Re: [Vo]:"Type A nickel" ?
On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 3:29 PM, wrote: Mills has previously obtained results with Molybdenum. If this is available > as a nano-powder off the shelf, it may prove interesting. > Alan G., I would also be interested in your taking a look at neodymium. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Rossi v. Darden
Ice Pick.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi v. Darden
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:32 AM, Lennart Thornros wrote: I personally believe that Rossi has at least ideas about how to make LENR > work, possibly he has a solution. Let him reveal that. He has promised > after the trial to show us. Rossi looks not as a fraudster to me. He act as > a passionate entrepreneur in my opinion. It is required to be an optimist > to get that kind of label. Sometimes the entrepreneurial spirit contains a > teaspoon of wishful thinking as you call it. It can be labeled vision also. > Whether most of the people here accept it or not, it's damned obvious that the intrusion of *capitalist relations* into scientific research is _exactly_ what has produced this whole mess -- and many, many others -- in the first place. And money-grubbing capitalist mischief-making ONLY enters into the equation at all, because scientific research *is* -- *personally* -- horrifically monetarily expensive. But: it does not HAVE to be, eh?
Re: [Vo]:Rossi v. Darden
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > It seems that Rossi has spent his adult life cultivating such people and > then stealing from them. Unfortunately, in the course of doing this, he may > have destroyed the last hope of funding for cold fusion. Unless the Texas > Tech project pans out, this time cold fusion may be gone for good. It will > be forgotten. > > - Jed > If cold fusion is objectively real -- it cannot *ever* be actually forgotten -- let alone _remain_ forgotten. Especially in this day and age of the Internet and mass communications.
Re: [Vo]:Jerry Decker
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > >> Several forums are reporting the death of Jerry Decker. >> >> He was among the first widely read bloggers/advocates/reporters of >> various "overunity" schemes including cold fusion. He was also a debunker >> of the more obvious frauds. >> >> His own forum Keelynet has not been updated with an obit, as of today >> > > His last tweet was June 10: > > https://twitter.com/zpeman > He apparently died on the 14th. Jeeze, I used to read his BBS in the pre-internet days of 1988.
Re: [Vo]:Jerry Decker
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > Several forums are reporting the death of Jerry Decker. > > He was among the first widely read bloggers/advocates/reporters of various > "overunity" schemes including cold fusion. He was also a debunker of the > more obvious frauds. > > His own forum Keelynet has not been updated with an obit, as of today > His last tweet was June 10: https://twitter.com/zpeman
Re: [Vo]:Rossi v. Darden
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: Comments get moved to another thread without notification. > When people such as yourself flood the forum with throwaway comments, we moderators would spam the place to give as many notifications. Had you known how things are done on LENR Forum, you would have known that throwaway comments with crass and insulting language get moved to a separate thread and know where to find them. We generally put a note at the bottom of a comment once it's been moved to let people know about this. You did not know that LENR Forum does this, because you dived right in with your throwaway insults rather than getting to know the place. > Commenters can get put "on probation" without notification. We put trolls and would-be brawlers on probation. You yourself are a moderator but it doesn't say that on your title. I gave my reasons for this in an earlier response to you, which you do not mention. I'll link to my reply: https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5271-clearance-items/?postID=62766#post62766 You allow insults from some people but not others in a one-sided fashion, > again without notification. It's invariably a judgment call. If there's either a substantive point that has been made, or the person is known to make good points and insult everyone equally and without an emotional charge, they're less likely to have a comment moved. If the insult is obviously charged and the comment brings no useful additional information, it's likely to be moved. We do not apply a rote formula. We apply judgment in an effort to raise the level of conversation. This weighs somewhat more heavily against posters who have little substantive to offer. That's just the nature of the situation. So those of us who would like to go over there will have to jump through > your unpublished moderation guidelines > in order to avoid "probation". > Or you could just lurk for awhile and see how things are done. It's a natural thing to do when coming to a new forum to try watch and observe and see how things are done. > There aren't that many rules over here on Vortex but even still, some of > your more vociferous and full-of-shit members over there have been banned > from Vortex, like MaryYugo. > Mary Yugo has always been controversial, but she almost invariably addresses matters of substance rather than intending to rile up other forum members and start a fight. She insults people, but her aim is not to start a brawl. She has brought up many good points about Rossi over the years, so she gets a little bit of latitude to be a character. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Jerry Decker
It's been such a shame to have lost John Bedini, Jerry Decker and so many others lately, including Joseph Newman and Paul Pantone. KeelyNET should be archived, as it had a LOT of information that was, sometimes, pretty well researched and at least pointed to finding more information about certain free energy claims. Yours, Esa MERLib On 30 June 2017 at 17:06, Jones Beene wrote: > Several forums are reporting the death of Jerry Decker. > > He was among the first widely read bloggers/advocates/reporters of various > "overunity" schemes including cold fusion. He was also a debunker of the > more obvious frauds. > > His own forum Keelynet has not been updated with an obit, as of today > > -- http://linkedin.com/in/esaruoho // http://twitter.com/esaruoho // http://lackluster.bandcamp.com // +358403703659 // http://lackluster.org // skype:esajuhaniruoho // iMessage esaru...@gmail.com // http://esaruoho.tumblr.com // http://deposit4se.tumblr.com // http://facebook.com/LacklusterOfficial //
[Vo]:Jerry Decker
Several forums are reporting the death of Jerry Decker. He was among the first widely read bloggers/advocates/reporters of various "overunity" schemes including cold fusion. He was also a debunker of the more obvious frauds. His own forum Keelynet has not been updated with an obit, as of today
[Vo]:Solar Now Third Largest Renewable Source of Electricity in US
See: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2017/06/solar-now-third-largest-renewable-source-of-electricity-in-us.html In April, solar reached a new milestone, providing more than 2.3 percent of U.S. electrical supply, according to the latest issue of the U.S. Energy Information's (EIA) Electric Power Monthly, with data through April 30, 2017. Consequently, solar has now moved into third place among renewable sources — behind hydropower and wind but ahead of biomass and geothermal. . . . Renewables Provide More Electricity Than Nuclear Electric Power Monthly reveals that — for the first time since the beginning of the nuclear era — renewable energy sources (i.e., biomass, geothermal, hydropower, solar — including small-scale PV, wind) are now providing a greater share of the nation's electrical generation than nuclear power. For the first third of this year, renewables and nuclear power have been running neck-in-neck with renewables providing 20.2 percent of U.S. net electrical generation during the four-month period (January - April) compared to 20.75 percent for nuclear power. But in March and April, renewables surpassed nuclear power and have taken a growing lead: 21.6 percent (renewables) vs. 20.34 percent (nuclear) in March, and 22.98 percent (renewables) vs. 19.19 percent (nuclear) in April. . . .
Re: [Vo]:First report on the trial from Abd
Abd expanded this report. On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:56 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > http://coldfusioncommunity.net/ >
Re: [Vo]:Rossi v. Darden
Well said. AA -Original Message- From: Lennart Thornros To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Jun 30, 2017 2:33 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi v. Darden Jed, I am not going in to a long discussion with you but I think your 'besser wisser' attitude needs a comment. You are saying the ERV report is proof of fraud. Well, that is using a very low level to qualify a proof. The truth is that you with some support of IH has made that conclusion and so maybe others also. I have not even read the report. It would mean nothing to me. Even if I think my knowledge of science exceeds junior high. Technical flaws can have many explanations. One is the one you hold as the obvious truth. In another logical shortcut you use vague indications from one of Rossi's competitors as evidence that Rossi is a fraudster. My guess is that the same competitor has negative indications about all the other players in the field. The above I mention as a background showing your ill-will or lack of positive thinking. You dismiss anyone else'es opinion as wishful thinking. I doubt you are a qualified judge of others opinion or conclusions. I have no idea about to which degree Rossi has anything contributing to LENR or not. However, it will show. In the conflict with IH the outcome is not determined by facts regarding Rossi's contribution to LENR but by a legal system very few can understand or predict. Sure is that IH has not handle the issues the way I would have expected from a serious investment company. Maybe they are smarter than I, maybe they have other ideas about what is fair and how to conduct business. Reality is that we are different. You say that Rossi is hurting the possibilities for LENR funding in the future. I would say that his contribution to the renewed interest in LENR is evident. He has stirred up the interest more than any other player. Your idea that LENR will be discredited from a possible failure by Rossi to show a result is flawed. You are searching for critic against Rossi even without minimal logic involved. Due to Rossi's involvement we have many people doing experiments and that is positive. I personally believe that Rossi has at least ideas about how to make LENR work, possibly he has a solution. Let him reveal that. He has promised after the trial to show us. Rossi looks not as a fraudster to me. He act as a passionate entrepreneur in my opinion. It is required to be an optimist to get that kind of label. Sometimes the entrepreneurial spirit contains a teaspoon of wishful thinking as you call it. It can be labeled vision also. Let us wait and see. The ongoing trial will either: - give Rossi money and ability to show that he is genuine. - give ability to IH to support other LENR ideas. - change nothing and all parties can go ahead as they see fit. My only question to you is why do you find it so beneficial to label people. As I see it you have no qualification in that field. Personally I think very few if any has that ability. Lennart Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Jones Beene wrote: Whoa. The ERV report is not really self-evident proof of anything toa jury - other than that it supposedly provides a basis for Penon'sconclusion. These are average citizens who don't do data, so tospeak. I hope you are wrong about that, but I know nothing about trials and juries, so I cannot judge. A top scientist could believe what you state, and I suspect that 95out of 100 scientists might agree with you. More like 999,999 out of a million I think. As Smith showed, anyone who agrees the laws of thermodynamics are valid will see this is fraud. I meant that technically knowledgeable people will see that the Penon report describes a blatant fraud. I don't know about the man on the street. Obviously, as we see here and at some web sites, there are people who have heard of the laws of thermodynamics yet who still believe in Rossi. They are in thrall to him. Wishful thinking has overwhelmed their ability to think rationally and do junior-high-school physics. It seems that Rossi has spent his adult life cultivating such people and then stealing from them. Unfortunately, in the course of doing this, he may have destroyed the last hope of funding for cold fusion. Unless the Texas Tech project pans out, this time cold fusion may be gone for good. It will be forgotten. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi v. Darden
the report is not so convincing, except it have no value, a joke for the most kind. what is convincing, like for Lugano and DGT Milano, is that absence of any serious and credible answer. For me at this stage, it is definitive. if Rossi have something, he sure have lied and manipulated his partners beyond what the worst startup diva can do. Anyone who support the possibility that Rossi have a technology have to realize what he have done to his partners. Of course if there is nothing, except repeated ideas coming from we community, all is more simple and logical. 2017-06-30 3:44 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell : > Jones Beene wrote: > >> >> Whoa. The ERV report is not really self-evident proof of anything to a >> jury - other than that it supposedly provides a basis for Penon's >> conclusion. These are average citizens who don't do data, so to speak. >> > > I hope you are wrong about that, but I know nothing about trials and > juries, so I cannot judge. > > > >> A top scientist could believe what you state, and I suspect that 95 out >> of 100 scientists might agree with you. >> > > More like 999,999 out of a million I think. As Smith showed, anyone who > agrees the laws of thermodynamics are valid will see this is fraud. > > I meant that technically knowledgeable people will see that the Penon > report describes a blatant fraud. I don't know about the man on the street. > Obviously, as we see here and at some web sites, there are people who have > heard of the laws of thermodynamics yet who still believe in Rossi. They > are in thrall to him. Wishful thinking has overwhelmed their ability to > think rationally and do junior-high-school physics. > > It seems that Rossi has spent his adult life cultivating such people and > then stealing from them. Unfortunately, in the course of doing this, he may > have destroyed the last hope of funding for cold fusion. Unless the Texas > Tech project pans out, this time cold fusion may be gone for good. It will > be forgotten. > > - Jed > >
