Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

[Axil Axil]

Regarding: "contamination"

The elimination of the possibility of contamination is why I posted above
in this thread to Michael Foster to pretest for sodium in the
potassium salt contamination before Mike ran the microwave test. I posted
to Mike as follows:

Mike:

There may be transmutation of potassium to sodium going on. The cessation
of the sparking before all the water boils off may indicate that the
majority of the potassium has been transmuted to sodium since the potassium
carries the reaction and sodium does not.

Initially in order to establish a baseline, check for sodium
before sparking the solution to establish sodium is not present in the
potassium salt. After the sparking stops, test for sodium. Vaporize the
salt and look for the yellow spectrum bands.

Also:

The indication of carbon to iron and silicon transmutation in the
Ferrosilicon smelting process is about as macro of a system as you will
find. I anticipate that you will site contamination again but the controls
in the smelting process are too controlled to sustain contamination as a
possibility.

I posted above in this thread as follows:

Transmutation is NOT gainful. The reaction occurs in a coherent
environment that is in a state of superposition. Any energy that would be
produced is not realized and is placed in the cosmic trash can by quantum
mechanics.

This assertion is shown here

http://coldfusioncommunity.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/244_JCMNS-Vol24.pdf


Silcal Metallurgic Ltd. system produced 4.5 tons of transmutation per day
for weeks on end without the appearance of any excess energy.

Also, How can chickens produce calcium in their gut if transmutation
generates excess energy?



Note section 7 of this ICCF submission as follows:

 7. Puzzle of the Missing Nuclear Energy

*A worth noting feature of the Silcal observations was that there was no
dramatic change whatsoever in the energy dissipation. Using the estimated
energy release values of 17.13 MeV/atom of Si or 49.58 MeV per atom of Fe
given in Appendix B, for the postulated nuclear transmutation reactions, it
can be shown that corresponding to 4.25 ton of metal transmutation, the
power generated should have been the equivalent of the total thermal power
generated by hundreds of 1000MWe nuclear power stations. However, in our
plant there was no evidence of such massive amounts of nuclear energy being
released throughout the 11-week period, giving a handle to the skeptics to
question our claims of ton level elemental transmutations. In this context
it is worth noting that nobody in published LENR literature (to the best of
our knowledge) has established a clear correlation between the quantum of
transmutation products generated in carbon arc and the expected nuclear
heat release based on atomic mass considerations. On the other hand neither
has any publication claimed that the Carbon Arc experiment violates
Einstein’s E = mc2 dictum. Thus if indeed the Silcal transmutation claims
are confirmed it would clearly point to the operation of new Science
wherein transmutation could be occurring without the accompaniment of the
expected nuclear energy release.*


*In the context of these remarks the arguments of Daniel Szumski elaborated
in his “Least Action Nuclear Process” (LANP) Theory appear relevant. We
learnt about Szumski’s work through his paper presented at ICCF 20
conference [13]. Szumski who has taken great pains to analyze in detail the
transmutation observations of George Miley (see
www.LeastActionNuclearProcess.com
) argues that both endothermic
and exothermic nuclear reactions can and do occur concurrently in LENR
experiments, partly or wholly cancelling out net energy release. In fact he
has referred to some experimental observations of Mizuno wherein
transmutations have reportedly been observed by him not accompanied by
energy release. Szumski is thus not at all surprised by our observation of
“energy neutral” transmutation reactions.*



On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 9:16 AM Jones Beene  wrote:

> Invoking a nebulous QM effect to explain a macro phenomenon is not really
> useful.
>
> All I see here is that you have proposed an imaginary explanation with
> little relevance to large scale activity in the real-world. Feynman would
> balk at this mis-interpretation of his ideas.
>
> If there is to be elemental "transmutation" of non-fissile elements, which
> is normally extremely energetic, then there must be a real and testable
> underlying nuclear reaction and real data, but here with K and Na, none is
> proposed nor even imaginable.
>
> However...
>
> In the case of potassium transmuting into calcium (Kervran effect), which
> stands in stark contrast to the situation with sodium, there is actually
> presented a real-world underlying nuclear reaction of lower energy, and
> with tons of real world evidence  - with which to support the surprising
> claim.
>
> But with vastly different 

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino validation?

[Jones Beene]

 Invoking a nebulous QM effect to explain a macro phenomenon is not really 
useful. 

All I see here is that you have proposed an imaginary explanation with little 
relevance to large scale activity in the real-world. Feynman would balk at this 
mis-interpretation of his ideas.

If there is to be elemental "transmutation" of non-fissile elements, which is 
normally extremely energetic, then there must be a real and testable underlying 
nuclear reaction and real data, but here with K and Na, none is proposed nor 
even imaginable. 

However...

In the case of potassium transmuting into calcium (Kervran effect), which 
stands in stark contrast to the situation with sodium, there is actually 
presented a real-world underlying nuclear reaction of lower energy, and with 
tons of real world evidence  - with which to support the surprising claim. 

But with vastly different atomic weights such as between sodium and potassium, 
there is no credible expectation of transmutation, and ... in the end... 
contamination is the most likely explanation.

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Axil Axil wrote:  
 
 See my post above on this thread at
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Transmutation never produces any particles, radiation or energy  is not 
knowable  because of quantum mechanical superposition and Feynman's Infinite 
Quantum Paths theory. The state of superposition is only completed until the 
transmutation has long been completed..for theory details 
seehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSFRN-ymfgE


On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 6:20 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

 Axil,
Wouldn't that kind of transmutation involve releasing two alphas from the K 
nucleus ?
AFAIK that would be unknown to physics ... or what kind or reaction are you 
suggesting?


Axil Axil wrote:  
 The sodium lines seen in the grape microwave experiment may have come from 
transmutation of potassium into sodium, Grapes don't contain much sodium: 2mg 
vs, 176mg per cup