiate from classical-chemical.


" Recomobination of hydrogen from the metallic state would release 216 
megajoules per kilogram; TNT only releases 4.2 megajoules per kilo"


Read more at: 

Re: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

[Axil Axil]

It sounds like magnetic refrigeration is occurring. When the square wave
begins, a large increase in the surface current on the magnetic bullet will
be produced. This surface current produces an increase in the strength of
the magnetic field lines on the surface of the magnetic bullet as magnetic
dipoles form around the magnetic field lines of the ferrite magnet.  This
produces a rapidly rising heat pulse. The magnetic dipoles become entangled
with these new heat photons and this creation of polaritons produces a
strong greatly amplified magnetic field along the existing magnetic field
lines of the magnetic bullet.

This very strong magnetic field produces nucleon decay that results in
mostly mesons but with very little heat production, The mesons will
eventually decay into muons then electrons but most of the muons will
escape the black box.

The collapse of the magnetic dipoles will occur after the current has
stopped increasing  and eventually falls at the end of the square wave.
This will produce a magnetic cooling effect as the magnetic dipole
coherence collapses since heat energy has been converted to magnetic
energy.

There must be a huge amount of muons produced per second to generate 60
watts of electrons. Most of the muons will escape the black box. If this
speculation is true, then the lead in the lead battery nearby should
generate a large amount of muon based fission.



On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 6:27 AM, Brian Ahern  wrote:

> The Billet is 1" x 4" x 6" and has four North poles at the corner and a
> South pole in the center. The most important physics is the 5C cooling when
> the deice was otputting 60 watts into the 300 pound battery pack. I do not
> understand how this MAGNETOCLORIC event happens.
>
>
> --
> *From:* Axil Axil 
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 12, 2017 8:20 PM
> *To:* vortex-l
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE
>
> More...
>
> The Mandela bullot is flat and square with a large surface area. This flat
> topology with a large surface area might permit a maximum of magnetic
> dipoles to form on the surface of the Mandela bullot. I would like to know
> what type of gas filled the black box...is it protium or deuterium or air?
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>> The Manelas Device functional diagram
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>>> It might be that the pulsed current of the 137 kilohertz square wave
>>> input current produces a magnetic dipole with a large instantaneous power
>>> factor because the current is produced by a square wave like the Brillouin
>>> method. The 24 volt constant current also produces heat and the strontium
>>> ferrite magnet is heat resistant. The maximum operating temperature of the
>>> magnet is 250C and the Curie temperature is 450C, With that high
>>> temperature operating capacity, coherent magnetically based Surface plasmon
>>> polaritons may form under the influence of the magnetic dipole motion that
>>> localize around the magnetic field lines as heat photons become entangled
>>> with electrons dipoles.
>>>
>>> If these magnetic polaritons become coherent, these polaritons may
>>> produce enough magnetic power to destabilize the nuclei of the gas above
>>> the surface of the magnet inside the Mandela's Device black box.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Brian Ahern 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The Manelas billet is strontium ferrite and is very high electrical
 resistivity. This eliminates eddy currents as a loss mechanism


 --
 *From:* Axil Axil 
 *Sent:* Sunday, February 12, 2017 6:18 PM
 *To:* vortex-l
 *Subject:* [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

 Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE


 "Note my recent comment regarding the Manelas Device reflecting your
 notice about the discovery of time crystals. There may be a connection with
 the magnetic materials used in the device.

 Separately, I would note that the design of NAE’s may require a
 structure which allows high magnetic fields (10^12 –10^16 Tesla.)
 Structures that are 1 or 2 dimensional may be the key, with the 1-D NAE
 supporting LENR+, because it causes the reaction in a confined space and
 maintains the 1-D characteristic for repeated reactions upon arrival of
 reactants—H or D or Li or whatever."

 There is a branch of physics called "QCD in strong magnetic fields"
 that has conducted workshops on what a strong magnetic fields can do to a
 nucleus.

 http://homepages.uni-regensburg.de/~eng14891/qcdB_workshop/p
 rogram.shtml
 QCD in strong magnetic fields - uni-regensburg.de
 
 

RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

[Chris Zell]

The description of the Manelas device is extremely similar to the Sweet device. 
  And like that device, there seems to be a mystery about how an oddly 
magnetized slab worked – or how it was created. In Sweet’s case, it was barium 
ferrite, I recall.

From: bobcook39...@gmail.com [mailto:bobcook39...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 12:07 PM
To: Axil Axil ; vortex-l 
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

Brian—

The cooling effect is unexpected.  It seems that it may be a reversal of the 
2nd Law of T/D—a decrease in entropy instead of an increase.

Do you know what the thermal conductivity is?  I would guess it may be very 
low, similar to the electrical conductivity.

Also is there an open circuit voltage produced?  I so where are the  electrodes 
attached—positive and negative?

It may be that the differential magnetic field inside to the outside acts to 
change the ordering and the entropy accordingly—inside to the surface.  The 
magnetic field may cause in effect a phase change—a change to more order.  It 
may happen only at a certain magnetic strength—B field that is.  And there may 
be a coupling to the Earth’s magnetic field for extraction of energy,  
consistent with energy conservation.

The differential temperature—inside to outside at the surface---maybe a thermal 
magnetic voltage source analogous to the well known thermal electric effect.

Bob Cook

From: Axil Axil
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 5:20 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

More...

The Mandela bullot is flat and square with a large surface area. This flat 
topology with a large surface area might permit a maximum of magnetic dipoles 
to form on the surface of the Mandela bullot. I would like to know what type of 
gas filled the black box...is it protium or deuterium or air?

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Axil Axil 
> wrote:
[Inline image 1]
The Manelas Device functional diagram



On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Axil Axil 
> wrote:
It might be that the pulsed current of the 137 kilohertz square wave input 
current produces a magnetic dipole with a large instantaneous power factor 
because the current is produced by a square wave like the Brillouin method. The 
24 volt constant current also produces heat and the strontium ferrite magnet is 
heat resistant. The maximum operating temperature of the magnet is 250C and the 
Curie temperature is 450C, With that high temperature operating capacity, 
coherent magnetically based Surface plasmon polaritons may form under the 
influence of the magnetic dipole motion that localize around the magnetic field 
lines as heat photons become entangled with electrons dipoles.

If these magnetic polaritons become coherent, these polaritons may produce 
enough magnetic power to destabilize the nuclei of the gas above the surface of 
the magnet inside the Mandela's Device black box.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Brian Ahern 
> wrote:

The Manelas billet is strontium ferrite and is very high electrical 
resistivity. This eliminates eddy currents as a loss mechanism


From: Axil Axil >
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 6:18 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE


"Note my recent comment regarding the Manelas Device reflecting your notice 
about the discovery of time crystals. There may be a connection with the 
magnetic materials used in the device.

Separately, I would note that the design of NAE’s may require a structure which 
allows high magnetic fields (10^12 –10^16 Tesla.) Structures that are 1 or 2 
dimensional may be the key, with the 1-D NAE supporting LENR+, because it 
causes the reaction in a confined space and maintains the 1-D characteristic 
for repeated reactions upon arrival of reactants—H or D or Li or whatever."

There is a branch of physics called "QCD in strong magnetic fields" that has 
conducted workshops on what a strong magnetic fields can do to a nucleus.

http://homepages.uni-regensburg.de/~eng14891/qcdB_workshop/program.shtml
QCD in strong magnetic fields - 
uni-regensburg.de
homepages.uni-regensburg.de
Monday 12 November; 09:00 - 09:40: Berndt Müller: When QCD meets QED: 09:40 - 
10:20: Vladimir Skokov: Magnetic field in HIC and anisotropy of photon 
production




and also by another name "Workshop on Magnetic Fields in Hadron Physics"

http://www.ictp-saifr.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/all-abstracts_logo.pdf
Workshop on Magnetic Fields in Hadron Physics ICTP/SAIFR 

RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

[bobcook39923]

Brian—

The cooling effect is unexpected.  It seems that it may be a reversal of the 
2nd Law of T/D—a decrease in entropy instead of an increase.  

Do you know what the thermal conductivity is?  I would guess it may be very 
low, similar to the electrical conductivity.  

Also is there an open circuit voltage produced?  I so where are the  electrodes 
attached—positive and negative?  

It may be that the differential magnetic field inside to the outside acts to 
change the ordering and the entropy accordingly—inside to the surface.  The 
magnetic field may cause in effect a phase change—a change to more order.  It 
may happen only at a certain magnetic strength—B field that is.  And there may 
be a coupling to the Earth’s magnetic field for extraction of energy,  
consistent with energy conservation.

The differential temperature—inside to outside at the surface---maybe a thermal 
magnetic voltage source analogous to the well known thermal electric effect.  

Bob Cook

From: Axil Axil
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 5:20 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

More...

The Mandela bullot is flat and square with a large surface area. This flat 
topology with a large surface area might permit a maximum of magnetic dipoles 
to form on the surface of the Mandela bullot. I would like to know what type of 
gas filled the black box...is it protium or deuterium or air?

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

The Manelas Device functional diagram



On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
It might be that the pulsed current of the 137 kilohertz square wave input 
current produces a magnetic dipole with a large instantaneous power factor 
because the current is produced by a square wave like the Brillouin method. The 
24 volt constant current also produces heat and the strontium ferrite magnet is 
heat resistant. The maximum operating temperature of the magnet is 250C and the 
Curie temperature is 450C, With that high temperature operating capacity, 
coherent magnetically based Surface plasmon polaritons may form under the 
influence of the magnetic dipole motion that localize around the magnetic field 
lines as heat photons become entangled with electrons dipoles.

If these magnetic polaritons become coherent, these polaritons may produce 
enough magnetic power to destabilize the nuclei of the gas above the surface of 
the magnet inside the Mandela's Device black box.   

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Brian Ahern  wrote:
The Manelas billet is strontium ferrite and is very high electrical 
resistivity. This eliminates eddy currents as a loss mechanism


From: Axil Axil 
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 6:18 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE 
 
Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE


"Note my recent comment regarding the Manelas Device reflecting your notice 
about the discovery of time crystals. There may be a connection with the 
magnetic materials used in the device.

Separately, I would note that the design of NAE’s may require a structure which 
allows high magnetic fields (10^12 –10^16 Tesla.) Structures that are 1 or 2 
dimensional may be the key, with the 1-D NAE supporting LENR+, because it 
causes the reaction in a confined space and maintains the 1-D characteristic 
for repeated reactions upon arrival of reactants—H or D or Li or whatever."

There is a branch of physics called "QCD in strong magnetic fields" that has 
conducted workshops on what a strong magnetic fields can do to a nucleus.

http://homepages.uni-regensburg.de/~eng14891/qcdB_workshop/program.shtml 
QCD in strong magnetic fields - uni-regensburg.de
homepages.uni-regensburg.de
Monday 12 November; 09:00 - 09:40: Berndt Müller: When QCD meets QED: 09:40 - 
10:20: Vladimir Skokov: Magnetic field in HIC and anisotropy of photon 
production


and also by another name "Workshop on Magnetic Fields in Hadron Physics" 

http://www.ictp-saifr.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/all-abstracts_logo.pdf 
Workshop on Magnetic Fields in Hadron Physics ICTP/SAIFR ...
www.ictp-saifr.org
Workshop on Magnetic Fields in Hadron Physics . ICTP/SAIFR - São Paulo, BR . 
May 9 - 13, 2016 . List of Abstracts . MONDAY – May 9 . Uses and misuses of the 
NJL ...


One posit of this field is that in a magnetic field of (10^12 –10^16 Tesla.), 
Localization of (anti-)quark orbits by magnetic field enhances chiral symmetry 
breaking effect of attractive interactions.

See

http://homepages.uni-regensburg.de/~eng14891/qcdB_workshop/pdf/QCDB_Mueller.pdf

QCD in strong magnetic fields 

Charged vector mesons can condense in a superstrong magnetic field. This 
superstrong magnetic field can be considered a magnetic catalyst that produces 
charge parity violation thereby producing strange quarks and their mesons.

The question then becomes, can Surface plasmon polaritons(SPP) amplify 

Re: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

[David Roberson]

Brian,

I also find it quite interesting that the outside of the device cools down as 
electrical energy is extracted via coupling to its magnetic activity.  The very 
good news that I detect is that thermal energy actually appears to be absorbed 
and then converted into electrical energy.  This is, in a manner of speaking, 
similar to when a hot body cools off by emitting heat radiation, only the 
energy transfer in this case is via a magnetic coupling path.

I have a couple of questions.  Has a complete Mandela device been placed into a 
heat chamber in order to see whether or not it can handle a large temperature 
operating extreme?  If it only works over a tiny ambient range then the 
applications are rapidly limited.  Could this be why the automobile industry is 
not interested at this point?

Second, in the picture showing a pin levitated above the rectangle of ferrite 
is it safe to assume that the pin is magnetized?  I suspect that your 
indication that the center of the Billet has a south pole suggests this state.

Also, have you calculated the amount of heat energy being absorbed into the 
Billet during operation and found it to match the amount extracted as 
electrical energy?  Does 5C below ambient appearing upon the surface of the 
Billed result in 60 watts of heat flowomg into it?  I would consider this to be 
a key characteristic and strong evidence that the effect is real.

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Brian Ahern 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Mon, Feb 13, 2017 6:28 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE



The Billet is 1" x 4" x 6" and has four North poles at the corner and a South 
pole in the center. The most important physics is the 5C cooling when the deice 
was otputting 60 watts into the 300 pound battery pack. I do not understand how 
this MAGNETOCLORIC event happens.



From: Axil Axil 
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 8:20 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE
 

More...


The Mandela bullot is flat and square with a large surface area. This flat 
topology with a large surface area might permit a maximum of magnetic dipoles 
to form on the surface of the Mandela bullot. I would like to know what type of 
gas filled the black box...is it protium or deuterium or air?




On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:


The Manelas Device functional diagram









On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:


It might be that the pulsed current of the 137 kilohertz square wave input 
current produces a magnetic dipole with a large instantaneous power factor 
because the current is produced by a square wave like the Brillouin method. The 
24 volt constant current also produces heat and the strontium ferrite magnet is 
heat resistant. The maximum operating temperature of the magnet is 250C and the 
Curie temperature is 450C, With that high temperature operating capacity, 
coherent magnetically based Surface plasmon polaritons may form under the 
influence of the magnetic dipole motion that localize around the magnetic field 
lines as heat photons become entangled with electrons dipoles.

If these magnetic polaritons become coherent, these polaritons may produce 
enough magnetic power to destabilize the nuclei of the gas above the surface of 
the magnet inside the Mandela's Device black box.  




On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Brian Ahern  wrote:


The Manelas billet is strontium ferrite and is very high electrical 
resistivity. This eliminates eddy currents as a loss mechanism



From: Axil Axil 
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 6:18 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE
 

Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE


"Note my recent comment regarding the Manelas Device reflecting your notice 
about the discovery of time crystals. There may be a connection with the 
magnetic materials used in the device.

Separately, I would note that the design of NAE’s may require a structure which 
allows high magnetic fields (10^12 –10^16 Tesla.) Structures that are 1 or 2 
dimensional may be the key, with the 1-D NAE supporting LENR+, because it 
causes the reaction in a confined space and maintains the 1-D characteristic 
for repeated reactions upon arrival of reactants—H or D or Li or whatever."

There is a branch of physics called "QCD in strong magnetic fields" that has 
conducted workshops on what a strong magnetic fields can do to a nucleus.

http://homepages.uni-regensburg.de/~eng14891/qcdB_workshop/program.shtml




QCD in strong magnetic fields - uni-regensburg.de
homepages.uni-regensburg.de
Monday 12 November; 09:00 - 09:40: Berndt Müller: When QCD meets QED: 09:40 - 
10:20: Vladimir Skokov: Magnetic field in HIC and anisotropy of photon 
production





and also by another name "Workshop on Magnetic Fields in Hadron 

Re: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

[Brian Ahern]

The Billet is 1" x 4" x 6" and has four North poles at the corner and a South 
pole in the center. The most important physics is the 5C cooling when the deice 
was otputting 60 watts into the 300 pound battery pack. I do not understand how 
this MAGNETOCLORIC event happens.



From: Axil Axil 
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 8:20 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

More...

The Mandela bullot is flat and square with a large surface area. This flat 
topology with a large surface area might permit a maximum of magnetic dipoles 
to form on the surface of the Mandela bullot. I would like to know what type of 
gas filled the black box...is it protium or deuterium or air?

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Axil Axil 
> wrote:
[Inline image 1]
The Manelas Device functional diagram



On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Axil Axil 
> wrote:
It might be that the pulsed current of the 137 kilohertz square wave input 
current produces a magnetic dipole with a large instantaneous power factor 
because the current is produced by a square wave like the Brillouin method. The 
24 volt constant current also produces heat and the strontium ferrite magnet is 
heat resistant. The maximum operating temperature of the magnet is 250C and the 
Curie temperature is 450C, With that high temperature operating capacity, 
coherent magnetically based Surface plasmon polaritons may form under the 
influence of the magnetic dipole motion that localize around the magnetic field 
lines as heat photons become entangled with electrons dipoles.

If these magnetic polaritons become coherent, these polaritons may produce 
enough magnetic power to destabilize the nuclei of the gas above the surface of 
the magnet inside the Mandela's Device black box.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Brian Ahern 
> wrote:

The Manelas billet is strontium ferrite and is very high electrical 
resistivity. This eliminates eddy currents as a loss mechanism



From: Axil Axil >
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 6:18 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE


"Note my recent comment regarding the Manelas Device reflecting your notice 
about the discovery of time crystals. There may be a connection with the 
magnetic materials used in the device.

Separately, I would note that the design of NAE’s may require a structure which 
allows high magnetic fields (10^12 –10^16 Tesla.) Structures that are 1 or 2 
dimensional may be the key, with the 1-D NAE supporting LENR+, because it 
causes the reaction in a confined space and maintains the 1-D characteristic 
for repeated reactions upon arrival of reactants—H or D or Li or whatever."

There is a branch of physics called "QCD in strong magnetic fields" that has 
conducted workshops on what a strong magnetic fields can do to a nucleus.

http://homepages.uni-regensburg.de/~eng14891/qcdB_workshop/program.shtml
QCD in strong magnetic fields - 
uni-regensburg.de
homepages.uni-regensburg.de
Monday 12 November; 09:00 - 09:40: Berndt Müller: When QCD meets QED: 09:40 - 
10:20: Vladimir Skokov: Magnetic field in HIC and anisotropy of photon 
production




and also by another name "Workshop on Magnetic Fields in Hadron Physics"

http://www.ictp-saifr.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/all-abstracts_logo.pdf
Workshop on Magnetic Fields in Hadron Physics ICTP/SAIFR 
...
www.ictp-saifr.org
Workshop on Magnetic Fields in Hadron Physics . ICTP/SAIFR - São Paulo, BR . 
May 9 - 13, 2016 . List of Abstracts . MONDAY – May 9 . Uses and misuses of the 
NJL ...




One posit of this field is that in a magnetic field of (10^12 –10^16 Tesla.), 
Localization of (anti-)quark orbits by magnetic field enhances chiral symmetry 
breaking effect of attractive interactions.

See

http://homepages.uni-regensburg.de/~eng14891/qcdB_workshop/pdf/QCDB_Mueller.pdf

QCD in strong magnetic fields

Charged vector mesons can condense in a superstrong magnetic field. This 
superstrong magnetic field can be considered a magnetic catalyst that produces 
charge parity violation thereby producing strange quarks and their mesons.

The question then becomes, can Surface plasmon polaritons(SPP) amplify 
light/electron entanglement to the point where magnetism reaches very high 
strength, enough to produce a magnetic catalyst of mesons.

When it comes to bose condinsation through ultra dense hydrogen as a way to 
amplify SPPs through superradiance, what matters is the number of SPPs