Re: [Vo]:[OT]Catching mice-- trap design and rad waste D& D

[Terry Blanton]

Tesla will never live it down.  Damn Edison!

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 9:32 PM ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> Or, you can just throw some peanuts into the trap and wait for your iPhone
> to tell you when you have a victim...no sticky messes to clean up
>
> Victor M2 Smart-Kill Wi-Fi Electronic Rat Trap Victor
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07875MKM7/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_awdo_t1_ITlBCbZCM29QP
>
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 9:01 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 3:14 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
>> bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bacon is of diminaimus reduced risk of missing a hungry mouse or vole
>>> for that matter and, thus, should be dismissed as a reasonable design
>>> alternative bate.
>>>
>>
>> It has one significant advantagetypically you don't have to reload
>> the bate (sic.; pref. 'bait') since the first bastard hardly took any
>> before the trap took him.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:[OT]Catching mice-- trap design and rad waste D& D

[ChemE Stewart]

Or, you can just throw some peanuts into the trap and wait for your iPhone
to tell you when you have a victim...no sticky messes to clean up

Victor M2 Smart-Kill Wi-Fi Electronic Rat Trap Victor
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07875MKM7/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_awdo_t1_ITlBCbZCM29QP

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 9:01 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 3:14 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
> bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bacon is of diminaimus reduced risk of missing a hungry mouse or vole for
>> that matter and, thus, should be dismissed as a reasonable design
>> alternative bate.
>>
>
> It has one significant advantagetypically you don't have to reload the
> bate (sic.; pref. 'bait') since the first bastard hardly took any before
> the trap took him.
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:[OT]Catching mice-- trap design and rad waste D& D

[Terry Blanton]

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 3:14 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Bacon is of diminaimus reduced risk of missing a hungry mouse or vole for
> that matter and, thus, should be dismissed as a reasonable design
> alternative bate.
>

It has one significant advantagetypically you don't have to reload the
bate (sic.; pref. 'bait') since the first bastard hardly took any before
the trap took him.

Re: [Vo]:Grapes in a microwave oven as metaphor for the Holmlid effect

[Axil Axil]

https://www.lenr-forum.com/image-proxy/?key=db1875b281b9013a80f8668e6cdbd7c1ed5ca5a2110f7eb376584ea318f7c59a-aHR0cDovL2kuaW1ndXIuY29tLzFhMGFQTVguZ2lm

With a pile of spheres of various sizes, the EMF application goes way up
at  the smallest particle interface. This process is called the gear effect.

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 4:23 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

> The best theoretical fit for explaining the target matter for laser
> irradiation in the Holmlid effect, arguably involves the "binuclear atom"
> instead of UDH.
>
> The binuclear atom theory of Cerofolini and Para proposes two protons and
> two electrons in a single metastable unit - not a molecule but an atomic
> unit. This atom is bound at about 30 eV but is metastable nevertheless due
> to internal stress. The protons orbit each other at close range where the
> strong force is balanced by electrostatic repulsion.
>
> Magnetism is the only natural mechanism for two units of UDH to bind to
> each other as a target - but since hydrogen is diamagnetic that is
> problematic. If two or more protons are required for the Holmlid effect
> then UDH is hard to justify and the binuclear atom looks more intuitive.
>
> Having two very close protons as the target instead of one would allow for
> a "standing wave amplification effect," such as is seen in the plasma grape
> phenomena. Therefore, there is a better fit with the binuclear atom theory
> in a hybrid approach.
>
> This hybrid approach of course is too far removed from Holmlid's theory
> for him to consider - but that doesn't mean it is incorrect...
>
> OTOH... can anything valid in physics be based on the physics of grapes?
>
> In vino veritas ??
>
>
> 
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Grapes in a microwave oven as metaphor for the Holmlid effect

[Jones Beene]

 The best theoretical fit for explaining the target matter for laser 
irradiation in the Holmlid effect, arguably involves the "binuclear atom" 
instead of UDH. 

The binuclear atom theory of Cerofolini and Para proposes two protons and two 
electrons in a single metastable unit - not a molecule but an atomic unit. This 
atom is bound at about 30 eV but is metastable nevertheless due to internal 
stress. The protons orbit each other at close range where the strong force is 
balanced by electrostatic repulsion. 

Magnetism is the only natural mechanism for two units of UDH to bind to each 
other as a target - but since hydrogen is diamagnetic that is problematic. If 
two or more protons are required for the Holmlid effect then UDH is hard to 
justify and the binuclear atom looks more intuitive. 

Having two very close protons as the target instead of one would allow for a 
"standing wave amplification effect," such as is seen in the plasma grape 
phenomena. Therefore, there is a better fit with the binuclear atom theory in a 
hybrid approach.

This hybrid approach of course is too far removed from Holmlid's theory for him 
to consider - but that doesn't mean it is incorrect...
OTOH... can anything valid in physics be based on the physics of grapes? 

In vino veritas ??
   



  

Re: [Vo]:[OT]Catching mice

[Jed Rothwell]

I wrote:

They filled in many other small holes, such as where the electric wires
> used coming through the wall.
>

I meant where the wires used to come in. The electrician installed a new
meter years ago. The box where the old one was now has birds nesting in it,
which is nice.

When you get new plumbing, a new garden hose faucet, or even new telephone
wires, you should check to be sure the wires and pipes are sealed with
plastic goo. Then check the old holes as well. Also check for cracked or
missing grout.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:[OT]Catching mice-- trap design and rad waste D& D

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Bacon is of diminaimus reduced risk of missing a hungry mouse or vole for that 
matter and, thus, should be dismissed as a reasonable design alternative bate.

This is the same kind of logic DOE uses to evaluate D radioactive waste 
design options.  They love the use of “diminaimus” as an adjective  to describe 
an undesirable parameter, e.a., mutagenic  changes relative to future 
generations’ welfare,  particularly small, close-knit populations of indigenous 
populations.   They do not pay attention to diminaimus risk in their design 
bases for D projects.

Bob Cook


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From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 6:42:26 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:[OT]Catching mice


Use peanut butter on the tripping mechanism.  Its easier to apply and cheaper, 
and the varmint will eat until the trap goes off.  The dogma associated with 
cheese and mice  is just that.



Bob Cook



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From: mix...@bigpond.com 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 7:32:17 PM
To: VORTEX
Subject: [Vo]:[OT]Catching mice

Hi,

Ever set a mouse trap only to discover the next morning that the cheese is gone,
but the trap not sprung?
The trick is to use a very small amount of cheese, ~= 4 mm^3, and sticky tape it
to the trap, with just the edge of cheese sticking out, so that they can smell
it. That way, the mouse has to fight with the trap to get at the cheese, and the
struggle sets off the trap.

Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:[OT]Catching mice

[Jed Rothwell]

My suggestion: hire an expert. We had mice galore until I hired a local
company. They came and put new screens over the air vents to the crawlspace
and the attic. They filled in many other small holes, such as where the
electric wires used coming through the wall. They did some carpentry on the
kitchen floor, and various other things, and they set traps. After a month
or so the mice were gone. Except for one rat. She came out every night and
took several bites out of a mcintosh Apple. Always a mcintosh. One morning
I caught her and chased her into the bathtub. She could not get out. I
called the exterminator. He came by with a humane trap, put her in the back
of his truck and drove her off into the woods. I assumed he would kill the
poor thing, but he drove off with her still alive.

Those traps were baited with peanut butter. We caught many mice with them.

We have not had a problem since then. The exterminator told me the secret
is to keep vermin out. The same with roaches. He said a rat can come in
through a hole the size of your thumb.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:[OT]Catching mice

[Terry Blanton]

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 9:42 AM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Use peanut butter on the tripping mechanism.
>
Almost perfect.  Use raw bacon smeared with peanut butter.  Properly
installed, the varmint can not remove the bacon without springing the trap.

Re: [Vo]:Grapes in a microwave oven as metaphor for the Holmlid effect

[Jones Beene]

There is more information on the "plamonic grapes" experiment for those who see 
some slight benefit to this metaphor in the context of the Holmlid effect. 
There could actually be broader significance due to wave mechanics which 
operate on two different geometric scales.. 

The researchers destroyed a few dozen grapes with microwaves before figuring 
out that the plasmonic grapes had to be just the right size to set up standing 
waves that amplify the microwave signal -- OR for that matter, any other target 
(besides grapes) which is roughly spherical, which will do the same acting as 
an antenna. As it turns out, the circumference of grapes which are slightly 
smaller than average matches exactly the quarter-wavelength of the oven. No 
surprise there - and large grapes or smaller grapes do not work.

When it comes to antenna theory, the important figure for coupling waves to an 
antenna is the quarter-wavelength and not the complete wave - which is exactly 
what this experiment shows. It also tells us something about the Holmlid effect 
(assuming it is real, since many of us are not fully convinced that so many 
muons are being produced.)

Microwaves in an oven are monchromatic at  a frequency of 2450 MHz (2.45 GHz or 
12 cm with the important quarter wavelength being  3 cm. 

The quantum energy of such a wave is only  a 10,000 of an electron volt (.0001 
eV) which is tiny, but here the key is the standing wave - which when it occurs 
simultaneously around two adjoining spheres becomes highly amplified. The 
amplification looks to be a factor or 10exp6 or 100,000 to one. The spot where 
the two spheres touch gets the highest energy input from standing waves which 
take a "figure 8" route around the pair of grapes. A single grape simply 
fizzles, There must be two grapes which are touching (or one which is split in 
half will work for the 2D wave)

Thus when one transposes this to the Holmlid effect where the laser photon 
starts out about 1 eV then we are seeing amplified energy deposited between two 
UDH atoms which is well above the range needed for hot fusion. This is why 
Holmlid insists that his work is not LENR but is a new niche which resembles 
hot fusion but is actually more energetic than nuclear fusion. It is complete 
nucleon disintegration.

 
Hi Robin,
Hmmm .The difference could be this...

The particles in a nucleus are mutually held together by the strong force. Thus 
they resist any attempt to break apart under laser irradiation.

In contrast, dense hydrogen would not feel the strong force from another nearby 
dense hydrogen -- thus they are more reactive when irradiated with the laser 
since they have more freedom of movement.
  
Jones


>Interesting story in New Scientist magazine this week - about the surprisingly 
>intense plasma which can be made by placing two grapes side-by-side in a 
>microwave oven. The energy expressed in this simple experiment defies logic 
>since with only a single grape - there is a much smaller steam explosion and 
>no plasma.
>The reason involves directed energy localization.
>
>The metaphor could apply to two atoms of dense hydrogen - UDH irradiated by a 
>laser - which then annihilate. They do not fuse but instead are turned into 
>"quark soup" - eventually into muons. Unless the atoms are very close, the 
>strange MO and results of the Holmlid effect would not happen - thus there 
>must be dense hydrogen present.

Even dense hydrogen doesn't get any closer together than the nucleons in a
nucleus, yet they don't explode in a shower of muons.
[snip]
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

RE: [Vo]:[OT]Catching mice

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Use peanut butter on the tripping mechanism.  Its easier to apply and cheaper, 
and the varmint will eat until the trap goes off.  The dogma associated with 
cheese and mice  is just that.



Bob Cook



Sent from Mail for Windows 10




From: mix...@bigpond.com 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 7:32:17 PM
To: VORTEX
Subject: [Vo]:[OT]Catching mice

Hi,

Ever set a mouse trap only to discover the next morning that the cheese is gone,
but the trap not sprung?
The trick is to use a very small amount of cheese, ~= 4 mm^3, and sticky tape it
to the trap, with just the edge of cheese sticking out, so that they can smell
it. That way, the mouse has to fight with the trap to get at the cheese, and the
struggle sets off the trap.

Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success