Re: [Vo]:Solution to the Pandemic! And the next one...
The harm from the virus is significant and lasting for many even if it does not kill. Also Corona viruses, well there has never been a successful vaccine for a corona virus and immunity seems not to be lasting. Indeed about a 3rd of those who have had it seem not to have notable levels of antibodies. So herd immunity is really untenable, it needs to be stopped, not easy, but the only way it's not just going to keep on hitting humanity again and again with what seem to be at the most optimistic to be a roughly 1% fatality rate. I have found two US manufacturers of 222nm bulbs, not sure though that either have enough output. Good to know it's krypton chloride, wasn't aware. On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 04:35, Michael Foster wrote: > This is a really good idea. Fortunately, the U.S. can supply its own > krypton. 222 nm lamps are krypton chloride excimer bulbs. Maybe we can wise > up and make the lamps in the United States. I doubt that any are made here > now. I know this sounds ridiculous at the moment, but what if a baseball > cap could be made with a small excimer lamp on the under side of the bill. > This certainly isn't impossible what with all the really compact high > voltage supplies that are made now. I doubt if making large numbers of > excimer bulbs would have much of an effect on the price of krypton as > rather large amounts are used in double pane windows at near atmospheric > pressure. The krypton chloride bulbs, conversely, use small amounts a low > pressure. > > OTOH, all of this prevention simply delays people being exposed to the > virus and thus delaying the herd immunity. The original premise of this > absurd lock down was to "flatten the curve" and prevent hospitals from > being overwhelmed. This exercise in totalitarian despotism was based on > faulty computer models like most of our predictions of doom lately. The > overall death rate in the U.S. is down somewhat from previous years, > meaning that the people who supposedly succumbed to the Wuhan virus would > probably have died of something else in the same time period. Given the > practice of reporting deaths of the elderly as from covid19 whether or not > that was the known cause no doubt inflates the numbers substantially. > > Influenza deaths will probably exceed the deaths caused by the corona > virus this year. This is just a guess on my part, probably more accurate > that the latest computer models. But we all just love to panic don't we? > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 18, 2020, 11:10:48 PM UTC, Jonathan Berry < > jonathanberry3...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > You are sort of missing the point though! > The point is that 222nm UVC light kills the virus (however ironic that > might be with HV corona emitting UV) and this 222nm UV is safe, not harmful! > It doesn't even get through to live skin cells or even through the water > film on your eye. > But it destroys the virus in the air and on surfaces. > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 08:41, Jürg Wyttenbach wrote: > > > > > > Very good new from California. > > > > > > https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/17/1000113/up-to-4-of-silicon-valley-already-infected-with-coronavirus/ > > > > > > > only 1 out of 50 infected does get > symptoms!!! > > > > > > Fairly consistent > research results showing increased rate of leukemias near high > voltage transmission lines but little evidence low frequency EMR > can cause it. > > > > You should not live to close to such > transmission lines due to high magnetic fields. > > > > Leukemia (in > children) is also slightly increased in a radius up to 20 miles > from a nuclear plant. > > > > > > J.W. > > > > > > Am 18.04.20 um 21:17 schrieb ChemE > Stewart: > > > > > > Damp conditions, dew buildup, pollution and > damage to insulators/lines all reduce the local breakdown > voltage. The strong electric field is ionizing N2 and O2 in > the air and producing ozone and NOx which by themselves are > not healthy long term. The ionization is also releasing broad > spectrum electromagnetic pollution from high frequency UVc > down to low frequency radio noise. It is most likely the high > frequency UV range doing the cellular damage over time nearby. > > > > > Fairly consistent research results showing > increased rate of leukemias near high voltage transmission lines > but little evidence low frequency EMR can cause it. I expect it > is the high frequency UV spectrum and it is dependent upon local > weather and line conditions. > > > > > > https://www.webmd.com/cancer/lymphoma/news/20050602/child-leukemia-again-linked-to-power-lines > > > > If special UVc cameras are detecting the radiation > that implies it is reaching the lens/ground & biology > > > > > https://youtu.be/NsSXjFMHIuU > > > > > https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8727300 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 2:11 > PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > I > had a friend who lived fo
Re: [Vo]:A contrarian thought experiment
I like it. On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 19:40 Jones Beene wrote: > Robin, > > Yes. However if an AI which is accurately modeling outcomes behind the > scenes was developed, programmed and funded by a secretive group to which > we can attach that name, then it makes little difference what label gets > the blame ... why not "satan"? > > One could also label an expected massive kill-off (with an imagined > purpose) as "the apocalypse" or even as "god's will", no? > > IOW the complexity of the dynamics at play seem to make human capabilities > (to understand sufficiently or predict outcomes accurately) impossible. > Thus our rationality wants us to find a "real" causative sources, > especially elsewhere than our beloved "nature".. > > We hate to confront the fact that evil, randomness and ignorance are > synonymous... even natural. > > > mix...@bigpond.com wrote: > > > I like it. > >Now imagine all that future you envision having been precision > orchestrated in the year 2020 by an AI which few humans knew about... > > > I don't think it was an AI. More like the Illuminati. ;) > > > >
Re: [Vo]:A contrarian thought experiment
Robin, Yes. However if an AI which is accurately modeling outcomes behind the scenes was developed, programmed and funded by a secretive group to which we can attach that name, then it makes little difference what label gets the blame ... why not "satan"? One could also label an expected massive kill-off (with an imagined purpose) as "the apocalypse" or even as "god's will", no? IOW the complexity of the dynamics at play seem to make human capabilities (to understand sufficiently or predict outcomes accurately) impossible. Thus our rationality wants us to find a "real" causative sources, especially elsewhere than our beloved "nature".. We hate to confront the fact that evil, randomness and ignorance are synonymous... even natural. mix...@bigpond.com wrote: > I like it. >Now imagine all that future you envision having been precision orchestrated in >the year 2020 by an AI which few humans knew about... I don't think it was an AI. More like the Illuminati. ;)
Re: [Vo]:A contrarian thought experiment
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 20 Apr 2020 20:29:04 + (UTC): Hi, [snip] > I like it. >Now imagine all that future you envision having been precision orchestrated in >the year 2020 by an AI which few humans knew about... I don't think it was an AI. More like the Illuminati. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk local asymmetry = temporary success
Re: [Vo]:A contrarian thought experiment
I like it. Now imagine all that future you envision having been precision orchestrated in the year 2020 by an AI which few humans knew about... Jones On Monday, April 20, 2020, 12:36:14 PM PDT, AlanG wrote: View the current state of the world as a dystopian science-fiction book in progress. The plot line going forward: there was no easy cure found, an effective vaccine for example. Looking back from 50 years or so, we see carbon emission was reduced by 70%, world population reduced by 50% and globalization essentially ended by strict quarantine of most goods and people, with travel more than 100 km prohibited without special need. But creativity and VR-enabled social interaction flourish, and the advance of science continues unabated. Consumption-based capitalism is a thing of the past, replaced by careful management of resources and universal education in sustainability. I'm not asserting this as a personal philosophy, merely an exploration of what-if. But the future sure ain't what it used to be. Don't Panic! AlanG
[Vo]:A contrarian thought experiment
View the current state of the world as a dystopian science-fiction book in progress. The plot line going forward: there was no easy cure found, an effective vaccine for example. Looking back from 50 years or so, we see carbon emission was reduced by 70%, world population reduced by 50% and globalization essentially ended by strict quarantine of most goods and people, with travel more than 100 km prohibited without special need. But creativity and VR-enabled social interaction flourish, and the advance of science continues unabated. Consumption-based capitalism is a thing of the past, replaced by careful management of resources and universal education in sustainability. I'm not asserting this as a personal philosophy, merely an exploration of what-if. But the future sure ain't what it used to be. Don't Panic! AlanG
Re: [Vo]:Solution to the Pandemic! And the next one...
This is a really good idea. Fortunately, the U.S. can supply its own krypton. 222 nm lamps are krypton chloride excimer bulbs. Maybe we can wise up and make the lamps in the United States. I doubt that any are made here now. I know this sounds ridiculous at the moment, but what if a baseball cap could be made with a small excimer lamp on the under side of the bill. This certainly isn't impossible what with all the really compact high voltage supplies that are made now. I doubt if making large numbers of excimer bulbs would have much of an effect on the price of krypton as rather large amounts are used in double pane windows at near atmospheric pressure. The krypton chloride bulbs, conversely, use small amounts a low pressure. OTOH, all of this prevention simply delays people being exposed to the virus and thus delaying the herd immunity. The original premise of this absurd lock down was to "flatten the curve" and prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. This exercise in totalitarian despotism was based on faulty computer models like most of our predictions of doom lately. The overall death rate in the U.S. is down somewhat from previous years, meaning that the people who supposedly succumbed to the Wuhan virus would probably have died of something else in the same time period. Given the practice of reporting deaths of the elderly as from covid19 whether or not that was the known cause no doubt inflates the numbers substantially. Influenza deaths will probably exceed the deaths caused by the corona virus this year. This is just a guess on my part, probably more accurate that the latest computer models. But we all just love to panic don't we? On Saturday, April 18, 2020, 11:10:48 PM UTC, Jonathan Berry wrote: You are sort of missing the point though! The point is that 222nm UVC light kills the virus (however ironic that might be with HV corona emitting UV) and this 222nm UV is safe, not harmful! It doesn't even get through to live skin cells or even through the water film on your eye. But it destroys the virus in the air and on surfaces. On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 08:41, Jürg Wyttenbach wrote: Very good new from California. https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/17/1000113/up-to-4-of-silicon-valley-already-infected-with-coronavirus/ only 1 out of 50 infected does get symptoms!!! Fairly consistent research results showing increased rate of leukemias near high voltage transmission lines but little evidence low frequency EMR can cause it. You should not live to close to such transmission lines due to high magnetic fields. Leukemia (in children) is also slightly increased in a radius up to 20 miles from a nuclear plant. J.W. Am 18.04.20 um 21:17 schrieb ChemE Stewart: Damp conditions, dew buildup, pollution and damage to insulators/lines all reduce the local breakdown voltage. The strong electric field is ionizing N2 and O2 in the air and producing ozone and NOx which by themselves are not healthy long term. The ionization is also releasing broad spectrum electromagnetic pollution from high frequency UVc down to low frequency radio noise. It is most likely the high frequency UV range doing the cellular damage over time nearby. Fairly consistent research results showing increased rate of leukemias near high voltage transmission lines but little evidence low frequency EMR can cause it. I expect it is the high frequency UV spectrum and it is dependent upon local weather and line conditions. https://www.webmd.com/cancer/lymphoma/news/20050602/child-leukemia-again-linked-to-power-lines If special UVc cameras are detecting the radiation that implies it is reaching the lens/ground & biology https://youtu.be/NsSXjFMHIuU https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8727300 On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 2:11 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote: I had a friend who lived for 30 years with high voltage transmission lines at the edge of his property in Spokane County. He died about 6 or 7 years ago from two separate cancers. His son who lived with him in his home (30 years his junior) also died of cancer within a month of his father. All the cancers were of different types. My friend would comment how the lines would crackle in humid conditions. I always assumed it was steam explosions of small water droplets. Thus a strange noise associated with transmission lines may also deter the movement of large animals. Bob Cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ChemE Stewart Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 6:23 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Solution to the Pandemic! And the next one... Time elapse UV emissions from high voltage transmission lines. https://www.ultravioletphotography.com/content/index.php/topic/763-power-lines-in-uv/ Broad spectrum UV light poll
