Re: [Vo]:2nd Law proved not valid, ignored by West

Looks like this experiment demonstrates a process which converts heat energy into electrical energy. This has already been observed when thermal radiation is emitted by a warm body. Also, electrical energy can be captured from a resistor surrounded by a heat sink. I am not sure why the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

This entire episode leaves me with a sour taste within my mouth. Perhaps it is time to take a rest from researching LENR until matters improve. So much hope dashed! Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell To: Vortex Sent: Wed,

Re: [Vo]: MFMP starting to test me356 reactor today

I agree with you Brian. This is quite disappointing. Dave -Original Message- From: Brian Ahern To: Vortex Sent: Sat, May 27, 2017 12:03 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]: MFMP starting to test me356 reactor today Jed is being too generous. His

Re: [Vo]:quantum thermodynamics and the Second Law--

n its actual value reflecting Planck’s constant, h. ( I am not sure I understand your comment regarding classical physics.) Bob Cook From: David Roberson Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 11:29 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum thermodynamics and the Second Law--

Re: [Vo]:quantum thermodynamics and the Second Law--

Of course, in classical physics linear momentum and angular momentum are orthogonal to each other and can not be exchanged within a closed system. Dave -Original Message- From: Bob Higgins To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, May 20, 2017

Re: [Vo]:flying cars on the horizon

I would love to have a flying car, especially when within the DC area. My major concern is that we have far too many lawyers ready to sue any new technology offering. Don't you think that some form of immunity to unreasonable lawsuits might be required for any small to mid sized companies

Re: [Vo]:Cap Warp - McCandlish

very likely possible with a circular capacitor? There is a lot of evidence that circular things and circular arrays of things can do things that are extraordinary and unexpected by a single element. This is not out of reach, it can be explained. John Berry On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 1:

Re: [Vo]:Cap Warp - McCandlish

John, I found the documentary most interesting. Thanks for including the link. Dave -Original Message- From: John Berry To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Apr 22, 2017 6:36 am Subject: [Vo]:Cap Warp - McCandlish I think this group has lost

Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

Could this process be similar to the situation where positive feedback and a small input can be used to control a large amount of heat? It may be plausible that magnetism of a bulk object can be fine tuned so that a small external field addition coaxes it into a negative resistance region that

Re: [Vo]:On this date ... in 2017?

Good luck and be careful! Dave -Original Message- From: Brian Ahern To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2017 10:14 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:On this date ... in 2017? It is 1;12 aM wE ARE LOADED, EVACUATED AND READY FOR 30PSI OF h2. wE WILL

Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

Brian, That is the most interesting characteristic to me as well. It seems logical that if the outside surface is cooler than the ambient that heat energy must be entering the Billet. Where this energy goes is the main question I would like to see answered. Of course we realize that energy

Re: [Vo]:Penon described the position of flow meter

Jed, Does your diagram show how the floating device in the system tank controls the intake water flowing into it? Also, does it show that the customer feed tank is located above the system feed tank so that water flowing into the second or system tank literally falls into it? There are a

Re: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

When a hot object radiates IR into space the temperature also drops. Perhaps there is a low frequency form of magnetic coupling that can be encouraged to do a similar thing. According to my observations there seems to be a method available to convert energy among the different forms under

Re: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

Brian, I also find it quite interesting that the outside of the device cools down as electrical energy is extracted via coupling to its magnetic activity. The very good news that I detect is that thermal energy actually appears to be absorbed and then converted into electrical energy. This

Re: [Vo]:Defining the active particle of an LENR runaway

to magnetic fields such that energy can be transferred between them. A great example of the application of this coupling means can be found at the exit gates located at many grocery and drug stores. Dave -Original Message- From: bobcook39923 <bobcook39...@gmail.com> To: David Ro

Re: [Vo]:Defining the active particle of an LENR runaway

nons as well as photons. That is why I am fascinated by LENR. The Manelas energy output with ferromagnetic ferrite cores is also fascinating and not understood by anyone yet. From: David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 6:12 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject:

Re: [Vo]:Defining the active particle of an LENR runaway

Bob, When you mention the attenuation coefficient for waves I think it should be pointed out that the original energy of the phonon is preserved. By this I mean that the sonic energy is converted into some other form such as heat which I think of as just uncoordinated sound waves that are

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy press release

Any time you employ a short pulse based ignition source you are going to have a tough time proving the input power is accurately measured. As you guys discuss, this might be the source of serious errors and must be carefully discounted. If the pulse rate is sufficiently fast they might be

Re: [Vo]:The dark side of dense hydrogen

I have a question about a recent experiment that you might be able to shed light upon. It was reported that gravity waves originating from a pair of black holes joining together were measured with a certain expected wavelength. If gravity traveled much faster than light, how could this

Re: [Vo]:EM Drive need not be outside the spacecraft

The conversion that you speak of is not as simple as it seems. If linear momentum is all that you have in the beginning then any generated angular momentum will always have an opposite brother that exactly negates the total when vector summed. Of course this is only true for a closed system.

Re: [Vo]:EM Drive need not be outside the spacecraft

Linear momentum and angular momentum are orthagonal to each other within a closed system. Each is conserved separately and one can not convert into the other. I have seen where linear momentum can be induced to generate two or more angular momentum components, but the vector sum of the system

Re: [Vo]:EM Drive need not be outside the spacecraft

at have been done to show the effect werenot somehow botched. I'm not holding my breath on this one. On 12/28/2016 02:02 AM, David Roberson wrote: Russ, Can you verify that the Chinese actually have a functioning EM drive on their s

Re: [Vo]:EM Drive need not be outside the spacecraft

Russ, Can you verify that the Chinese actually have a functioning EM drive on their space station. Also, how much thrust are they claiming? Finally, is that device or group of devices capable of maintaining all of the orientation required for the station? Dave -Original

Re: [Vo]:Newtonian Gravity and General Relativity inside a spherical shell.

I was thinking more of a thought experiment than an actual lab test. As you are pointing out, to realize an actual valid experiment would be very difficult. But, scientists have actually performed experiments that one might think impossible due to noise, temperature, etc. such as detecting

Re: [Vo]:Newtonian Gravity and General Relativity inside a spherical shell.

I agree that a phase shift would occur due to normal path length differences. What I am wondering about is whether or not that basic shift would have an additional component that depends upon the magnitude of the gravitational mass contained within the sphere's shell assuming that the path

Re: [Vo]:Newtonian Gravity and General Relativity inside a spherical shell.

Interesting question. Since the frequency of a photon increases as it gains energy on the way into the hollow gravitational sphere one might expect time to speed up for it. If it is allowed to pass through another hole on the other side the time rate would return to the original value once it

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Possible generation of heat from nuclear fusion in Earth’s inner core

It is refreshing to see this crowd finally beginning to see the light. This recent conversion experience does not however relieve them of their previous guilt. I understand why you harbor your feelings towards them, but at least now LENR might begin to get the attention that it deserves.

Re: [Vo]:Article: Diamonds turn nuclear waste into nuclear batteries

e stimulates multiple hole-electron pairs across this junction. This type of beta voltaic battery is extremely inefficient in converting the energy in the beta particles into output electrical energy. On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 12:13 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: Much depends

Re: [Vo]:Article: Diamonds turn nuclear waste into nuclear batteries

Much depends upon the terminal voltage that you must convert into a useful value. My suspicion is that the open circuited voltage is very high, making it difficult to use in simple applications. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l

Re: [Vo]:Article: Diamonds turn nuclear waste into nuclear batteries

If Brown were able to get large currents at a modest voltage, he would be onto a very valuable produce. Of course, if it costs a fortune to manufacture that would not be true. Dave -Original Message- From: Chris Zell To: vortex-l

Re: [Vo]:Article: Diamonds turn nuclear waste into nuclear batteries

I did not see a reference to the open circuit voltage or short circuit current obtained during these tests. Has anyone found a reference? Also, where are the electrical terminals? Dave -Original Message- From: Jack Cole To: vortex-l

Re: [Vo]:Article: Is dark energy a real thing?

Does this mean that a few Nobel prizes were awarded a bit premature? Are they ever recalled once proven in error? Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Oct 26, 2016 12:21 am Subject: [Vo]:Article: Is

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

com> Sent: Fri, Aug 26, 2016 5:59 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation On 08/26/2016 05:40 PM, David Roberson wrote: I recall Rossi discussing power control on numerous occasions. Why would he hire control experts if that were not the

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

Jed, I worry that you are placing too much emphasis upon that rust stain. It would be wise to speak with an expert from the company that makes the device to determine if they agree. Also, you should be able to get additional information about that stain from the witness. He should be able

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

all the facts are on the table. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Fri, Aug 26, 2016 5:17 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 4:01 PM, David Rober

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation On 08/23/2016 12:27 AM, David Roberson wrote: > Rossi is using a feedback system to control the heating of his modules Is this known to be a fact? Has Rossi actually described in some reasonably clear way, rather than just giving a handwa

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

On 08/26/2016 02:04 PM, DavidRoberson wrote: I have been pursuing my model as to how Rossi mightbe able to show gauge readings that imply that 1 MW of steam isbeing delivered while not being an accurate assessment of thereal power.

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

-Original Message- From: Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Fri, Aug 26, 2016 3:44 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:07 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: The cour

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

The court will decide what it believes to be true. I personally want to know what the real truth is and not what lawyers are able to convince the judge or jury of. If Rossi is actually delivering the 1 MW then he should prevail in an ideal world. Dave -Original Message-

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

I have been pursuing my model as to how Rossi might be able to show gauge readings that imply that 1 MW of steam is being delivered while not being an accurate assessment of the real power. I assumed that the information published by Engineer48 in E-CATWORLD.com is accurate. Here he reads the

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

t; Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2016 8:29 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation On 08/24/2016 08:14 PM, David Roberson wrote: Just consider what you would believe if shown that the steam readings 102.8 C, and 0 bar w

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

o the output power. What more do you need? BTW note that there was no flow meter in the steam line. That would have been diagnostic (had it been chosen to workcorrectly with either steam or water, of course). On 08/24/2016 06:45 PM, David Roberson wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

!! Naw, that is not something that I would ever consider seriously. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2016 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation David Rober

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

it. Dave -Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence <sa...@pobox.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2016 4:18 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation On 08/24/2016 03:31 PM, David Roberson wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

- From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2016 3:47 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: Actually that is not a problem when you use feedback. The feedback wil

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

. That is a non issue. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2016 3:16 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: It appears tha

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

Your first point supports the idea that the control would need to exist within each of the sources at an elevated temperature. I assume 130 C. Water leaving all of the units at such a controlled temperature would deliver a constant power if the water flow rate were constant. This is not to

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

esting Steam Calculation On 08/24/2016 12:29 PM, David Roberson wrote: Stephen you are assuming a design that is far different than Rossi's previous devices. For most of the recent demonstrations Rossi had his thermal generation components cont

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence <sa...@pobox.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2016 11:58 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation On 08/24/2016 11:19 AM, David Roberson wrote: That is not entirely true because

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

AA, even an ERV can be mistaken which everyone needs to realize. If Rossi is indeed supplying 1 MW to his customer then he needs to be compensated. On the other hand, a significant amount of evidence is being presented that this may not be true. I have been developing a possible scenario

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

u don't need "active feedback." The steam escapes the reactor shortly after being formed On 8/24/2016 12:33 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 08/24/2016 12:03 AM, DavidRoberson wrote: As I have stated, if

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

e separator in the system to assure nocarry-over. Bob From: David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 9:27:19 PM To: v

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

to be super heated. The steam tables tell you nothing about liquid phase carry-over in a dynamic flowing system. Normally there would be a moisture separator in the system to assure no carry-over. Bob From: David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 9:27:

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2016 10:06 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: Where did the pressure of 15.75 psi abs come from? I thought the pressure of

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

. The Rossi 1 MW system might operate as supposedly reported by the ERV, but many on vortex are convinced that this is not true. We need to determine what the real facts are. Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

Dave-- Where did the pressure of 15.75 psi abs come from? I thought the pressure of the 102C dry steam (assumed) was 1 atmos.--not 15.75 abs. I think your assumed conditions above 1 atmos. were never measured. Bob Cook Bob, I used a steam table calculator located at

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

/20/2016 1:51PM, David Roberson wrote: Today I made an interestingcalculation that some may find relevantto the ongoing discussions

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

On 8/21/2016 12:55 AM, David Robersonwrote: Thanks for the information. But AA, a pump by itselfdoes not regulate the level of the water. There must besome form of active level feedback applied in order for this

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

From: a.ashfield "a pump byitself does not regulate the level of the water. " what is the point of having all those digitally controlled pumps if there is no control?

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

ect: Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation If you look at the my original reference showing a link to photos of Engineer48 on Ecatworld, it shows the many precision pumps for eachTiger that maintain the correct water level in the reactors. AA On 8/20/2016 3:40 PM, Da

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

esting Steam Calculation That would mean the Tiger E-Cats would have to be completelyflooded. But the level gauges don't show that. Why not suggest pixie dust? On 8/20/2016 1:51 PM, David Roberson wrote: Today I made an interesting calculation t

[Vo]:Interesting Steam Calculation

Today I made an interesting calculation that some may find relevant to the ongoing discussions. According to steam tables, the following could be possible, assuming that I did not make a mistake in my calculations. Assume you have 1kg of water inside a solid container at 130 C and 39.2 psi

Re: [Vo]: Jed's flowmeter comments chanllenged.

Bob, I agree with your assessment. Rossi works in strange ways that are beyond normal comprehension. Dave -Original Message- From: Bob Higgins To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2016 3:36 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]: Jed's flowmeter

Re: [Vo]: Jed's flowmeter comments chanllenged.

19/2016 3:01 PM, David Roberson wrote: It appears that the most likely explanation required to prove the experiment was faulty was to assume that mainly hot water was the output of the ECAT system. If this is to prevail, it is necessary for some

Re: [Vo]: Jed's flowmeter comments chanllenged.

It appears that the most likely explanation required to prove the experiment was faulty was to assume that mainly hot water was the output of the ECAT system. If this is to prevail, it is necessary for someone to offer a reasonable explanation as to why no one observed this problem during the

Re: [Vo]:angry and sad LENR comment but info too!

low. Bob Cook From: David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 2:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:angry and sad LENR comment but info too! I agree that it would be better to improve the fraud. You have to wonder why he did not at least go to that

Re: [Vo]:angry and sad LENR comment but info too!

thw...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Fri, Aug 12, 2016 4:39 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:angry and sad LENR comment but info too! David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: So, it would not surprise me too greatly to find that Penon became extremely bored making

Re: [Vo]:angry and sad LENR comment but info too!

Let me mention a real life occurance that I have witnessed. The FCC requires AM and FM transmitters to maintain their RF input powers at a certain level. Many years ago I noticed that the technicians would take a glance at the voltage and current meters every so often to enter that

Re: [Vo]:angry and sad LENR comment but info too!

Good idea. We need to understand what mechanisms are possible. Perhaps MFMP can monitor the AC input power to the motor as a function of the pipe fill. That may be a simple way to verify the flow meter readings to a first order. I am assuming that these guys connect both the proper pump and

Re: [Vo]:angry and sad LENR comment but info too!

Jed, perhaps your IH sources made a measurement of the AC power being absorbed by the system pumps. They could compare these numbers against the published tables to get an estimate of the actual quantity of fluid being pumped through them. This technique would appear to offer a second reality

Re: [Vo]:angry and sad LENR comment but info too!

the schematic was the ultimate configuration thatwas used. I'll try to find it in the archives. Jack On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 3:36 PM David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com>

Re: [Vo]:angry and sad LENR comment but info too!

Refer to the figure 1 schematic from Goat Guy's example. Quick questions. Is the device referred to as a water reservoir sealed or open to the atmosphere? Also, why would much additional water be added to the three water storage devices once the system were in operation for a long period?

Re: [Vo]:angry and sad LENR comment but info too!

the schematic was the ultimate configuration that was used. I'll try to find it in the archives. Jack On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 3:36 PM David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: Jed, I do not see any obvious reason why the flow meter can not be lower than the reservoir. Do you have some for

Re: [Vo]:angry and sad LENR comment but info too!

Jed, I do not see any obvious reason why the flow meter can not be lower than the reservoir. Do you have some form of schematic that supports what you are describing? Dave -Original Message- From: a.ashfield To: vortex-l Sent:

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

arlier about vapor in the line effecting the flow meter neglects that the return from the customer is into aholding tank @ 60 - 70C. Water drawn from that would not have freevapor. On 8/9/2016 9:38 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Da

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Jed, what did the IH guys present during the actual test period say about the meter readings? They appear to be a party to the deception unless they can verify that the readings were not reasonable during their watch. Both groups should have something to say about the daily readings during

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

rtex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2016 9:42 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: As I stated, I have many concerns about his system. On the other hand, I have a much more positiv

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

question. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2016 9:38 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com>

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

9/2016 01:00 AM, David Roberson wrote: You fail to understand. I am seeking a reasonable explanation for the error in the flow rate that Jed is assuming. That is the scientific way to explain his belief without just plain guessing. For some reason you

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

ou have *no* goodinformation on anything about his "experiments" and any analysis isunlikely to get you anything useful. On 08/09/2016 12:43 AM, David Roberson wrote: As I stated, I have many concerns about his system. On the other

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

eter reading was anomalously high and the heat wasmuch lower than a megawatt, or the meter reading was moreor less bang-on, and there was a megawatt of heat being dissipatedsomewhere. But not both. On 08/08/2016 11:52 PM, David Roberson wrote: OK, interesting concept. I

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

er described in court document On 08/08/2016 11:39 PM, David Roberson wrote: I would hope that you could be convinced that Rossi is telling the truth if he were to present a solid scientific proof to that fact. Is that not giving him the benefit of the

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

d accumulate in the flow meter, if no system to elimate bubles is developed. 2016-08-08 21:32 GMT-03:00 David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com>: I agree, the pump might actually lower the pressure at its input enough to allow the water to vaporize if the flow is restricted ahead of the gauge. Dave

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

ect: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document On 08/08/2016 08:27 PM, David Roberson wrote: I suppose that Rossi may not be telling the truth as you have concluded, but I am attempting to give him the benefit

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

I agree, the pump might actually lower the pressure at its input enough to allow the water to vaporize if the flow is restricted ahead of the gauge. Dave -Original Message- From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2016

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2016 7:57 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: Jed, you post Mats Levan's statement as proof f

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Jed, you post Mats Levan's statement as proof for your conclusion that the flow rate was exactly 36,000 kg/day. I just read his article and it clearly says that this is the average rate of flow for the test period. How do you draw the conclusion from his article that the rate is exactly the

Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual energy

Robin, It is my experience that the coupling falls off as 1/r to the third power at large distances. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 12:04 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:The principle of the mutual

Re: [Vo]:A relevant patent application

Exactly my thoughts as well. I suppose the patent trolls might be gearing up for a big legal battle to come. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2016 5:37 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A relevant patent

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

remain out of reach. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2016 1:37 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1 David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: Could you d

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

Jed, Could you direct me to a site that contains the test data that you are referring to? Also, I would like to find out exactly what equipment was used for the testing. Are either of these items available to download at any location that you are aware of? Also, How many hours long is the

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Saga Part 1

This is a civil case. No one is guilty on either side. Criminal law does not apply so let's forget about the issue of innocent until proven guilty. Dave -Original Message- From: a.ashfield To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Jun 4, 2016 5:09

Re: [Vo]:The most mysterious star in the universe

One would think that the astronomers have cataloged enough stars during the original research project to know how the variable ones behave. Of course it is entirely possible that what they are seeing is a rare form of variable star like you are suggesting. I wonder what would happen if a

Re: [Vo]:Rossi vs I.H.

Guys, I am confident that all of us would love to see LENR advance and become a very important energy source in the near future. Jed has been a tireless supporter of the field for many years and I appreciate his posts to this list. Mr. Ashfield has also made many important contributions that

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

Air must come into the building to replace the heated air that is exhausted. Is there evidence for the existence of an input opening adequate to achieve this requirement? Are all the doors and windows closed? Dave -Original Message- From: Daniel Rocha

Re: [Vo]:Details of the Thermacore runaway in 1996

This situation seems to be following the theory that the heat is generated throughout the volume of the material while it escapes through the surface area of that mass. Volume varies as the cube of the linear dimension while surface area is proportional to the square. With this thought in

Re: [Vo]:Details of the Thermacore runaway in 1996

Jones, Is it possible to find another source to back up what you are describing in this event? A second written record would be fine if available. I have not heard of that particular thermal run away reaction that you have listed below but would find it interesting to follow up on. The

Re: [Vo]:Validity of E-Cat 1 MW plant test

I am in agreement with what you two are suggesting. Why should Rossi not allow the other parties to see how the heated water is used? This fact seems damning. I would not accept this condition either. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell To:

Re: [Vo]:Validity of E-Cat 1 MW plant test

Jed, Do I understand that you have seen the actual test data and have determined that zero power in excess of the input is achieved? This is a strong position that you are taking and should not be stated without absolute certainty. I am waiting until I see the proof before drawing such a

Re: [Vo]: MFMP GS5.3 - a replication

Guys, lets hope that the radiation does not escape the system if we ever want to see any of these units become adopted in large numbers. Be careful what you hope for! I would be far more satisfied to find that the original measurement was not accurate. If this radiation signal is for real,

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