as far as I have enduerstood, CEA Grenble have replicated and checked
against more modern metrology.
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LonchamptGreproducti.pdf
but maybe I miss a point
2012/9/16 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
At 09:25 PM 9/15/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman
for the ethernal optimistixc about wikipedia, why not make wiki entries for
the business men, not supporting CF, following the official delusion with a
visible hypocritical view...
fr Rossi, I would avoid, because he is the worst ad for skeptics...
but put Robert godes, Truchard, Concezzi,
I've shown my open letter,
at least the first paragraph shoul raise doubt... seing National
instruments behavior...
but it did nothing...
no limit to self delusion.
2012/9/17 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
A video like this only raises awareness. It gets people thinking that is
all.
harry
Not so good for us.
The inquisitors that block LENr feel they have a sacred mission to protect
the population from manipulation and herery...
they will became even more fanatic.
I'm not too much afraid about greedy people, because they are a little
rational, more about honest closed minds.
The
this order is bad in real lifen and the rejection of LENR is caused by that
pseudo-rational pathology...
in real life the inventors discover a phenomenon,
try to make it useful...
if it work, they are happy and try to optimize until all is blocked... if
not they are blocked...
when they are
is it what is called cognitive bias?
the effect our cost to change.
However about many recent scandal, in fiance and science, I prefer the
theory of Roland Benabou (those who follow me know it is my pet subject,
like ZPE is for some)...
i shares some ideas but goes further.
Basically he state
Just an announce for contributors, this is an idea about making a wiki on
LENR...
http://lenrnews.eu/?p=797
If some want to contribute, or even manage kindly...
Our Wiki “lenrwiki.eu” start with it’s first article “Cold Fusion”.
The article is very incomplete, but the content is already very
I'll just add that Defkalion claims that after a pulse of few dozens of
joules the reactor have a heat after death during few dozens of minutes,
of few hundreds of joules.
It works for few days, but electrodes wears out... anyway I imagine that we
can eliminate chemical hypothesis after few
This desensibilisation (french term) was commonly used in the 70s in
France, but was slowly forbidden because of few accident and anglo-saxon
consensus against.
the does are far more than homeopathy, just like classic immunization dose
to trigger immune system, but very lightly, unlike
what you describe for poisons (like arsenic) is hormesis, but not
desensibilisation nor homeopathy.
the basic of hormesis is to activate the heat shock proteins so the body
can fight against some class of genotoxic aggression... work for some
poisons, radiation, sun, heat... Those HSP production
I know that list of patents (and companies beside)
http://www.fusioncatalyst.org/fusion-base/fusion-patents/
You can follow Rob Woudenberg on linked-in too...
2012/10/2 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Frank Gordon and David French are thinking of compiling a list of cold
fusion related
Does anyone here have information on the two other evenst that Daniele
Passerinit talk about :
1- Ugo Abundo team conference at IIS Pirelli on that 20th of October
2- and a very interesting, very high scientific value that seems leaked
by MISTERI commentator...
yes,
after collaboration with Kresenn, he is working with LENR Cars CTO (Antoine
Guillemin) for a replication under Fleishmann Memorial open replication
project...
If it succeed in a replicable toy experiment, it can convince.
I'm jusr afraid that it failed like Spawar replication kit... working
all I have is from the video of discussion of N Chauvin with a student on
you tube, and people commenting it.
2012/10/3 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
On 2012-10-03 08:50, Alain Sepeda wrote:
yes,
after collaboration with Kresenn, he is working with LENR Cars CTO
(Antoine
there is truths and error in boths , even moderate, vision...
I've read in the next convergence a much more rational analysis of how to
organize free market, social protection, regulation, protectionism,
currency manipulation.
one basic of that author vision is that the best way to increase
extreme and idealistic systems are often bad...
It is often hard for thos in the system to admit it, and roland benabou
have made a paper about that : belief in a just world and redistributive
politic
http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/BJW.pdf
what is sure is that human species is a social
Few ideas to add...
Some cogniticians have noticed the importance of the capacity of
curiosity and boredom in learning. Game is important too.
the kindergarten teacher gave us a pamphlet about kids education , and it
is clearly said the the job of kids is to play. (same for scientists IMHO).
I've heard that the story of overcutting trees causing and ecologic is a
legend.
it seems that too small civilisation collapsed because of a series of dry
years,while demography was too high.
This is a small isolated island, and a climate bad sequence caused a black
swan that swept the
A friend of mine is son of a gallery owners and painter.
He explain me the market of art, and it is like a pathologic market.
Art piece have no intrinsic value, and the job of a gallery owners is to
never sell below a given guaranteed growing price.
The reason why van gogh art is so expensive is
as far as I've read, the system changent recently in Italy, to match
others, so it might be misintepreted today.
Dottore Magistrale seems to be the title of Master Degree, and the tittle
of PhD students.
It seems as far as I've found, that in filosofia refer really to
philosophy study in Milan,
I don't understand and why so many people are suprised that to gain energy
yo need to feed a little (less).
It is classic for usual energy that you give energy first to settle the
good condition of energy production.
It is the case for wood in a barbecue... you need first to pyrolyze it,
then
Right.
I painfully have to admit that. just now.
8(
my recent human science experiments confirm your claims.
hard to swallow.
Especially when you see all the stupidities that are mainstream.
2012/10/17 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
My purpose is not to make the case that cold fusion is
2012/10/19 James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
Of course, we must always remember that theory precedes phenomenon.
Irony I hope?
Real I'm afraid.
In fact sure Real, I observed many times.
But since there is no peer-reviewed theory for that decadence of science
it should be non existent. ;-)
Names of the testers and the organizations they represent are still under
strict NDAs and have therefore been removed from the attached documents.
Defkalion will not disclose names.
http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=27t=749p=2692#p2692
My opinion is such, but I'm not expert, just trusting
as an exercise of young patent reader, after david French course I will try
to explain why I think it is not infringing.
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/FrenchDpatentsand.pdf
If David French can check my homework
it is not nanopowder of 3-20nm but micrometer nickel foam
as david french
what a security tragedy...
hopeful it is not Afghan war infiltrated agents list.
only the big boss of NASA might feel uncomfortable (yet happy secretly,
that they will be heroes soon, after bloody insults by the mainstream
scientists).
2012/10/19 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
On
maybe are the current constraints the fact that he is in the e-cat
board...???
about Rossi, clear that he is lying all the time...
on COP theoretically limited to 6
on RFG needed
on DGT having nothing
probably on sales and delivery of MW e-cats...
add to that his errors, that he does not admit...
I have no specific relation whith him, even if I appreciate greatly his
course on patent (yet I miss much of it probably).
Opinion from him, as he already have studied Brillouin patent, would be
great.
2012/10/19 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
Are you in touch with David? He seems to have
Wgat is happening of the LiFePO4 battery family.
It was looking very promising. Robust Li batteries that don't explode even
under fire, crash or explosion... comparable energy density. good power
density... good endurance...
are there other palyes ?
did A123 battery division colapse too? or is it
defkalion is more clear about that, and it look similar.
they drive the chamber with plasma excitation for few time, then for few
minute the reactor is not excited (told SSM for e-cat) When getting
cooler, it is excited again.
Cycle looks the same for E-catand Hyperion, but E-cat is just
Celani have interesting table showing progress in COP, density and power.
in fact the most important parameter is S/N for science, and density for
industrial applications. But good S/N is easier with high COP and high
power (easier to spot and identify an elephant in a living room, than a
mouse
Professionally I'm devastated to see that...
Technically very interesting. not much secret hopefully. Most was in their
ICCF17 article. Happy to see Potassium confirmed...
Human factor comments are very interesting. tell more than the measures.
Too bad it is fruit of the poisonous tree. no
The theoretical introduction seems strange.
the claim about spin incompatibility seems to ignore the neutrino in the
equation?
anyway, theory is not so important, experiment decide.
I'm a bit annoyed that so many papers focus on hypothesis, while the facts
are blatant and not accepted.
Is it
Thanks Abd for that clear explanation,
As usual you are very strict with the required level of proof.
I have gathered some data that I think valid, but please all here correct
me if I'm wrong.
As far as i know, NiH heat anomaly was known sine 89 with some ignored
experience by Piantelli.
in 93
yest copy/past copied the abbreviated label not the url
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DominguezDanomalousr.pdf
2012/10/27 Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com
The link to the NRL article doesn't work.
Thanks,
Jack
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
More
Your vision is quite common but I think it is incomplete and typical of
countries experiencing slow growth, slow productivity increase...
Read the next convergence
what you describe is the slow growth scenario.
In that case, the wealth concentrate slowly in few hands, that are
determined since
traditional society... especially by the predicted winners.
2012/10/28 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
A capitalistic forms of economic exploitation and domination can be
reproduced endlessly thanks to 'innovation'.
Harry
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com
I just found in a comment that piantelli patent :
https://register.epo.org/espacenet/application?lng=entab=doclistnumber=EP09806118filter=INCOMING
it seems to protect LENR in micro/nanopowder... some cristallography
discussion...
talking of H- ions... cerium catalyst...
Genie in a Bottle: The Case Against Cold Fusion
By Jennifer Ouellette | October 29, 2012 |
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cocktail-party-physics/2012/10/29/genie-in-a-bottle-the-case-against-cold-fusion/
on e-catnews there is a critic of report 41 that is too complex for me to
oppose without risk.
http://ecatnews.com/?p=2464cpage=3#comment-45607
here is the critic: can you comment...
Alain posted on October 29, 2012 at 6:30 pm:
if you don’t see there is something broken in mainstream
the cause is even more interesting
http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Groupthink%20IOM%207p%20paper.pdf
http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Patterns%20of%20Denial%204l%20fin.pdf
2012/10/30 pagnu...@htdconnect.com
I am totally perplexed by how many reports of anomalous emission
interesting you quote semiconductors, because LENr and semiconductors look
very similar in behavior, and in quantum nature. Mess in the lattice.
unreliable components at the beginning. ignored results at the beginning,
assumed experimental errors discarded
My school was training us to make a MsC
ssory to question from far away, but this have impact on us in EU.
what is the probable color of the congress, and your prediction. will it be
the same or not?
As I understand, a president without the congress cannot do much, not even
what his opponent would have done...
2012/11/4 Jed
2012/11/6 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Cold fusion has been suppressed. Not by powerful people at oil companies.
Not by evil people trying to preserve academic funding. No, it has been
suppressed by stupid people. Very Stupid People.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in
... the non-entrepreneur spirit...
2012/11/6 James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
Never attribute to mere stupidity that which can be explained by
unenlightened self-interest.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote:
2012/11/6 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Note the work of Serge Galam that recently try to explain the tied election
results
http://www.citeulike.org/user/xsongx/article/2506399
the factr seems to be contrarians, people who in discussion about politic
oppose the majority (whatever it is).
It is the opposite of the classical followers,
A serial innovator I'm in contact with, and who is working to make LENR a
vector of energetic transition, told me that there is no hope to convince
people until there is a working prototype that we can put on the client
table, and that clearly work, even roughly.
However as soon as we have a
, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote:
A serial innovator I'm in contact with, and who is working to make LENR
a vector of energetic transition, told me that there is no hope to convince
people until there is a working prototype that we can put on the client
table, and that clearly work
Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
However as soon as we have a machine on the client table, and that the
advantages for the client are clear, nothing can block people to use it...
no lobbies, no regulation, no fear...
I think that's incorrect
French:LENR Cities initiative to help LENR development (in France...)
On French equivalent of Linked In (viadeo) Michel Vanderberghe announce an
initiative LENR cities to help develop LENR in the society... It is
targeted to France.
Michel is currently looking for French labs interested in
I don't accept the claim that there is nothing done under conception.
I agree that there are still doubt whether there is existing conception of
LENR reactor, BUT there are clear evidence that there is probably such
conception done by first Defkalion (who claim enough problems you can
estimate
step further!
--
*From:* alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] *On
Behalf Of *Alain Sepeda
*Sent:* lundi 12 novembre 2012 10:52
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Reasons to be optimistic we will win the political
battle
what is their profile at ANS ?
Scientists ?(I mean the APS like, MIT like, Science/Nature Like)
Industrialists ? (Business)
Engineers (in the french meaning: link between science and industry,
between project and technology, between feasible and done)?
Applied scientist ? (a science version of
Even if my pseudonimity is no more secret, I would defend pseudonyms.
At worst someone could keep the real identity.
to be simple :
imagine that I say: my employer dump billions in a hole, and i don't want
him to know I know what he is doing...
Imagine I say : my neighbors will burn me like a
And please no group that have even claimed the possibility of life on Mars.
Moreove the claim have to be published and validated in peer reviewed
article from magazine who never pretend that possibility, and still do,
even after publishing.
without those constraints, science will take the risk to
right .
today it was american cooking day at the corporate restaurant... I remind
why.
2012/11/22 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:04 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
Anyway... happy turkey day!
I think Alain is in France.
Carrell
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*From:* alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] *On
Behalf Of *Alain Sepeda
*Sent:* Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:45 AM
*To:* Vortex List
*Subject:* [Vo]:E Mallove: LENR/Cold Fusion and Modern Physics: A
Crisis Within a Crisis ???
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Reading
between the demographic fears, debunked since decades (sorry, after 9
billion, humanity will reduce), the gibbs like it might be wrongly done or
use, so just don't do it, the various fear about healt,, environment...
and those existential fears tha get up to DoD or UNO, with debunked fear or
at least Defkalion with nelson can claim few hundred watt with good control
2012/11/27 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
For those, like Jed, who have watched the unfolding of the
BLP/Rossi/Defkalion saga... some of it having gone on now for 20 years
or more, it is
AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote:
the gibbs like it might be wrongly done or use, so just don't do it
You should read what I write more carefully: I didn't say CF/LENR
shouldn't be used but that possible unintended consequences should be
considered.
[mg]
From the info I have Wigner effect seems another bad excuse to reject more
simple facts...
however if it was true, such a huge storage (still unreliable like many new
technologies), would be a HUGE REVOLUTIOn in Science, in Engineering...
like we expected for LENR, it is evident that such giant
someone found a greek article about Defkalion...
manythings already said, but some interesting, if not huge claims
links and comments on lenr forum...
if some greek speaking can correct the translation on the forum, most is
not so clear.
(PS: I got a permanent fatal error from vortex-l)
thanks for the image... and also for the leak about STMicro (8o)
note that ST have been seen earlier
http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=37t=150p=461hilit=STMicroelectronics#p461
10th International Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen Loaded Metals
*10-14 April 2012 *
Hi,
I have followed the adventure of Brillouin, and heard of SRI...
For what i understand SRI is an innovation incubator of research results,
which is special because it does not reject LENR without looking...
I have heard other saying that it was created at the begining of CF
controversy to host
Ok, thanks for the confirmation that SRI is not dedicated to LENR, or too
much linked.
It is a generalist non-profit research center dedicated to innovation.
i was afraid thate there was a huge difference between the official
version, and reality..
Scientifically you are perfectly right, and i learned much about that
counter intuitive fact.
however we are not in a lab but in an open air psychiatric hospital.
the problem is not to convince scientists, but to convinces blinds stubborn
kids of 5 with a tenure.
The only way to convince the
My personal analysis about the psychiatry around LENr is that it is one of
the main key that caused that tragic saga... (the other is ego, and
matching fear of losing ones position, funding and peers esteem)
I've discussed with scientist on a forum and they maintain that science
allowed
if well made, and it seems , the smart power meter will integrate
intantaneous real power, thus will not be bothered by phase shift... (that
is the same job as shoul have done the Rossi and hydrofusion meters to look
less ridiculous)
the problem explained is just that new meter count watt that
Hi, I hijack a little that thread to ask you all, what are your various
opinion on their claimed technology of LENR to electricity direct
conversion (CIHT).
I don't see any other paper or lab results that are similar.
Anomalous heat, transmutation, and radiations are quite validated , but
device
Note thate ENEA with PdD proved the strong importance of crystalographic
structure.
One kind cause no heat, the other succed at 60%, and mix of two give mixed
results...
http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=54t=674
It seems that DGT discuss of that, increasing the number of surface sites
with
our capacity to use hiden channel of information to get data on other
people is surprising.
any actor know that if you don't feel what you say, spectators can see it
instantly.
more surprising it have been show that humans can detect som mental states
characteristics throug the walking move. In
Hi,
On 22passi, Danielle Paserini publish a paper from
INFN/Lecce/StMicrohttp://www.22passi.it/coherence2012/Nuclear_transmutation_in_Pd_thin_films.pdfabout
changes (transmutation, craters...) in thin films of PdD/PdH, with
laser excitation...
This paper was inside the JCMNS volume5 by JP
nice job, that remind me some hoover
I don't see yet if it can help LENR rockets...
basically it could make LiquixOXygen-Augmented Nuclear Thermal Rocket
design be simpler...
if someone can analyse if LENR will benefit from that...
2012/12/22 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com
yes,
I've also heard about a cyclonic cooling device...
2012/12/22 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com
wrote:
nice job, that remind me some hoover
Dyson?
On Dec 22, 2012, at 18:42, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
nice job, that remind me some hoover
I don't see yet if it can help LENR rockets...
I do not see what LENR (i.e. mostly speculation and fiction) has anything
to do with rocket engines (i.e. science).
My hoover
One thing to take into account is the rationality of the system...
if too rational no eccentric ideas is tolerated.
if a system is too strict about what is tolerated it will block innovation.
it is where Tenure system can help, or the fellowship that you find in
some big corps...
it is
I agree that it is not very good politic to convince.
however it is clear and true.
you should read the facts. i don't even understand how people can express
so much doubt, when not simple usual denial. just read the data, and remind
that consensus can be pathologic... history says so.
the
I I can be critic on LENR community, like on mainstream science community,
is that FG mania to focus on THEORY...
NOT HAVING A THEORY IS NOT A REASON TO IGNORE A FACT
you learn that when you are a kid interested in science...
Me too I want to be abrasive because it seems that most science
Just found some data on the company and the inventor.
http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?939-Patent-Ni-alloys-for-H-storage-amp-generation-of-energy-%28Target-tech-intl-Han-NEE%29p=3482#post3482
the company is from vancouver...
the inventor is the CEO.
No reference to LENR on their
Their idea is to use hybrid propulsion...
LENR have huge autonomy, but LENr and worse, turbines, have low power
density
Since peak power is huge with planes, while average is lower, it is
rational to store energy...
in the report they propose batteries...
you can find the old article about
my wife know that school.
it is a Jakarta dowtown secular state school...
the country is muslim, yet there is 6 religion allowed, yet mandatory (you
have to believe in one single god, with a paradise... that is the rule...
whichever it is is your choice, even if like US there are political group
ah ah... good professors and very strict say my (muslim) step-child...
my (muslim) wife confirm , and me too... if catholic religion disappear, we
have to keep the schools...
in Indonesia like in france, religious schools have to enforce mixing and
non-segregation
except madrassa in indonesia
This is something hard to accept for convinced people, but it is a great
principle.
The free speech constitutional principle seems very important...
LENR seems victim of an indirect restriction of free speech in science,
where inconvenient position lead to lost of funding, and blacklisting...
Those two rules are on a very good way, yet I propose slight deviation, in
the same spirit.
About Feeding a troll, or as said here someone sincere (jojo, MY, or me
sometime, or people whom I respect too much to name because I appreciate
their contribution - even if MY sometime was interesting)
This patent seems unrelated to LENR. Production of antimatter.
I don't see the immediate application, except for research (maybe that is
the goal, help accelerators have antiparticles in mass)
2013/1/9 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Akira Shirakawa
Oh...
too bad. His columns were nice.
2013/1/9 Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com
Unfortunately, Abd was one of the list's most interesting contributors and
commentators. So your decision, while nice on paper, effectively declares
victory for the troll. It's your list. But I'm outta here.
Jeff
ah... thanks for the info
how could you see that, I did not see any date...
too bad. anyway old story are interesting.
We just have to be less critical on JO, because at that time it was less
clear.
except in the scientific scene where there was a clear situation since
long... clear if you don't
on point is also that Defkalion is selling the technology, but depend on
joint-venture like Defkalion Europe and licensee to develop application,
then try to obtain certification, then to get into the market.
It is like IBM selling the technology of the yet smaller transistor to a
silicon
yes, renewable , except hydroelectric, is not yet cost effecive and need
huge progress.
It is still developed because some see no alternative.
as soon as an easy energy requires 10 times less investment than what is
needed for the cheapest energy, nuke, 100 times less than the worst
renewable,
the article is interesting but it critics only on 2 points.
the second is that energy is expensive, which mean that with LENR is not a
problem.
the second is that you can save water. it is true, and even more I think
that the fear of globally lacking water is a mythology fed by the usual
Is it related to the theory proposed in that report
http://webbshop.cm.se/System/TemplateView.aspx?p=Energimyndighetenview=defaultid=6d5bbc764d4942c89612bc9c5a9c4990
it seems different, but the orbiting of 2 nucleus together seems a common
point
2013/1/22 mix...@bigpond.com
In reply to David
2013/1/22 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
All patents are open-source, by definition. They are made public. They
have been since they were invented in the 1600s. That is the whole point of
a patent.
great remark.
without/before patent there is only NDA and trade secret.
only place
as explained in the wired, and as experienced in the 50s,
the automation will reduce some work, but create others that we don't
imagine, or we don't dare to.
there is also old need that will be covered better like elderly care,
better health care, disabled care, ...
vacation will develop (I don't
That is a general point about how governments manage transition.
They want to protect jobs, and existing industries, not to help things to
change to a better point.
as i repeat often it is well explained in the Next convergence as the big
problems with governments.
Laisser-faire and saving jobs
seems a possible direction.
I remember also that some reports claim that heat and radiation (???
neutrons or gamm, don't remind) are exclusives...
the multi-stage hypothesis seems credible.
and if the neutrons produced where simply neutrons too fast to merge with
hydrogenup...
2013/1/29 Jack
this is also the position of the writer on the next convergence.
Real policy for emerging countries is not laisser-faire, but TEMPORARY
protectionism, huge investment in education and infrastructure, support for
NEW industry...
and reinventing all, breaking the old model, every 10 years. also one
2013/2/1 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
I wrote:
People are a domesticated species . . .
I mean we have domesticated ourselves.
anyway there is always selective pressure, like there is gaz pressure
whatever is the container...
human, by losing many natural pressure (resuistance to
Hi, I fall on a patent that looks like Defkalion method of ignition
http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?1100-German-patent-found-looking-like-defkalionp=3836#post3836
(I OCR'ed and quoted the claims in english)
WO2006EP07882 EP1924387
warning VIRUS
2013/2/2 Greg Watson gowatso...@yahoo.com
http://www.bankers-corner.com/components/com_content/yaid352.php
2/2/2013 2:30:49 PM
Greg Watson
_
bet that this patent will not make any trouble to Defkalion's patenting
program.
Peter
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi, I fall on a patent that looks like Defkalion method of ignition
http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?1100-German-patent
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