Re: [Vo]:The WD Files on Rossi (3 of 4) - Interview Transcript June 9 2011
The intro was nice. But damn, "thanks" for the spoiling! Damn you!
Re: [Vo]:The WD Files on Rossi (3 of 4) - Interview Transcript June 9 2011
Not really humorous. I got interested in the story. But you spoiled the ending.
Re: [Vo]:The WD Files on Rossi (3 of 4) - Interview Transcript June 9 2011
If you thought the story was interesting, I did you tell the ending? I really got interested into it.
Re: [Vo]:The WD Files on Rossi (2 of 4) - Interview Transcript March 5 2011
My wife is a kind of medium. I don't believe that. But, anyway, she doesn't know English and cannot read what I am writing here, so, just ask Witch Doctor to tell her his true name and I will email it to you Steven, as a confirmation.
Re: [Vo]:Okay, suppose there is only 800 W input with no anomalous heat
Not convincing calculations. What is the density of water that can be sustained in droplets and what is the size of the droplets before they coalesce and rain back?
[Vo]:Estimating steam quality from visual flow appearance and speed.
I found this sequence of illustrations videos for a liquid at only 5C, showing the characteristic 2 phase fluid vapor/liquid with different qualities. Notice that while the pressure is low, the expected mist just happen for higher pressure and higher steam quality. http://www.wlv.com/products/databook/db3/data/db3ch1.pdf http://www.wlv.com/products/databook/db3/data/db3ch17.pdf I still didn't read them yet, but I am giving everyone a head start anyway.
Re: [Vo]:Estimating steam quality from visual flow appearance and speed.
*higher speed and higher steam quality
Re: [Vo]:Estimating steam quality from visual flow appearance and speed.
More at chapter 12: http://www.wlv.com/products/databook/db3/data/db3ch12.pdf The content table is here: http://www.wlv.com/products/databook/db3/DataBookIII.pdf But I cannot open the chapter from there, I found them either by google or changing the number manually.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to "movie professor" and Peter Ekstrom's analysis
Why are you subtracting the in Bologna if it was actually measured there?
Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to "movie professor" and Peter Ekstrom's analysis
BTW, the boiling point for water at 1016hPa is 100.1, according to this boiling point calculator (pure water) http://www.partyman.se/boiling-point-calculator/
Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to "movie professor" and Peter Ekstrom's analysis
So, the boiling temperature is 99.9C.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to "movie professor" and Peter Ekstrom's analysis
Mark, I put an entire book on 2-phase flow on this discussion list, 3 days ago.
Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms
The analysis of Ed Storm is consistent with the book chapters of 2 phase flows that I posted here another day. No one bothered to read that with attention and in case anyone does that will see that the only consistent solution is that there is at least 3200W of excess energy. The only way this could be a scam is by hiding an energy source, which also Ed Storm agrees with.
Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms
Wet steam just exist when there is a 2-fluid flow, this is why wikipedia talks about machines. Steam is dry.
Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms
Only inside the hose. Outside it, it is clean. Either way, both at horizontal and vertical inclinations of the hose, at 100C and 6m/s, no more than 15% of the mass can be in the liquid state without at least some kind of squirting be constantly be pouring out of the house.
Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms
This is why one should look at the general appearance of a 2 fluid flow to draw a conclusion.
Re: [Vo]:Feedback, formally - Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms
> > Off topic: > Steven, > I sent you an email, did you receive it? >
Re: [Vo]:Electric generator configuration described [Copy 2]
I only found this substance with a boiling point of 414C: http://msds.chem.ox.ac.uk/TR/tris(2-ethylhexyl)trimellitate.html http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=18725 Synonyms: 1,2,4-benzenetricarboxylic acid tris(2-ethylhexyl) ester, trioctyl trimellitate, tri-2-ethylhexyl trimellitate, TOTM, Hatcol 200, Kodaflex TOTM, Monosizer W710L, Morflex 510, Staflex TOTM, Trimex T 08 It has almost the same density of water.
[Vo]:Perfect simulation of e-cat with 1200W, for Lewan's video.
Take a look at this video, simulating steam production at 1200W with a 4m long hose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVwINedGR_Q It does look like the swedish's magzine video, NyTeknik, including the weird sounds, around 1200W: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8SeOteFPtM What do you think?
Re: [Vo]:Perfect simulation of e-cat with 1200W, for Lewan's video.
The woven works at 1700W.
Re: [Vo]:Perfect simulation of e-cat with 1200W, for Lewan's video.
The original post is here: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.energikatalysatorn.se%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D2%26t%3D143
[Vo]:E-Cat explained by Yeong E. Kim, prof. physics at Pardue Uni.
The preprint is out and he refers to the january and march's demonstration: http://www.physics.purdue.edu/people/faculty/yekim/BECNF-Ni-Hydrogen.pdf It was announced on July 4th on this post, http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=497&cpage=14#comment-50600, but it wasn't available at the time.
Re: [Vo]:UFOs Over London
Not photoshoped, but a good visual effects video. Probably promotional viral video for some movie, in the style first person style of amateur filming like Blair Witch Project or Cloverfield ... I LOVE THESE KINDS OF MOVIES!!! :D There is a weird date at the corner, 12-06-11, where the filming was made, with a line "This is the life". I searched for this, and I am not the only one to think like this: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13093231500A39040100&page=1 YAY! :D
Re: [Vo]:UFOs Over London
The video dates June 24th, 2011... so it doesn't make sense... Perhaps it is another date, chinese/japanese numbering, June 11th 2012.
Re: [Vo]:First Photo of Mass-Produced e-Cats?
This proves that if this is a scam, a lot of people are on it together!!! > > Any thoughts? >
Re: [Vo]:First Photo of Mass-Produced e-Cats?
There is no reason to sit and say it for so long, in a daily basis, in these wonderful claims without either being a scammer or all being true. I cannot think that any kind of decent physicist would exist in an intermediary category.
Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement
My wife got this email from AR: Dear Marcia, I never said that we have a contract with the University of Uppsala. Professors of the University of Uppsala made test with our apparatus, but without a contract. It has been a free, indipendent test. We are in contact with the University of Uppsala for possible future R&D. Warm Regards, Andrea Rossi
Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration
Hmm, I wonder if Krivit was really telling the truth and he played tricks on Rossi. On his website, Rossi said that there wasn't an output of 4KW: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=497&cpage=9#comment-47686 Dear Marcia Pires: ***4000 kW is a power we never reached. The speed in our hoses of course depends on their diameters and on the energy we produce. You can calculate yourself an example: take a 4 kW Cat, means you have about 6 m^3/h (cubic meters per hour), then you make v=q/s, where q is the flow in cubic meters per hour, v is the speed in m/h (= meters per hour), s is the area of the section in m^2 (square meters). The section of the hose is 0.0004 m^2. Your the calculation. (correct answer: 4.166 m/s= four point onehundred sixtysix meters per second, say four meters per second plus something). Of course must be added the expansion due to the Gay-Lussac Law (becomes around 6 m/s in total, depending on the delta T). Warm Regards, A.R.
[Vo]:Definitely proving cold fusion.
People, I had an idea. Any nuclear process releases neutrinos. In LENR, even in small experiments, it seems there is a neutrino flux comparable or bigger the Sun irradiates the Earth. (200billion neutrinos/cm^2). So, why not making an LENR experiment close to a big neutrino detector, like the kamiokande?
Re: [Vo]:Definitely proving cold fusion.
Any link to the experiment?
Re: [Vo]:Fleischman watches online rossi coverage
The title is misleading. The topic is not about Fleischman watching the coverage, this was just a note in the beginning of the article. The article is a actually about an email interview with Brian Josephson and his online Q&A video.
Re: [Vo]:Antigravity- Easy Experiment-via Youtube
That is certainly a trick. The poster of the video wrote himself the label "trick" .
Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat
I found some "Julian Brown" here: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360&cpage=7#comment-21219 He starts a long discussion here: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=497&cpage=5#comment-44502
Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat
I did not find any name Julian Brown related to EPO, except for an inventor with this name: http://www.google.com.br/search?q=site:www.epo.org+julian+brown&num=100&hl=pt-BR&safe=off&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&rlz=1I7GGLL_pt-BR&prmd=ivnso&filter=0&biw=1280&bih=653 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=653&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.patentepi.com+julian+brown&oq=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.patentepi.com+julian+brown&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=16288l69643l0l69909l21l20l0l14l0l0l3439l5215l8-1.1l2 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=653&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.suepo.org+julian+brown&oq=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.suepo.org+julian+brown&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=3345l18046l0l18303l21l20l0l12l0l0l2996l2996l9-1l1 http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&biw=1280&bih=653&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fpublic.ffpe-epo.org%2F+julian+brown&oq=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fpublic.ffpe-epo.org%2F+julian+brown&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=286423l291031l0l291599l19l18l0l12l0l1l930l2463l6-3l3 http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&biw=1280&bih=653&q=%22EPO%22+%22julian+brown%22&oq=%22EPO%22+%22julian+brown%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=57848l59018l0l65115l2l2l0l0l0l0l1299l1299l7-1l1 http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&biw=1280&bih=653&q=%22EPO%22+julian+brown&oq=%22EPO%22+julian+brown&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=12759l13371l0l14336l2l2l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0 http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&biw=1280&bih=653&q=%22patent+office%22+julian+brown&oq=%22patent+office%22+julian+brown&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=19600l21618l0l21780l13l8l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0
Re: [Vo]:Krivit could be correct on Rossi
Julian Brown seems to be a clown. At least he is what you guys call a "pseudoskeptic".
Re: [Vo]:Krivit could be correct on Rossi
BTW, I refer to the Julian Brown of the EPO, not this one: http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1878
Re: [Vo]:Krivit could be correct on Rossi
It seems that this EPO's Julian mentioned that he worked at Oxford during the 80's, to make some kind of smoke screan with Julian Brown from Oxford. They do not have anything to do with each other: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&rlz=1I7GGLL_pt-BR&q=%22J.S.Brown%22+EPO&aq=f&aqi=&oq=
Re: [Vo]:Krivit could be correct on Rossi
So, why does he uses the Oxford address? That doesn't make sense since the EPO's Julian, according to himself, was just in Oxford only during the 80's.
Re: [Vo]:Krivit could be correct on Rossi
Did you read my following messages?
Re: [Vo]:Krivit could be correct on Rossi
Also an email from Oxford, included in a paper 18 years after "he left" the institution.
[Vo]:How can we make sure that 1MW e-cat is true?
Dear people, How can we make sure that 1MW e-cat is true during a presentation? It is certainly not hard to emulate the e-cat performance at home with 600W, 1KW or maybe a laboratory with a 5KW source to heat water. But for a fake e-cat, it would be required 140KW to 1MW to emulate the big e-cat. If this is a scam, we won't have the means to know that easily in October with the presentation of the big e-cat.
Re: [Vo]:How can we make sure that 1MW e-cat is true?
I don't know if I wasn't clear or I am just not understanding you. I am not actually questioning if the whether the objections would apply or not but how we could objectively object by looking at videos or reproducing small demos. Even 140KW is a bit too much of steam or even heated water to make sense in terms of house hold objects.
Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat
If Rossi was a scammer, he'd never accept this kind of visit or would make a more decent presentation like he did with Lewan or would just remain silent. This explosive behavior makes me think that e-cat is true... Unless he is simulating a true behavior to hide a scam. This is a kind of recursive thing. BTW, one thing that always bothered me about Krivit's video it is that there is a long time cut from the time between Rossi pulls out the hose from the wall and when he shows the steam against the black t-shirt. Maybe Rossi decreased the steam rate to avoid harming people there?
Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat
So, can you confirm that Julian Brown from the European Patent Office is the same as the one of this paper: http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1878 ? -- Forwarded message -- From: Jed Rothwell Date: 2011/7/18 Subject: Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > (He also told me this.)
Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat
One of these Shakespears: " http://www.192.com/atoz/people/brown/julian/ ". Some of them are also physicists with very exotic tastes, like this one: http://www.amazon.com/Minds-Machines-Multiverse-QUANTUM-COMPUTER/dp/0743242637/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311024667&sr=8-1 It could be someone also just lying about his identity.
Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat
I am not sure if you could do this procedure in any place. In not all places the accused is allowed to produce evidences against his/herself. > If Brown didn't say what Rossi claims, I'd > suggest Brown may want those recordings *immediately* subpoenaed. If he did > say that, and if what he said was, in fact, illegal, slinking quietly away > may be in order. What I do *not* recommend is slinking away if he didn't say > those things, because he could easily suffer the damages anyway. Brown > already requested that his blog comment be removed, because of the hassle, > or something, already appearing.
Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat
In one of my comments, I put a website that lists people with given names up to 200. There are over 200 "Julian Brown"s in the UK, that is, they exceed the maximum amount allowed to be displayed in the website. So, that is a common name.
Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat
The meeting took place in Bologna. The thing that could happen is Brown accusing Rossi of defamation and show a picture of the website as a proof. If Rossi didn't present defense, the purported recordings, he would get a sentence. No need for a subpoena.
Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat
According to Rossi, high output of heats does yield a lot of radiation, I think gamma radiation. I think he said somewhere that he had to stay 30m away from the e-cat so that radiation were not harmful. I am not sure of this.
Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat
I am not referring to US, but to Italy, since I suppose they have a criminal Law similar to my country, Brazil.
Re: [Vo]:Vortex Could Go Down July 25th
The discussion lists on Yahoo never had a slow response time to me... I am ok with that.
Re: [Vo]:FWIW
This looks like a Brazilian soap opera! LOL! :D
Re: [Vo]:Vortex Could Go Down July 25th
What about a forum instead of a discussion list?
Re: [Vo]: e-Cat patent sealed for 9 years!
20 year from the day the patent was filled in... But Rossi's was in 2009, so, that's more 18 years...
Re: [Vo]: Prof. Kullander now an Ecat critic?
No, not critics. The director of those Swedish physicists denied there was a contract, Rossi also denied that, and in fact what will happen is a collaboration of the professors of Bologna and Uppsal to develop the e-cat.
Re: [Vo]: Prof. Kullander now an Ecat critic?
Not really, but it refers to a post of Krivit. We discussed that last week :)
Re: [Vo]: Prof. Kullander now an Ecat critic?
This is not very different from what Krivit did...
Re: [Vo]:Calibrating a pair of K-type thermocouples
200W from the hose and 200W from the e cat structure, at lest. 100Watt to heat the water 0.3g/s. So, if the output looked like a 800W steam from a stove, we have 500W of excess power. Could be more, but probably Rossi didn't want to harm Krivit, just show that steam was being made.
[Vo]:Radiation Shielding test for LENR.
According to some theories of LENR, like Lewis Larsen, there is a layer on the surface of the metal which strongly shields against radiation. Did anyone try to put inside the metal some radioactive particle or try to irradiate it from outside to see if that really works?
[Vo]:Greek (and from other country's authorities approved the e-cat.
"They will receive the licence to sell their products in greece in september, however xanthoulis said that in another country the licence is already acquired (he didn’t said witch one)". Sounds like it is a mere bureaucratic wait. So, we have also the Greek government involved in the scam, if it is one.
Re: [Vo]:Greek (and from other country's authorities approved the e-cat.
Source: http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/07/19/more-details-from-defkalion-gt-president-alexandros-xanthoulis/
Re: [Vo]:Radiation Shielding test for LENR.
The dineutron or polyneutron theory belongs to Fisher: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/FisherJCoutlineofp.pdf W-L. is just a 1-neutron theory. Anyway, it gives weird results, for example, the resulting materials should be very radioactive.
Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement
Damon, This is what I tried to explain before. Discussing about wetness of the steam is a moot point. The mass of liquid in any of those video is visually less 5%, if that much. More than that, the liquid hose would pour bubbles. But forget about it, people won't listen to this. It seems they forgot these experiments can still have hidden power sources.
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat open source replication
Brad, Shouldn't an EM be applied into the powder? Loading with gas only won't work.
[Vo]:Proving LENR with Uranium 238
I was wondering of why not using Uranium to show once for all that LENR exists to all skeptics. Most Uranium of it is U238, and is nearly stable, with a half life of 4.5billion years. Doing an Arata like experiment with it will yield a considerably high quantity of radioactive ramains, given that almost all isotopes of any element near mass weight of 238 have short half lives.
[Vo]:Jed Rothwell and Krivit's video
We, from the list, are well aware that Jed Rothwell has some inside information about the validity of the e-cat. Despite that, I haven't seen him clearly manifest about the feeble steam output of the hose in the e-cat video. The merit is not on the quality of the steam, even if has 0% liquid water, it still looks like a 800W. To lose over 3000W from that hose, which measures 4m, the temperature of the steam should be way over 120C, the upper limit of the temperature it can handle, more like above 450C. I tried to think about the possibility of Rossi decreasing the output power so that nobody got hurt, after all, all he was asked to show that there was a high quality steam out of the hose. But he never defended himself in that way. So, Jed, what is your reason to think that video does not make the e-cat a fake device?
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat explained - Final chapter for steam controversy
The difference between 4.4KW and 0.8KW was not visual, the former didn't seem to put much more steam. The difference was more in the intervals between bubbling noises. They seem to scale inversely linearly with the power.
Re: [Vo]:bell soon to toll for Rossi debacle, Steven B. Krivit definitive technical review, with able collaborators, due in a few days: Rich Murray 2011.07.29
He did not make one comment about the video, but wrote 2 long posts about his visit, heh.
Re: [Vo]:Thermal losses through insulator
So, according to this: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/3709appendixa4.shtml We have 383W for the hose and 100W inside the hose. If the flux is 1.5g/s, we have 75*1.5*4.184 = 470.7W to heat the water up to boiling point. The total loss is around 950W. The alleged output is 4700W , so we have 3850W out of the hose. If all just comes from the wall power plug, we have 800 - 483 = 317W available to heat water. So, the quantity of steam is x=317/(75*4.180 + 2260)=0.12g/s. If the output steam looks like a 800W boiled water, we have 0.35g/s out of the hose. The energy to boil that is 75*0.35*4.180= 110W. So, we have a total of 380+100+110+800 = 1390W. So, a gain of 75%.
Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3
"Anyway, the demonstration was unclear and there is not much point to trying to analyze it in detail. I cannot understand why Rossi does not do a more convincing test." Oh, Jed, now even you are doubting!
Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3
Oh, I see, only about Krivit's test. But I thought you'd like to go visit Rossi even before that test.
Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3
Makes "no sense" is a word too strong. I guess you are leaning to think he is a crank. Well, if you Jed, throw in the towel, I will do it too, since you are a huge fan and supporter of LENR for over 20 years.
Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3
Yeah, Rossi might even be a scammer, but Krivit made a very weak argument there and it gives me doubts about the reliability of his report. I've had neighbors whose (small) companies' offices were their own apartment.
Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction
I don't see any problem with 130KW, given it was just a spike in power with a base at 18KW, which is measured by the amount of steam poured. That means a 7 time increase in speed of the steam for some seconds. It probably blew as strong as a vacuum cleaner.
Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report
Oh! So the 18 hour test did not involve phase change, no steam! This is surely amusing since one can hardly falsify that so easily with people that are used to the usual tiny LENR effects. HAHA! This is certaily AMAZING! So, if this is a scam, well, it is a HUGE ONE. Now, Rossi really did convince that he has something HUGE, for good or for bad, and he will not be forgotten that easily!
Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction
Yeah, I saw that later and acknowledged that in the other thread about 18 hour test. Answer me there :)
Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction
I was thinking about a thick hose, anyway :)
Re: [Vo]:Re: [e-cat] Engineer from delta ohm confirms that galantini instrument is useless
Let me get this simple to you. You are WRONG. There is the probe and there is the instrument itself. The instrument itself just responds to whatever analogical electric signals the probe sends. And it is basically a calculator and makes stores this signuals The instrument is called ***HD37AB134*** MANUAL: http://www.deltaohm.com/ver2010/uk/manuali/HD37AB1347_M_15-12-2010_uk.pdf and you are talking about the validity ranges of the probes P37AB147*** and the P37B147* The instrument can be connected to A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROBES*** which, among them, includes (PAGE 64, you can see the list of all probes supported) HP474ACR which goes up to 150C. It is even stressed that the probes are ordered separately.
Re: [Vo]:Re: [e-cat] Engineer from delta ohm confirms that galantini instrument is useless
> By knowing the RH, you will know the steam quality, adding temperature and output, you will find the pressure inside the chamber.
Re: [Vo]:Re: [e-cat] Engineer from delta ohm confirms that galantini instrument is useless
Yes, he measured the pressure. He doesn't need an instrument specific for that. You don't need an instrument for every data you want to find. For example, even in any big particle colliders you don't see all of the resulting colliding particles. You reconstruct the the trajectories and the energy and deduce what kind of collision happened.
Re: [Vo]:Re: [e-cat] Engineer from delta ohm confirms that galantini instrument is useless
There is no need for literature. If you have 1bar or less and any temperature above 100C, with 0% RH, you have no liquid water in any kind of gas, even if that gas is steam.
Re: [Vo]:Re: [e-cat] Engineer from delta ohm confirms that galantini instrument is useless
The probe can work util 150C. It doesn't need to be that one that measure pressure directly.
Re: [Vo]:Re: [e-cat] Engineer from delta ohm confirms that galantini instrument is useless
> > This is the reason why you need to know only one measured variable > from E-Cat and that is the temperature of steam. You need also RH to make sure there is no mist.
Re: [Vo]:Re: [e-cat] Engineer from delta ohm confirms that galantini instrument is useless
No, not a circular demonstration. Steam is dry because P=1bar, and T>100 cosidering that the measured RH=0.
Re: [Vo]:Re: [e-cat] Engineer from delta ohm confirms that galantini instrument is useless
But if you say RH=0, it is dry. If there is mist it will point a non null RH, if there is bubbling, there will probably be a short circuit and the value of RH will saturate or very wildly.
Re: [Vo]:Re: [e-cat] Engineer from delta ohm confirms that galantini instrument is useless
No, you misunderstood me. I am talking about the need for the RH quantity, to make sure that there isn't enough liquid mass to invalidate the output power.
Re: [Vo]:Re: [e-cat] Engineer from delta ohm confirms that galantini instrument is useless
I just read about relative humidity. It I was wrong about the measurement of RH. It will be 1 all the time given the measured steam above, without, is already saturated steam. So, only the T will make sense.
Re: [Vo]:Re: [e-cat] Engineer from delta ohm confirms that galantini instrument is useless
The high powered tests were done with a lot of liquid water instead of showing steam.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi and Defkalion Split-up?
5 of what timezone? What blog or newsource?
Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split
NyTeknik maintains that the liquid mass is at most 10% (steam quality at least 90%) and because of this there is no significant error in measuring the heat output using the steam.
[Vo]:Press release from Defkalion:
Statement from Defkalion Green Technologies, August 8, 2011. The invention of Andrea Rossi received international doubt due to its ground-breaking nature having the capacity to change the global energy sector. Tremendous efforts have been made by Andrea Rossi to establish credibility for his invention as well as by Defkalion to support him in this endeavor. During the months since January 2011, both interested parties (Andrea Rossi through EFA and Defkalion Green Technologies) have received very strong international pressure and to many degrees business traps from banks, financial partners, etc. to cancel the project. The business implications of this project on international energy interests are tremendous and have created tensions establishing a business-as-unusual environment. Defkalion maintains its capability to handle these pressures, and stands next to Andrea Rossi who is apparently also facing similar challenges. Defkalion believes in Andrea Rossi, his invention, and the ability to successfully bring to the world this revolutionary invention where society will benefit from cheaper energy, and so too the planet from cleaner energy. Any project with such dire and earthmoving implications is bound to face difficulties – this was expected and has been, to-date, faced bravely and carefully by Defkalion Green Technologies. We remain confident in the future, we remain confident in our long-standing partnership with Andrea Rossi, and we remain committed to materialize the project – despite all the existing and continuing pressures to discredit and eliminate the work done by Andrea Rossi and Defkalion Green Technologies. - - - Note: Ny Teknik received this statement from Defkalion Green Technologies via e-mail on August 8, 2011. http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3228643.ece/BINARY/DGT+Statement+8+August+2011.pdf *Despite Rossi's statement* Defkalion has no intention to stop the project. "We believe we have a project. We continue the project. We still have a lot of trust in Mr Rossi. We believe in the technology. But as you understand we are receiving a lot of pressure, also Rossi is receiving a lot of pressure internationally. And we believe that Rossi is more vulnerable than us to pressure. This will be fixed I believe", Alexandros Xanthoulis, representing the investors told Ny Teknik. http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3228376.ece
[Vo]:Stremmenos' answer.
>From Daniele Passerini's blog: (google translated) http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2F22passi.blogspot.com%2F2011%2F08%2Fstremmenos-sulla-rottura-tra-rossi-e.html
Re: [Vo]:Stremmenos' answer.
*"Ch Stremmenos* The writer in hierarchical order, has sought to pursue in his life and humbly serve the following VALUES: - scientific truth and its contribution anthropocentric ... ... - The values of culture, democracy, human civilization and environmental health as it develops. - My home country, Greece is not in parochial, but diachronically as a figure, bearing the above values. For what concerns the first point, for intellectual honesty can confirm that based on my past experience, as the work of many other colleagues who have studied after 89 cold fusion or "nuclear reactions in the solid state", aiming primarily demonstration of the existence of the phenomenon and its reproducibility was poor in all known to us.Ever since I converted, leaving the loaded electrolyte and opting for a more clean, ie the loading of nickel hydrogen gas (parallel research with S. Focardi and others), we believe that the phenomenon of nuclear fusion to Solid-state was a scientific fact but nothing more. Remained low production of excess energy, if the good reproducibility of the phenomenon was gradually improved ... ... The unique method that far exceeds the above-mentioned problems and that makes nuclear reactions in the solid state, *exploitable in the industry* is that of Mr. ANDREA ROSSI in close collaboration with Prof. Sergio Focardi. A landmark event both for the prospect of gradual satisfaction of the energy needs in the world for the potential barrier that keeps us from the point of *no return* on climate change on the planet ... ... I witnessed and participated in part, to the numerous tests and measurements, all performed with *success in Bologna,* not the one described in my informal relationship to the Greek government (07.07.11). In the presence of Mr. Rossi, Prof. Focardi, Dr. Bianchini, the writer, we found, as in all other evidence, the absence of radioactivity (a slight increase within the allowed limits, measured by Dr. Bianchini) and the production of thermal energy of 10.6 kWh / h, *largely self-sustained.* The numerical calculation made by Mr. Rossi, it coincides perfectly and is in *perfect agreement* with my analytical calculation (through a special computer program) that rigorously evaluates the fundamental function *enthalpy with general validity.* Mainly because my interest is and remains my contribution in the scientific and political level to encourage entrepreneurship and technology transfer Rossi in Greece, as I said earlier, my home, of course I regret this breach of origin *purely* ... *financial* ... With the firm belief that those who have given this technology era, deserves absolute respect and consideration, I am consoled by my inclination to always look with optimism character the forest and not the individual tree ... " cordial greetings Ch Stremmenos 2011/8/8 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson > > From Daniele Passerini's blog: (google translated) > > > > http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2F22passi.blogspot.com%2F2011%2F08%2Fstremmenos-sulla-rottura-tra-rossi-e.html > > Can someone translate the contents and post it out here. The site is > blocked at some business establishments. > > Regards > Steven Vincent Johnson > www.OrionWorks.com > www.zazzle.com/orionworks > >
Re: [Vo]:Stremmenos' answer.
Looks like the Witch Doctor was right at least about a few things, like Rossi still looking for support.
[Vo]:The dream is over?
So, we now are aware that one of the parties, either Rossi's or Defkalion, has been telling big lies. That makes everything questionable. So, I think it is safe to say that, true or not, Rossi's device is at a dead end.
Re: [Vo]:The dream is over?
I think it is difficult to think that Rossi was not aware of what was written on the Defkalion's forums by the their staff: - They have build working systems -- kilowatt scale and megawatt scale. - Their design for the reactor is different than yours, but is fully functional. - They never obtained an output of less than nineteen times the input, with their reactors. - As of a month ago they were in the middle of pilot production of their Hyperion systems. - These systems have underwent tests by the Greek government the first ten days of July. - At peak, they have tested one thousand Hyperion kernels at one time, producing a large amount of heat they share with a nearby police academy. (The list was summarized here http://pesn.com/2011/08/08/9501888_Betrayal_Catalyzed--An_Open_Letter_To_Andrea_Rossi/ ) I think it is more likely that Rossi is lying right now than Defkalion.
Re: [Vo]:The dream is over?
So, at the very least, Rossi erred by omission, a very bad one, by not dismissing Defkalion's claims of massively testing e-cats. So, he blatantly associated with liars and cheaters.
Re: [Vo]:The dream is over?
I am not talking about something personal. Just that there was at the very least a scam from Defkalion.
Re: [Vo]:The dream is over?
Jed, I meant dismissed before he split out of Defkalion. He was okay with them lying while there was promise of money from Defkalion. If that was some minor detail, that would be alright, like releasing date, some fine detail about the working of the machines. But, they lied about everything! They built a forum just to spread lies in Defkalion's website. Also, Stremmentos was part of the board of directors of Defkalion, and he is one that tested the device. So, the whole things sounds fishy now to me.
[Vo]:Defkalion doesn't need Rossi's catalyzer
Dear all, I haven't seen any announcement from Defkalion regarding terminating their business, so the only conclusion I can have it is that they don't need the secret catalyzer. Do you know of a way to confirm that?
