Re: [Vo]:Another take on LENR from MIT?

[Terry Blanton]

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:25 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> It's as damned obvious as UFOs.  
>

Hopefully, before my expiry date, a UFO will land on the WH lawn and when
they ask how the ship is powered the response will be, "Cold fusion, you
hairless ape."


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Re: [Vo]:Another take on LENR from MIT?

[Terry Blanton]

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 6:26 PM JonesBeene  wrote:

>
>
> https://phys.org/news/2019-05-discusses-reopening-case-cold-fusion.html
>
I must have missed this one.  It's the same event Jed, et al have been
discussing.

I don't understand how these people can be, or even pretend to be, unaware
of the work the likes of Mike McKubre.  Do they not use the sponsor 's
(Google) product?  Mike still has glass embedded in his body from an
exploding cell.  He has several demonstrations of excess heat triggering
right at 90% loading.  Virtually every time he was able to get excess heat
in the latter days at SRI.

It's as damned obvious as UFOs.  


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Re: [Vo]:Berlinguette, C.P., et al., Revisiting the cold case of cold fusion. Nature, 2019

[Jed Rothwell]

Terry Blanton  wrote:


> The first article says:
>> <> bias . >>
>>
>


> Well at least they aren't using the scathing term pathological science.
>>
>
> And for that I am grateful and thusly do not use the term 'cognitive
> dissonance'.  :)
>

Well said!

Plus, you notice, they didn't say which way the confirmation bias went.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Berlinguette, C.P., et al., Revisiting the cold case of cold fusion. Nature, 2019

[Terry Blanton]

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 1:02 PM H LV  wrote:

> The first article says:
> < bias . >>
>
> Well at least they aren't using the scathing term pathological science.
>

And for that I am grateful and thusly do not use the term 'cognitive
dissonance'.  :)

Re: [Vo]:UFOs are getting dangerous

[Axil Axil]

Other important locations in the world where recurrent light phenomena are
reported

Light phenomena similar to the Hessdalen phenomenon (the most studied
scientifically so far) are recurrently reported in several other locations
of the
world (Teodorani, 2001b, 2003), the most important of which are:
Min-min (Australia), Byron Bay (Australia), Northern Beaches (Australia),
Lake Ontario (Canada), Lake Tagish (Canada), St. Louis (Canada),
Saguenay(Canada), Marfa (USA), The Brown Mountains (USA), The Hudson Valley
(USA), Yakima (USA), Hardin-Ohio (USA), Spokane (USA), The Arizona
Desert (USA), Dundee (USA), Sedona (USA), Perm (Russia), Victoria
(Argentina), Cerro Uritorco (Argentina), The Wu Tai Shan Mountain (China),
The Longdendale Valley (UK), The Popocatepetl Volcano (Mexico), Monterrey
(Mexico), Boyle (Ireland), Monti Sibillini (Italy), Sassalbo (Italy),
Valconca
(Italy), Cluj Napoa (Romania), The Tatra Mountains (Poland), Arendal
(Norway), Twente (Holland), Nong Khai (Thailand).

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 1:52 PM JonesBeene  wrote:

>
>
> *From: *Axil Axil 
>
>
>
> The Hessdalen Lights in Norway and the Marfa Lights in Texas are two
> places out of many that occur around the world where lights that are the
> size of full sized buses float in the sky. These lights are seen mostly at
> night.
>
> These light have been studied for years and the consensus among the
> researchers who are interested in them is that these lights are a natural
> phenomenon. These lights are not extraterrestrial or man-made technologies
> but are now understood to be natural in origin.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, there is a pretty good explanation which is both natural and slightly
> fringe. The lights at least in the instances and videos  below are said to
> be a type of ball lightning phenomenon since they are correlated directly
> with distant electrical storms, and  also fueled by the prevalent
> hydrocarbon gases emitted from the local forests.
>
>
>
> They don’t call them “tar heels” for nothing…
>
>
>
>
> https://wlos.com/news/local/asu-scientists-capture-rare-images-of-wncs-brown-mountain-lights
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:UFOs are getting dangerous

[JonesBeene]

From: Axil Axil

The Hessdalen Lights in Norway and the Marfa Lights in Texas are two places out 
of many that occur around the world where lights that are the size of full 
sized buses float in the sky. These lights are seen mostly at night.
These light have been studied for years and the consensus among the researchers 
who are interested in them is that these lights are a natural phenomenon. These 
lights are not extraterrestrial or man-made technologies but are now understood 
to be natural in origin.


Yes, there is a pretty good explanation which is both natural and slightly 
fringe. The lights at least in the instances and videos  below are said to be a 
type of ball lightning phenomenon since they are correlated directly with 
distant electrical storms, and  also fueled by the prevalent hydrocarbon gases 
emitted from the local forests. 

They don’t call them “tar heels” for nothing…

https://wlos.com/news/local/asu-scientists-capture-rare-images-of-wncs-brown-mountain-lights

Re: [Vo]:Berlinguette, C.P., et al., Revisiting the cold case of cold fusion. Nature, 2019

[H LV]

The first article says:
. >>

Well at least they aren't using the scathing term pathological science.
Harry


On Tue, May 28, 2019, 7:13 PM Jed Rothwell  Note there are two other articles in Nature about the Google experiment.
> Both of them insufferable bullshit:
>
> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01675-9
>
> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01683-9
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:UFOs are getting dangerous

[Axil Axil]

The Hessdalen Lights in Norway and the Marfa Lights in Texas are two places
out of many that occur around the world where lights that are the size of
full sized buses float in the sky. These lights are seen mostly at night.

These light have been studied for years and the consensus among the
researchers who are interested in them is that these lights are a natural
phenomenon. These lights are not extraterrestrial or man-made technologies
but are now understood to be natural in origin.

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 5:52 AM Roarty, Francis X 
wrote:

> Hi Terry,
>
> I would lean toward trans temporal since it immediately resolves the
> anomalous accelerations and seemingly sudden turns as time dilation and
> Lorentzian contraction combine when a craft employs a temporal vector.
> Changes in heading by either craft can give the impression of huge
> acceleration for same reason as light poles in our peripheral vision
> flashing past when we sit in a speeding car. No crushing G forces just time
> dilation/ contraction.. I keep including contraction because the vehicle’s
> spatial position has to shadow an actual position out on the hypotenuse
> between time and space *and when the alien craft appeared to be flying
> dangerously close between two Navy planes it may have been telling us
> something*.. I suspect the alien craft was far larger than the 1st
> aircraft and his wingman thought, they made assumptions based on their own
>  close spatial position but a 4D temporal craft can be far more displaced
> and larger than the 3D navy aircraft observing it. I’m thinking hundreds of
> feet between the aircraft but the alien ship was thousands or more feet
> away on the hypotenuse between .. would love to get a description of their
> visuals to know if they maintained  normal size view of each other  when
> the alien craft flew between/ their visual observations, the radar and the
> flir during this event would be really interesting if available.
>
>
>
> Fran
>

RE: [Vo]:Berlinguette, C.P., et al., Revisiting the cold case of cold fusion. Nature, 2019

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

I wonder if the MIT folks talked with Peter and Mitchell at MIT?  Either or 
both may have some good ideas for the Google collaboration or lack thereof.

Did Google mandate the secrecy of the various individual efforts?

Bob Cook

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From: Jed Rothwell 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 7:47:17 AM
To: Vortex
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Berlinguette, C.P., et al., Revisiting the cold case of cold 
fusion. Nature, 2019

Alain Sepeda mailto:alain.sep...@gmail.com>> wrote:

By the way, from what you read about the work of that team, was failure 
predictable ?

I do not think they are finished, so it should not be called a failure yet. 
They probably did not achieve high loading. See this interview with one of the 
authors:

http://news.mit.edu/2019/3q-yet-ming-chiang-reopening-the-case-of-cold-fusion-0527#.XOw6HEe8lbU.twitter


do you know if they contacted experienced actors of the domain ?

Trevithick attended several ICCF conferences. I believe he and McKubre are 
friends.


Did they test fuel from other team (like the Japanese, or IH scientists?)

Good question. I do not know. It isn't fuel they need to test. It is cathodes, 
such as the ones made by Violante. I do not know if they are still available.


What I have seen is usual hate speech by Nature, and great enthusiasm shown 
by Berlinguette group just a "work in progress"...

Yes. As I said, alert readers of Nature may ask themselves: Why is Nature so 
upset about this? Why is there so much doubletalk in the paper, to cover up the 
fact that this has been replicated?

Here is a question not many readers have asked themselves: "What is this 
LENR-CANR.org website?" Traffic has not increased noticeably.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Berlinguette, C.P., et al., Revisiting the cold case of cold fusion. Nature, 2019

[Jed Rothwell]

Alain Sepeda  wrote:

By the way, from what you read about the work of that team, was failure
> predictable ?
>

I do not think they are finished, so it should not be called a failure yet.
They probably did not achieve high loading. See this interview with one of
the authors:

http://news.mit.edu/2019/3q-yet-ming-chiang-reopening-the-case-of-cold-fusion-0527#.XOw6HEe8lbU.twitter




> do you know if they contacted experienced actors of the domain ?
>

Trevithick attended several ICCF conferences. I believe he and McKubre are
friends.



> Did they test fuel from other team (like the Japanese, or IH scientists?)
>

Good question. I do not know. It isn't fuel they need to test. It is
cathodes, such as the ones made by Violante. I do not know if they are
still available.



> What I have seen is usual hate speech by Nature, and great enthusiasm
> shown by Berlinguette group just a "work in progress"...
>

Yes. As I said, alert readers of *Nature* may ask themselves: Why is
*Nature* so upset about this? Why is there so much doubletalk in the paper,
to cover up the fact that this has been replicated?

Here is a question not many readers have asked themselves: "What is this
LENR-CANR.org website?" Traffic has not increased noticeably.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Berlinguette, C.P., et al., Revisiting the cold case of cold fusion. Nature, 2019

[Jed Rothwell]

I think this paper is weak tea. The editorials accompanying it are pretty
awful. On the other hand, as they say in show business, any publicity is
good publicity. People reading *Nature* may ask themselves:

Why did they publish a paper along with three editorials attacking it? Why
are they so upset about this? The paper describes replications, so why do
the editorials say it was never replicated?

Re: [Vo]:Berlinguette, C.P., et al., Revisiting the cold case of cold fusion. Nature, 2019

[Alain Sepeda]

By the way, from what you read about the work of that team, was failure
predictable ?
do you know if they contacted experienced actors of the domain ?
Did they test fuel from other team (like the Japanese, or IH scientists?)

What I have seen is usual hate speech by Nature, and great enthusiasm
shown by Berlinguette group just a "work in progress"...


Le mer. 29 mai 2019 à 01:13, Jed Rothwell  a écrit :

> Note there are two other articles in Nature about the Google experiment.
> Both of them insufferable bullshit:
>
> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01675-9
>
> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01683-9
>
>

Re: [Vo]:UFOs are getting dangerous

[Roarty, Francis X]

Hi Terry,
I would lean toward trans temporal since it immediately resolves the anomalous 
accelerations and seemingly sudden turns as time dilation and Lorentzian 
contraction combine when a craft employs a temporal vector. Changes in heading 
by either craft can give the impression of huge acceleration for same reason as 
light poles in our peripheral vision flashing past when we sit in a speeding 
car. No crushing G forces just time dilation/ contraction.. I keep including 
contraction because the vehicle's spatial position has to shadow an actual 
position out on the hypotenuse between time and space and when the alien craft 
appeared to be flying dangerously close between two Navy planes it may have 
been telling us something.. I suspect the alien craft was far larger than the 
1st aircraft and his wingman thought, they made assumptions based on their own  
close spatial position but a 4D temporal craft can be far more displaced and 
larger than the 3D navy aircraft observing it. I'm thinking hundreds of feet 
between the aircraft but the alien ship was thousands or more feet away on the 
hypotenuse between .. would love to get a description of their visuals to know 
if they maintained  normal size view of each other  when the alien craft flew 
between/ their visual observations, the radar and the flir during this event 
would be really interesting if available.

Fran