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Jed:You mean the heat magically jumped 70 feet, and then spread past two bunkers which were not on fire. What I recall - there were several fires in the bunkers on and off at different times; so a lot of heat damage. Jed:No marine architect, sailor or White Star Line official believed

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ROGER ANDERTON wrote: > I take it that the photo is not the best so doesn't show everything; and > heat was so bad at one time that it spread a long way. > You mean the heat magically jumped 70 feet, and then spread past two bunkers which were not on fire. That is physically impossible. > Well

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Jed: I can always be wrong. I take it that you are, because I'm not. I take it that the photo is not the best so doesn't show everything; and heat was so bad at one time that it spread a long way. Jed:Sailors seldom break regulations when they know it might well kill them. But put

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ROGER ANDERTON wrote: > So, you are not sure and only "think" and could be wrong. > Well, pretty sure. I can always be wrong. (I suggest you practice saying that to yourself: 'I can always be wrong.') I would have thought the heat from the coalfire would have gone along the > hull and be even

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typo correction -- Original Message -- From: "ROGER ANDERTON" To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, 22 Jun, 22 At 22:47 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bearden dead and cheniere.org gone Jed: So I think it was an artifact of the photo. So, you are not sure and only "think" and could be wrong.

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Jed: So I think it was an artifact of the photo. So, you are not sure and only "think" and could be wrong. I would have thought the heat from the coalfire would have gone along the hull and be even was where the photo was not showing it. The photo was supposed to be the only photo of the

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ROGER ANDERTON wrote: > It wasn't as massive a fire as you are trying to make out. > I have read about shipboard fires, shipwrecks, storms and other disasters. I have heard about such things directly from people who sailed on ships made before WWI. Any fire large enough to leave a 30' black

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typo correction -- Original Message -- From: "ROGER ANDERTON" To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, 22 Jun, 22 At 19:00 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bearden dead and cheniere.org gone Jed I found reference to the documentary - https://www.buzzfeed.com/kristinharris/titanic-the-new-evidence

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Jed I found reference to the documentary - https://www.buzzfeed.com/kristinharris/titanic-the-new-evidence It wasn't as massive a fire as you are trying to make out. The facts as presented by the documentary are disputed by some and there are alternative facts of course, as per all good

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ROGER ANDERTON wrote: > Jed:No one in his right mind would set to sea with a massive coal bunker > fire. > > > Exactly hence conspiracy > Nope. You are confused. There was no massive fire. If there had been, the whole ship would have been filled with smoke, as I said. Also carbon monoxide,

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Jed: Which is probably farther than you know. nah, you are making stuff up. Jed:No one in his right mind would set to sea with a massive coal bunker fire. Exactly hence conspiracy Jed: It would be obvious to everyone there was a fire. The ship would be filled with smoke. It was

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Jed: Then I suggest you read a dictionary. Don't see any big difference. this points out it is a vague term -> The concept of stigmergy was introduced by Pierre-Paul Grasse in the 1950's to describe the indirect communication taking place among individuals in social insect societies.

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add on Jed : "No one would say that people engaged in a conspiracy are only "acting in harmony toward a common goal."" I disagree, they would say something nice like that in the prep talks when join - that working towards a common goal. -- Original Message -- From: "ROGER

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Jed "Definition 2 only applies to inanimate objects, as an analogy." Doesn't say that -- no use of "only" there! So, you misunderstand definitions -- Original Message -- From: "Jed Rothwell" To: "Vortex" Sent: Wednesday, 22 Jun, 22 At 16:56 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bearden dead and

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ROGER ANDERTON wrote: definition 2 > > to act in harmony toward a common end > > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conspire > > > --> nothing about a conspiracy has to be unlawful or illegal > > > -> not your definition > You misunderstand. Definition 2 only applies to inanimate

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ROGER ANDERTON wrote: *Stigmergy* (/ˈstɪɡmərdʒi/ > *STIG-mər-jee* > ) is a > mechanism of indirect coordination > , through the

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ROGER ANDERTON wrote: > Jed: There were many coal bunker fires in the ships of that era. They > never sank a ship as far as I know. > > > So, as far as you know. > > > As far as you know > Which is probably farther than you know. As I said, I happen to know about ships of that era, mainly from

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Jed Well the problem here is what definition are you going by going by Merriam- Webster conspiracy definition 1 : the act of conspiring together https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conspiracy to know what conspiring means

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ROGER ANDERTON wrote: > There are open conspiracies - > That is a contradiction of terms. The dictionary definition of "conspiracy" is: "a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful." Dictionary.com "1 · a secret agreement to do something harmful or unlawful ; 2 · the act of

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Stigmergy (/ˈstɪɡmərdʒi/ STIG-mər-jee ) is a mechanism of indirect coordination , through the environment, between agents or

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Jed: There were many coal bunker fires in the ships of that era. They never sank a ship as far as I know. So, as far as you know. As far as you know - would they be so incompetent that they would go to sea with a massive coal bunker fire which they were finding impossible to put out? It

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so hey i found the craddock engineering phonenumber but i'm not sure how to proceed since i'm in finland. craddock engineering was founded by anthony craddock, a boss of energetic productions, that produced the energy from the vacuum dvd science series. and since both energy from the vacuum and

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Jed There are open conspiracies - H.G. Wells was one of the most influential visionaries of the early twentieth century. His many books, both fiction and non-fiction, inspired multitudes of men and women who, like Wells, looked to a “World State” as the savior of humanity. Although he wrote

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Chris Zell wrote: > Many of these things are technically not conspiracies, just stigmergy. That is a great word! I have never heard it. You learn something new every day. Here is another definition: https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Stigmergy Yes, the opposition to cold fusion was stigmergy.

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ROGER ANDERTON wrote: > Titanic sounds to me a conspiracy fact - it left port with a fire in its > coal bunker that could not be put out - that sounds to me that didn't want > the Titanic to survive the journey. > There were many coal bunker fires in the ships of that era. They never sank a ship

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmergy Many of these things are technically not conspiracies, just stigmergy.The US defeat in Afghanistan – after the longest war in US history, 20yrs+ - is one example. Congress, The White House, the mass media, the Pentagon lie and deceive for decades

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ROGER ANDERTON wrote: > This is getting too diverted. What you were saying sounded like a > conspiracy theory. > Perhaps it did sound like that, but it was not. Because -- 1. A conspiracy is organized and surreptitious. The opposition to cold fusion was unorganized and very much in the open.

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Jed This is getting too diverted. What you were saying sounded like a conspiracy theory. Titanic sounds to me a conspiracy fact - it left port with a fire in its coal bunker that could not be put out - that sounds to me that didn't want the Titanic to survive the journey. A series of