Re: [Vo]:Covid back yard well project progress report

2020-08-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
Maybe this

https://www.usgs.gov/special-topic/water-science-school/science/artesian-water-and-artesian-wells?qt-science_center_objects=0#qt-science_center_objects



On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 10:35 AM Frank Znidarsic  wrote:

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> To: mixent...@aussiebroadband.com.au 
> Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 10:33 am
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Covid back yard well project progress report
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> The house has been here for 70 years no collapse yet.  I have found that
> the water only comes out when it has rained a lot.  Its like a rain spout
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> I have not given up.  I would like to use this water to water a garden net
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> From: Robin 
> To: Frank Znidarsic 
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> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Covid back yard well project progress report
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> In reply to  Frank Znidarsic's message of Mon, 3 Aug 2020 00:52:20 +
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> >I jack hammered down 6 feed then I drove a well point the rest of the way
> in to 21 feet or more.  At first I got this.
> >http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/sucks.mp4
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Re: [Vo]:The Solution is in Your Bar?

2020-04-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
https://arxiv.org/abs/2003.12444


Re: [Vo]:Solution to the Pandemic! And the next one...

2020-04-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
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> Solution, 222nm UVC light
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Re: [Vo]:Solution to the Pandemic! And the next one...

2020-04-18 Thread ChemE Stewart
Damp conditions, dew buildup, pollution and damage to insulators/lines all
reduce the local breakdown voltage.  The strong electric field is ionizing
N2 and O2 in the air and producing ozone and NOx which by themselves are
not healthy long term. The ionization is also releasing broad spectrum
electromagnetic pollution from high frequency UVc down to low frequency
radio noise. It is most likely the high frequency UV range doing the
cellular damage over time nearby.

Fairly consistent research results showing increased rate of leukemias near
high voltage transmission lines but little evidence low frequency EMR can
cause it.  I expect it is the high frequency UV spectrum and it is
dependent upon local weather and line conditions.

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/lymphoma/news/20050602/child-leukemia-again-linked-to-power-lines

If special UVc cameras are detecting the radiation that implies it is
reaching the lens/ground & biology

https://youtu.be/NsSXjFMHIuU

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8727300











On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 2:11 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I had a friend who lived for 30 years with high voltage transmission lines
>  at the edge of his property in Spokane County.  He died about 6 or 7 years
> ago from two separate cancers.  His son who lived with him in his home  (30
> years his junior) also died of cancer within a month of his father.  All
> the cancers were of different types.
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> My friend would comment how the lines would *crackle* in humid
> conditions.  I always assumed it was steam explosions of small water
> droplets.
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> movement of large animals.
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> *From: *ChemE Stewart 
> *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2020 6:23 AM
> *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Solution to the Pandemic! And the next one...
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> Time elapse UV emissions from high voltage transmission lines.
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> https://www.ultravioletphotography.com/content/index.php/topic/763-power-lines-in-uv/
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> Broad spectrum UV light pollution is a common occurrence on exposed high
> voltage systems and unhealthy long term to biology at much of the UVA,UVB
> and UVC range
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> Fortunately it only occurs when air is damp, pollution builds up on
> lines/insulators, insulators/lines are cracked/damaged, or bird
> crap...which is much of the time
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> Solution, 222nm UVC light to sterilize the air, surfaces, skin, masks,
> clothing in supermarkets, on the street, everywhere!
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U4DAQ3kjRs
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Re: [Vo]:Solution to the Pandemic! And the next one...

2020-04-18 Thread ChemE Stewart
Time elapse UV emissions from high voltage transmission lines.

https://www.ultravioletphotography.com/content/index.php/topic/763-power-lines-in-uv/

Broad spectrum UV light pollution is a common occurrence on exposed high
voltage systems and unhealthy long term to biology at much of the UVA,UVB
and UVC range

Fortunately it only occurs when air is damp, pollution builds up on
lines/insulators, insulators/lines are cracked/damaged, or bird
crap...which is much of the time

Scares the shit out of reindeer also and has led to Santa re-routing
delivery routes.

https://slate.com/technology/2014/03/power-lines-and-animals-flashing-uv-light-scares-reindeer.html










On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 7:34 AM Jonathan Berry 
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> Solution, 222nm UVC light to sterilize the air, surfaces, skin, masks,
> clothing in supermarkets, on the street, everywhere!
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U4DAQ3kjRs
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Re: [Vo]:Weaponizing coronavirus

2020-04-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
Right after I finish testing my 365 nm blacklight surrounded by my glow in
the dark velvet Elvis posters and listening to Linda Ronstadt music

I notice these scientist are funded and employed by the company that sells
the lights so it must be true...at least in a military academic industrial
complex paradigm.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10715762.2019.1603378?journalCode=ifra20

I hope it doesn’t kill my good bacteria, I need those.



On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 3:49 PM Axil Axil  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U4DAQ3kjRs=em-uploademail
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> This video claims that UVC light (222 nm) will kill virus but not affect
> other cells due to cell size compatibility to the wavelength. Please
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> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 3:05 PM ChemE Stewart  wrote:
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>> Sneezing with a deadly weapon?
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>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 2:21 PM Frank Znidarsic 
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>>> "There is no greater cause that helping each other to survive."
>>> Governor Wolf Pennsylvania.  Now lets us stop it with these evil ideas and
>>> move in a more positive direction.  To you who started this discussion what
>>> were you thinking?
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>>> Frank Znidarsic
>>> atheist
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>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Frank Znidarsic 
>>> To: vortex-l 
>>> Sent: Fri, Apr 17, 2020 1:44 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Weaponizing coronavirus
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>>> Weaponizing corona virus.  Are you kidding me?  You are all going to be
>>> on a Federal watch list and no fly list!
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Re: [Vo]:Weaponizing coronavirus

2020-04-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
New crime:

Sneezing with a deadly weapon?

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 2:21 PM Frank Znidarsic  wrote:

> "There is no greater cause that helping each other to survive."  Governor
> Wolf Pennsylvania.  Now lets us stop it with these evil ideas and move in a
> more positive direction.  To you who started this discussion what were you
> thinking?
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> Frank Znidarsic
> atheist
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> -Original Message-
> From: Frank Znidarsic 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Fri, Apr 17, 2020 1:44 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Weaponizing coronavirus
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> Weaponizing corona virus.  Are you kidding me?  You are all going to be
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Re: [Vo]:Weaponizing coronavirus

2020-04-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
No, actually corona discharge should help kill the virus.  Just stand
beneath a 500,000 volt transmission line when it is damp outside and
snapping and crackling and emitting UVc and you may be cured of Coronavirus
years before you come down with leukemia.

So you can thank electrical engineers!


On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:30 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

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>> The military industrial complex is sterilizing all of us with UVc
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Re: [Vo]:Weaponizing coronavirus

2020-04-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
The military industrial complex is sterilizing all of us with UVc
radiation @ 260 nm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N1hb9ZXyhs

Let's party.


On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:56 PM H LV  wrote:

> Nuclear radiation has been tried. It destroys the virus, but degrades the
> mask's filtering ability. It effectively changes an N95 into an N30.
> Apparently an N30 is sufficient for doing surgery.
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>> way, thousands could be done in a few minutes
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>> local asymmetry = temporary success
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Re: [Vo]:LRNR and EMF BIOLOGICAL EFFECTS SCIENCE, SIMILARITIES of TREATMENT OF SCIENTISTS

2020-03-04 Thread ChemE Stewart
Non-ionizing can still be oxidizing(moving electrons) and trigger oxidative
stress on biology, which can be harmful.

Here is an example of strongly ionizing electric(electron) field
radiation.  The resultant ionization of N2 and O2 is also generating high
frequency ionizing 260 nm electromagnetic(photon) field radiation as well
as oxidized by-products (NOx and Ozone)

Bad stuff for ALL biology.

https://youtu.be/6N1hb9ZXyhs




On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 2:32 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The following link describes a situation regarding  “science” pertinent to
> regulation of the world- wide IT industry like that reported on this blog
> demonizing LENR scientists  It starts at   at 2:05 into the presentation’s
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Re: [Vo]:Space Force Patch

2020-01-24 Thread ChemE Stewart
https://dai.ly/xmagzq

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Re: [Vo]:There is no dark matter. Instead, information has mass, physicist says

2020-01-24 Thread ChemE Stewart
This place is mostly of entropy, radiation and hot air...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)


On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:51 AM H LV  wrote:

> quote << Vopson says, "He [Landauer] first identified the link between
> thermodynamics and information by postulating that logical irreversibility
> of a computational process implies physical irreversibility." This
> indicates that information is physical, Vopson says, and demonstrates the
> link between information theory and thermodynamics>>
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> Classical mechanics since its inception contained no arrow of time. This
> set the stage for perennial crisis of time in physics which has never been
> resolved. IMO, it is not enough to question the foundations of quantum
> mechanics and relativity. We have to reboot physics from the 16 century
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Re: [Vo]:[OT]Catching mice-- trap design and rad waste D& D

2019-02-19 Thread ChemE Stewart
Or, you can just throw some peanuts into the trap and wait for your iPhone
to tell you when you have a victim...no sticky messes to clean up

Victor M2 Smart-Kill Wi-Fi Electronic Rat Trap Victor
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07875MKM7/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_awdo_t1_ITlBCbZCM29QP

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 9:01 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

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Re: [Vo]:Tidal power

2017-10-27 Thread ChemE Stewart
You missed the part where the tens of thousands of fish died the same week
the turbine was put into operation.

http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/1428745-studies-lacking-in-bay-of-fundy-fish-kill-say-fishermen

That particular model is putting a strong magnetic field (1,200,000 nT)
through the open, conductive saltwater gap, between rotor and stator.
Things corrode very quickly when you put a voltage in seawater.  All of
their sacrificial zincs were gone when they pulled the turbine after a few
months.  While it was connected the first 3 months I calculated it only
supplied enough power to the grid to power a few household treadmills.

I guess it is more environmentally friendly to be killed by green energy.



On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 10:25 PM, Jed Rothwell 
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> The potential energy from tides, waves and the Gulf Stream is immense.
> People have known that for a long time. There have been many attempts to
> tap these sources. They have failed because the ocean environment is so
> challenging. Ships and boats require constant maintenance. My father, who
> grew up among them on Long Island and Bermuda, said that a boat is "a hole
> in the water into which you pour money."
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> A large generator was installed there in 2009. It failed *within days*.
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> of-fundy-turbine-electricity-emera-hydro-1.3862227
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> simulations, immense knowledge of engineering, materials and so on, yet
> this machinery failed as quickly as the first transatlantic cable did in
> 1858! Because putting things under the ocean is difficult. H. G. Wells was
> a technophile yet in 1901 he said, "my imagination refuses to see any sort
> of submarine doing anything but suffocate its crew and founder at sea."
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> megawatt-scale installation failed within days is telling. It's telling you
> this is a lot harder than it looks.
>
> Tapping a flow of fresh water in a stream or river is a lot easier. People
> have been doing that for ~2,500 years.
>
>


Re: [Vo]:Burger robots to replace burger flippers

2017-09-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/communities/north-county/sd-me-harmony-doll-20170913-story.html

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:12 AM H LV  wrote:

> ​Btw, a so called "burger flipper" isn't hired just to flip burgers. Even
> if you had an unlimited budget with current technology you could not build
> a robot to perform all the tasks a "burger flipper" does at a restaurant.
>
> Harry
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:43 AM, H LV  wrote:
>
>> Of course they are doing it to make money and they don't care if their
>> products put people out of work. The point is employers aren't going to use
>> robots in the service sector if the robots are more expensive and/or less
>> flexible​ than a human. I think most people on the list are unaware of how
>> subservient labour has become over the last 30 years with stagnate real
>> wage growth, the decline of unions and labour codes being rewritten to
>> allow for a more flexible workforce.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Jed Rothwell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> H LV  wrote:
>>>
 the other automation you speak off will proceed slowly as long as
 social security for "working age" men and women is linked to paid
 employment.

>>> The people developing this technology are doing it to make money. They
>>> don't care whether their products put people out of work.
>>>
>>> Let me be blunt and say that I developed many software products which
>>> put people out of work. I was automating work that was previously done by
>>> people. I knew that. Everyone knew that. It did not slow us down. To be
>>> honest, it did not bother us. We did it to make money, and to save the
>>> customer money.
>>>
>>> At present, Amazon.com is taking jobs away from enormous numbers of
>>> people in retail. Far more than the total number industrial workers, or
>>> miners being put out of work by the decline in coal consumption. Retail has
>>> lost about 100,000 jobs from October 2016 to May 2017, which is more than
>>> the total number of miners. ". . . [D]epartment stores have lost 18 times
>>> more workers than coal mining since 2001."
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/the-silent-crisis-of-retail-employment/523428/
>>>
>>> This is deeply regrettable for the people losing their jobs. I hate to
>>> think of it. I sympathize with them. I hope society can help them, and I
>>> hope they find other employment. But I am not going to stop using
>>> Amazon.com. I seldom went to malls in the past, and I am going to go to
>>> them now, out of charity. I do not see how anything can slow down this
>>> trend, and I do not think it would be a good idea to try to slow it down.
>>> Amazon.com will not do anything to "ensure security" for "working age men
>>> and women." No corporation would. Any corporation that tries would be
>>> bankrupted by the competition. That is how capitalism works.
>>>
>>> Capitalism cannot solve this problem. Society as a whole must address
>>> it. I doubt there are any clean, neat, quick or inexpensive solutions.
>>>
>>> - Jed
>>>
>>>
>>
>


Re: [Vo]:The lights are going out all over Georgia . . .

2017-09-11 Thread ChemE Stewart
So in a way you are saying "Due to the sudden increase in entropy
surrounding hurricane Irma and the arrow of time (nature tends toward an
increase in entropy), Florida's new power grid became old really fast."

Just checking to see how my new model fits, seems OK so far.

Or another way "Hurricane Irma broke chiral symmetry and Florida's power
grid"

The real test will be to see how quickly power is restored, hurricane Wilma
took 3 weeks.  I bet it will be longer.







On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 4:00 PM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> There has already been an interesting article published about the Florida
> power company problems. This article says there is widespread damage
> despite the fact that Florida Power & Light has one of the most
> storm-resistant and modern grids:
>
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/09/floridas-largest-utility-west-floridas-electrical-grid-will-need-a-wholesale-rebuild/539328/
>
>
> QUOTES:
>
> More Than 10 Million People Lost Power in Florida
>
> Thanks to Hurricane Irma, the southwest of the state’s electrical grid
> will need a “wholesale rebuild.”
>
> Hurricane Irma slammed the west coast of Florida on Sunday, making
> landfall first in the Keys and then at Marco Island, 15 miles south of
> Naples. Since then, it’s been making its way northward, visiting
> destruction on the state as it weakens.
>
> As the storm progressed through Florida, it knocked out the lights all
> over the state. In a press conference Monday morning, Eric Silagy, the
> president of the state’s largest electric utility, Florida Power and Light,
> estimated that more than half the state is without power. That’s more than
> 10 million people, which dwarfs the number who lost electricity during
> Hurricane Sandy, which had been the record holder for hurricane-related
> power problems with 6.2 million affected.
>
>
> [AND YET --]
>
> It was standing with FPL’s CEO that President Obama announced $3.4 billion
> in smart-grid grants through the Department of Energy as part of the
> stimulus package, and when the utility finished its smart-grid installation
> in 2013, it was lauded as smart-grid technology’s coming-of-age moment.
>
> FPL’s grid was about the best the country could have brought to the
> table.All the investment appeared to pay off last year during hurricanes
> Hermine and Matthew. All the fancy new gear prevented some outages and
> helped the utility get things back running quickly.The Edison Electric
> Institute, a utility-industry trade group, gave FPL two awards earlier this
> year for "Emergency Recovery" and "Emergency Assistance" because of its
> performance during the 2016 hurricanes.
>
> In other words, FPL’s grid was about the best the country could have
> brought to the table. And now, apparently, Irma has laid waste to at least
> a large chunk of that system. . . .
>
>


Re: [Vo]:The lights are going out all over Georgia . . .

2017-09-11 Thread ChemE Stewart
Sudden increase in entropy

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/05/pictures/110523-joplin-missouri-tornado-science-nation-weather-midwest/

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:36 PM ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Still on in the Northern Atlanta burbs...
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:25 PM Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> There is hardly any wind but the power is already off at my house, as of
>> 12 p.m.
>>
>> Okay, now the wind is beginning to pick up.
>>
>> CNN reports that 72% of Miami, FL is without power.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>


Re: [Vo]:The lights are going out all over Georgia . . .

2017-09-11 Thread ChemE Stewart
Still on in the Northern Atlanta burbs...

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:25 PM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> There is hardly any wind but the power is already off at my house, as of
> 12 p.m.
>
> Okay, now the wind is beginning to pick up.
>
> CNN reports that 72% of Miami, FL is without power.
>
> - Jed
>
>


Re: [Vo]:The lights are going out all over Georgia . . .

2017-09-11 Thread ChemE Stewart
Exactly why I am saying we are missing the true source of energy of that
storm, not just air and water vapor, hot and cold.  Lots of energy in the
vacuum to pull from

A better model is a vacuum manifold that is losing symmetry as it decays to
a new, lower vacuum state and reading that energy into the surroundings
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_manifold

Just in time universal inflation sort of thing...

One Joplin, MO tornado released up to 600 Hiroshima bombs in 30 minutes...
WTF?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2328834/Oklahoma-tornado-600-TIMES-powerful-Hiroshima-atomic-bomb.html

The vacuum is unstable by design

Our power distribution system still sucks though



On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:59 AM JonesBeene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:

>
>
> *From: *ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> We can build nuclear bombs but can't keep the lights on when a storm moves
> through.
>
> --
>
>
>
> Yeah… but to put that failure into perspective, mother-nature builds her
> own bombs and blasted us with a preemptive strike.
>
>
>
> Irma had the power of a 60 megaton nuke when it came ashore, which is the
> equivalent of many dozens of Hiroshima-equivalent weapons.
>


Re: [Vo]:The lights are going out all over Georgia . . .

2017-09-11 Thread ChemE Stewart
We can build nuclear bombs but can't keep the lights on when a storm moves
through.

Sad

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:15 AM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Once again a storm shows the weakness of modern energy systems. On an
> ordinary day in Georgia, hundreds of customers are without power because of
> accidents. At this moment, 258,727 customers are without power because of
> the hurricane, and it hasn't even hit the state yet. See:
>
> http://outagemap.georgiapower.com/external/default.html#
>
> Small cold fusion generators would eliminate this problem. The generators
> themselves would fail from time to time, but probably not any more often
> than refrigerators are HVAC equipment does. In my experience, that happens
> less often than power failures lasting 1 hour or longer.
>
> I am ready for a power failure. I now have a 2 kW inverter which I attach
> to the starter battery in a Prius. That is located inside, under the deck,
> where the spare tire is kept, so it stays dry in the rain. I can then leave
> the motor on. It only runs when the battery drains. 2 kW is enough to run a
> modern refrigerator and lights. Or a pump to drain water under the house,
> but I don't think I can run both at the same time. I wish I had a 4 kW
> inverter but I don't think you can attach that to an ordinary car battery.
>
> - Jed
>
>


Re: [Vo]:Sunspots, hurricanes and dense hydrogen

2017-09-08 Thread ChemE Stewart
The model I am trying to fit to our "weather disturbances" is based upon an
unstable vacuum and "Branes" emerging/decaying in our local space
time/atmosphere, which could also provide the warpage of space time
required for emergent gravity.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall–Sundrum_model

That would imply gravity is emergent via an increase in entropy in our
local space time and our weather is a byproduct of the inflation and decay
of that entropy from "compactified" extra dimensions.  You would have to
increase the entropy of a gas ~ 5e14 BTUs/Deg R to condense 33 trillion
gallons of water: dS=dQ/T. A hurricane may actually be a vacuum manifold.

One way to increase the condensing power of a gas(the atmosphere) might be
to cool it by expanding it through inflation.  Our largest weather
disturbances happen along "cold fronts" and "eyewalls" which fits that
thinking.

Sunspots travel in a similar trajectory to hurricanes on Earth.  Maybe they
are also emerging, higher energy, higher dimensional Branes also following
a geodesic

The entropy of a black hole is measured by its surface area, therefore I
would look along the eye walls of hurricanes and the outer
bands/disturbances for "cold dark matter" which might be a "gauge field"
from the primary "particle"

https://arxiv.org/abs/1505.03716

This would imply the whole damn place is decaying, including space time.

Branes bring rain...

Also lots of lensing in the atmosphere before hurricanes
https://petapixel.com/2012/11/01/amazing-photo-of-ice-halos-captured-in-the-wake-of-hurricane-sandy/

The ice is from the extreme condensing along the vacuum manifold

I spend a lot of time stuck in Atlanta traffic thinking about this..

Be safe


On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 6:38 PM ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com> wrote:

> -Massive Vacuum Condensing of water in the Atmosphere
> -Massive Vacuum Evaporation of water over the Ocean
> -Electromagnetic Discharge, which is known to occur before/during
> earthquakes
> -A sudden, extreme increase in Entropy surrounding the Disturbance such as
> demolished cities, forests
>
> Maybe the Vacuum of Spacetime is Unstable...
>
> Which could explain the ongoing inflation of spacetime and a continual
> increase in Entropy in our surroundings
> https://arxiv.org/abs/1212.1087
>
> Maybe a "Hurricane" is actually triggered by Massive Compact Halo Object(s)
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_compact_halo_object
>
> Maybe the eye wall is actually a vacuum horizon/domain wall...
>
> Maybe the tornadoes and waterspouts and microbursts and bands around the
> primary disturbance are actually signs of quantum decoherence superposition
> of the vacuum as it decays.
>
> If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, maybe it is a duck sorta
> thing...
>
> Something to think about as it bears down us in Georgia...
>
> Nature is amazing
>
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 6:07 PM Adrian Ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Stewart,
>> What was your point?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com>
>> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
>> Sent: Fri, Sep 8, 2017 5:15 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sunspots, hurricanes and dense hydrogen
>>
>> Hurricane Harvey condensed 33 trillion gallons of water over land.  In
>> industry you would pull a vacuum in a LARGE surface condenser with LOTS of
>> surface area and the ability to remove LOTS of heat to sustain the VACUUM
>> for condensing to continue.
>>
>>
>> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2017/08/30/harvey-has-unloaded-24-5-trillion-gallons-of-water-on-texas-and-louisiana/
>>
>> Just saying
>>
>>
>>


Re: [Vo]:Sunspots, hurricanes and dense hydrogen

2017-09-08 Thread ChemE Stewart
-Massive Vacuum Condensing of water in the Atmosphere
-Massive Vacuum Evaporation of water over the Ocean
-Electromagnetic Discharge, which is known to occur before/during
earthquakes
-A sudden, extreme increase in Entropy surrounding the Disturbance such as
demolished cities, forests

Maybe the Vacuum of Spacetime is Unstable...

Which could explain the ongoing inflation of spacetime and a continual
increase in Entropy in our surroundings
https://arxiv.org/abs/1212.1087

Maybe a "Hurricane" is actually triggered by Massive Compact Halo Object(s)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_compact_halo_object

Maybe the eye wall is actually a vacuum horizon/domain wall...

Maybe the tornadoes and waterspouts and microbursts and bands around the
primary disturbance are actually signs of quantum decoherence superposition
of the vacuum as it decays.

If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, maybe it is a duck sorta thing...

Something to think about as it bears down us in Georgia...

Nature is amazing

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 6:07 PM Adrian Ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> Stewart,
> What was your point?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com>
> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
> Sent: Fri, Sep 8, 2017 5:15 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sunspots, hurricanes and dense hydrogen
>
> Hurricane Harvey condensed 33 trillion gallons of water over land.  In
> industry you would pull a vacuum in a LARGE surface condenser with LOTS of
> surface area and the ability to remove LOTS of heat to sustain the VACUUM
> for condensing to continue.
>
>
> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2017/08/30/harvey-has-unloaded-24-5-trillion-gallons-of-water-on-texas-and-louisiana/
>
> Just saying
>
>
>


Re: [Vo]:Sunspots, hurricanes and dense hydrogen

2017-09-08 Thread ChemE Stewart
Hurricane Harvey condensed 33 trillion gallons of water over land.  In
industry you would pull a vacuum in a LARGE surface condenser with LOTS of
surface area and the ability to remove LOTS of heat to sustain the VACUUM
for condensing to continue.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2017/08/30/harvey-has-unloaded-24-5-trillion-gallons-of-water-on-texas-and-louisiana/

Just saying



On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 4:44 PM Adrian Ashfield 
wrote:

> AXIL,
> I think Svensmark was the dirt to come up with this theory and he made a
> good video describing it here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMTPF1blpQ
> (You can skip the first 2:20 of pretty pictures)
>
> The source of hurricanes seems to be a combination of a cooler upper
> atmosphere and warmer sea surface.  The temperature difference drives the
> formation.  It's not just warmer water.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Axil Axil 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Fri, Sep 8, 2017 2:58 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sunspots, hurricanes and dense hydrogen
>
> Reference:
>
> Enhancement of cloud formation by droplet charging
> rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/royprsa/464/2098/2561.full.pdf
>
> Shea & Smart (1995) also demonstrated ion production associated with a
> solar proton event in a surface ionization chamber, at Cheltenham, Maryland
> (398 N). This ionization was explained to be caused by muons, i.e.
> secondary particles generated from the solar protons. Other sources of
> high-energy particles in the lower atmosphere include thunderstorms (Wilson
> 1925; Lidvansky 2003), from which there is surface experimental evidence
> for accelerated electrons (Khaerdinov et al. 2005).
>
> -
>
> Increased cloud formation and electrification of the atmosphere could be
> an as yet unrecognized consequence of prolific use of LENR in petawatt
> level power production. It is a good bet that LENR produces muons as a
> primary format of nuclear energy reformulation. Heat generation is only a
> minor energy pathway.
>
> If LENR gains traction as a primary source for global energy production,
> the atmosphere could experience a massive increase in water droplet
> ionization and electrical charge amplification from LENR moderated muon
> creation.
>
> Muons from a LENR reactor can send very energetic muons high into the
> atmosphere where their interaction with water vapor is inevitable. This
> could result in a permanent  loss in global fair weather conditions in a
> permanently overcast world.  The deployed base of solar panel power
> production could be rendered ineffectual and the gloomy cloud shrouded
> earth could enter a new epoch of global cooling as little heat or light
> would penetrate to reach the ground.
>
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Bob Higgins 
> wrote:
>
> What most people don't know also is that the cosmic ray flux affects the
> weather.  Galactic cosmic rays are variable and depend in part on our solar
> system's orbital position in the spiral arm.  Cosmic rays variably affect
> the weather by penetration into the lower atmosphere, nucleating water
> droplets, and hence forming clouds.  The amount of cosmogenic cloud
> formation depends on the cosmic ray rate and average energy.
>
> Solar activity varies the solar magnetic field which changes the Earth's
> magnetic field, and hence the Earth's magnetic protection from cosmic
> rays.  Of course, greater solar activity also affects the rate of solar
> generated high energy particles which behave similarly to cosmic rays.
>
> Increased cosmic ray/solar particle flux causes more clouds and causes a
> net cooling on the Earth.  Increased solar magnetic fields cause increased
> Earth's magnetic fields that shield from cosmic rays.  So, increased solar
> magnetic fields means less clouds on Earth and higher temperatures on the
> Earth.
>
> As I understand it, the link between solar magnetic fields, solar particle
> flux, cosmic ray flux, and clouds is not part of present climate models.
>
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 10:16 AM, JonesBeene  wrote:
>
> Periodically, the cross connection between abnormal solar activity and
> hurricanes is mentioned in the ALT-SCI press.
>
> https://www.inverse.com/article/36183-solar-flare-hurricane-irma
>
> Of course this year is no exception as the strongest storm in a decade and
> the strongest solar flares in the past 11 year cycle are aligned in time.
>
> It is a complex interaction but there seems to be something beyond
> coincidence going on in this alignment. Often water temperature is said to
> play a role in hurricanes, but this year the Ocean water temperature in
> hurricane alley is normal
>
> Perhaps the sunspot itself is not the driving force for more intense
> storms on earth but instead, the sunspot feeds a greater tonnage of dense
> hydrogen into the solar 

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2017-06-12 Thread ChemE Stewart
50% chance of emerging entropic branes bringing rain today...

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> The standard model is wrong. Gravity fits into a LENR based theory where
> ALL the forces of nature are Entropic. All the fundamental forces
> including gravity are not fundamental but instead they all emerge like
> gravity from entanglement.
>
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 11:49 AM, CB Sites  wrote:
>
>> You know what Axil.  The Entropic Gravity theory was one of the few
>> theories that made me step back and made me do a double take and change my
>> view of how gravity works.   It's not a coincidence that gravity just
>> doesn't fit into standard model.  If gravity is due to entropic forces of
>> an occupied space partition, it makes sense that gravity is not part of the
>> standard model.  There is no need for gravitinos or mediators.  Relativity
>> and space-time curvature all fit nicely into that model.
>>
>> If you do physics and have never read the papers on Entropic Gravity, I
>> highly recommend you do.  It may very well change your whole view on the
>> universe.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:38 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the description of entropic force and why there is not dark
>>> matter particle,,,hydrino.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropic_gravity
>>>
>>> LENR will prove this theory and change science and cosmology.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:10 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>>
 When particles are entangled, they are connected to each other by a
 wormhole that circumvents normal space time correlations.

 see

 https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/context/new-einstein-equati
 on-wormholes-quantum-gravity

 Space time is now believed to be connected through long range
 entanglement. The forces of nature are emergent from entanglement.  This is
 why BECs are important in LENR because the nature of these fundamental
 forces are affected by the BEC. These forces are called entropic forces.

 Without a BEC, LENR produces radioactive isotopes. With a BEC, LENR
 produces stable isotopes. The BEC increases the activity of the electroweak
 force.

 On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:49 AM,  wrote:

> In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Mon, 12 Jun 2017
> 00:19:54
> +:
> Hi Bob,
> [snip]
> >Robin—
> >It’s the last sentence in the introduction that is pertinent.  It
> makes the point that the BEC
> >Can be described by a wave function as if it were a single particle.
>
> Not exactly "as if". You missed the word "parallel". IOW the two wave
> functions
> share some properties in common, but not necessarily all. In fact he
> says
> "collective" properties, IOW those properties which can be shared by a
> collection. That doesn't include position.
> [snip]
> >You suggest that a coherent system state as described by a wave
> function does include a specification of probable . relative location of
> charge centers and/or magnetic dipole centers.  What  are the parameters 
> of
> the system state that you believe the paper considers are pertinent?
>
> For that I would have to read the whole paper, and I am not so
> inclined at the
> moment. But if you find something to support your position, and post
> it here,
> I'll be happy to discuss it with you.
> [snip]
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

>>>
>>
>


Re: [Vo]:I am fighting for the right to think differently

2016-09-12 Thread ChemE Stewart
"there's no mind-police out there trying to zap you"

They're out there...

http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/2012/09/the-thought-police-are-coming-2464566.html

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Esa Ruoho  wrote:

> I think Jed is pretty on-the-nose with his comment. If Peter Gluck from
> Romania, is fighting for the right to think differently, then he probably
> knows who he is fighting against, and how they have shown themselves to him
> - who they are, what do they say, and how do they resist his right to think
> differently.
>
> On the other hand, if this is just a psychological trick that Peter Gluck
> is playing, to get some more clicks to his blog, i.e. "They're suppressing
> meee Click here to see how!", then there is no
> actual person, persons or group of people who he has to fight against.
>
> The whole concept of "fighting for the right to think differently" is kind
> of wonky in my honest opinion. In the privacy of your own home (in this
> case, mind), you are free to think whatever you want to. There really is
> nobody stopping you, there's no mind-police out there trying to zap you out
> of thinking like this or that.
>
> So hence Jed's "You brave soul." commentary comes into full focus as
> pointing out that Peter, by wanting to think differently, does not actually
> have any enemies out there that he is fighting against.
>
> So it's just another blogger trying to survive by posting posts with
> hyperbole in the subjectline.
>
>
>
> On 12 September 2016 at 14:14, Lennart Thornros 
> wrote:
>
>> Jed
>> You asked;
>>
>> Who are you fighting? Who prevents you from thinking differently?
>>
>> Somtimes a question becomes A great answer. This reveals an enormous
>> naive mindset. It also explains your inability to see that the truth has
>> many appearances sometimes in conflict but true.
>> Thanks for explaining yourself.
>> Kennett Thornros
>> On Sep 11, 2016 19:48, "Jed Rothwell"  wrote:
>>
>>> Peter Gluck wrote:
>>>
>>> I am fighting for the right to think differently.
>>>
>>>
>>> You brave soul! How admirable.
>>>
>>> Who are you fighting? Who prevents you from thinking differently?
>>>
>>> - Jed
>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
> ---
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> +358403703659 //
> skype:esajuhaniruoho // http://esaruoho.tumblr.com/ // iMessage:
> esaru...@gmail.com //
>


Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2016-05-30 Thread ChemE Stewart
Pay me $2 Bil and I will build you something that produces photons and
takes up much less than 4000 acres

You give these guys way too much credit

On Monday, May 30, 2016, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:

> Speaking of a cross between Fuku and towering inferno, with a few thousand
> light sabers thrown-in … think about using all those mirrors as a renewable
> propellant …
>
>
>
> That’s right, propellant. You don’t really think that electricity was the
> only goal here, do you? Maybe there was something else going on behind the
> scenes and you-know-who will arrive to save the day. Can you say “space-x”.
> He is not far away.
>
>
>
> Solar pumped lasers are already on the horizon, and from there the next
> step would be to coat the mirror array with an optical material to
> consolidate the broad emission spectrum and then to focus the reflected
> superradiant light onto a point overhead in space where a vehicle,
> specially designed to use this light as a PLT (photonic laser thruster) is
> waiting for it… and there you have it… tenfold reduction in the cost of
> putting tonnage into low orbit.
>
>
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4593010/
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photonic_laser_thruster
>
>
>
> There are losses, but who cares when the advantage of having a few hundred
> megawatts of focused photons available for days and days on end (for
> accelerating objects to low earth orbit cheaply) is the bottom line. Once
> into low orbit, mylar solar mirrors deploy which can use the same converter
> to get to high orbit.
>
>
>
> It is a minor problem is to control the relative speed to maintain the
> craft is roughly overhead relative position to the mirrors until the first
> acceleration stage is complete. But all of this is doable… on paper. It
> seem no more complicated than landing a rocket in reverse, on a barge.
>
>
>
> Look for Elon to put in a bid for Ivanpah… but not necessarily for the
> electrical power… J
>
>
>
> *From:* ChemE Stewart
>
>
>
> You guys are ignoring all of the mechanical and structural challenges of
> pointing 350,000, 30 foot mirrors at the ground using worm gears and
> stepper motors that have just lost power due to a storm and/or lightning
> strike.  No motor power, no movement.  The fuel source (the sun) keeps
> moving up and then down towards the west, so the focal point(s) of all of
> that incident power is constantly changing.
>
>
>
> It is not like a typical boiler where the flame safety system can cut the
> source of fuel.  It is more like a cross between fukushima and the towering
> inferno :)
>
>
>
>
>


Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2016-05-30 Thread ChemE Stewart
Actually, banks of mirrors are all controlled though one load center at
Ivanpah. load centers are distributed throughout the field.  One well
directed lightning strike at a load center will kill power to many
mirrors.  Think of the increased negative economics of doubling the power
redundancy to 350,000 mirrors.  The system was already grossly over priced
@ $2B of taxpayers money for 390 MW

Fukushima lost utility tie-line and diesel generators.  UPS batteries last
only a few hours for that power load and are no good for an entire plant,
especially if load center(s) are fried.  Sun(nuclear power source) keeps
moving.

Probably cheapest to insulate the entire tower or lease the system to movie
studios as a prop for the next Avenger's movie since it appears headed for
default (again)







On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 7:40 AM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You guys are ignoring all of the mechanical and structural challenges of
>> pointing 350,000, 30 foot mirrors at the ground using worm gears and
>> stepper motors that have just lost power due to a storm and/or lightning
>> strike.  No motor power, no movement.
>>
>
> Places such as large generators, telephone switching centers, data
> centers, military complexes and the like always have emergency power and
> backup power systems. Fukushima was powered for nearly a day even though
> there was catastrophic destruction to the Diesel backup generator system.
> No engineers would design a system that could be destroyed with a single
> lightning strike. Except for the engineers who design the bad-guy hideouts
> in James Bond movies.
>
> - Jed
>
>


Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2016-05-29 Thread ChemE Stewart
You guys are ignoring all of the mechanical and structural challenges of
pointing 350,000, 30 foot mirrors at the ground using worm gears and
stepper motors that have just lost power due to a storm and/or lightning
strike.  No motor power, no movement.  The fuel source (the sun) keeps
moving up and then down towards the west, so the focal point(s) of all of
that incident power is constantly changing.

It is not like a typical boiler where the flame safety system can cut the
source of fuel.  It is more like a cross between fukushima and the towering
inferno :)

On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 10:46 PM,  wrote:

>
> In reply to  Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Sat, 28 May 2016 17:18:24
> -0400:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >It ought to be possible to build the things with a fail-safe mode
> >wherein loss of power results in the mirrors defocussing.  Shouldn't be
> >hard; the /hard/ thing, presumably, is getting them all pointing at the
> >_same_ spot.  Making them /not/ do that should be easy.
> >
>
> Just turn them all upside down so they point at the ground.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>


Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2016-05-27 Thread ChemE Stewart
Fatal flaw:  Lock mirrors in the morning for maintenance or lose power to
mirror motors but the sun keeps rising, thus the focal focal point of up
to 300 MW's of thermal flux moves down the tower, torching it.  Enough heat
to collapse a tower under the right conditions.

http://solarindustrymag.com/update-nrg-confirms-cause-of-fire-at-ivanpah-solar-plant


On Friday, May 27, 2016, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh noes, solar power incident results in . burnt tower. This is
> why solar power is the solution to everything.
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:31 AM, ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cheme...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Oops, Default
>>
>> Oops, Fire
>>
>>
>> http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/ivanpah-solar-plant-catches-fire-but-taxpayers-get-burned/
>>
>> Oops
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jedrothw...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The taxpayers will get their money back eventually. The power companies
>>>> are not going to stop buying electricity from this installation. They may
>>>> renegotiate the price . . .
>>>>
>>>
>>> Source:
>>>
>>> I think I read this at Renewable Energy World, but I cannot find the
>>> article. Anyway, that is the usual arrangement. Since the machine is up and
>>> running, and making a profit on current operations, the taxpayers should be
>>> reimbursed. The owners may face bankruptcy.
>>>
>>> http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/index.html
>>>
>>> The article went on to say this is quite different from the situation at
>>> Solyndra. There was no revenue stream when Solyndra went bankrupt. They did
>>> not have anything up and running.
>>>
>>> When a company goes bankrupt, if there are parts of the company which
>>> are making a current profit, the courts are careful to keep those parts in
>>> business. They try not to sell off assets or do anything else which will
>>> disrupt those parts and stop the flow of income. They try not to cause more
>>> unemployment than necessary. On the other hand, they direct the current
>>> profit flow to the creditors, and away from stockholders. When Uncle Sam is
>>> among the creditors or unpaid vendors, he always goes to the front of the
>>> line. That's how it works.
>>>
>>> The Solyndra bankruptcy has been called a scandal. It is not a scandal.
>>> Any investment can go south. Many governments supported ventures have
>>> failed. In this case, the Solyndra portion of the fund failed but overall
>>> the fund did exceptionally well and made a ton of money for the taxpayers.
>>> You might argue that the Federal government should not be investing in
>>> technology. That might appeal to purists who think the government should
>>> play no role in the economy, but as I have often pointed out, the
>>> government has played a leading role since the construction of the Erie
>>> Canal, and in ever major technology since then. If it had not, I expect the
>>> U.S. would have lost the Civil War, WWI and WWII.
>>>
>>> Since most Federal money goes to conventional technology such as coal
>>> and oil, I do not think the industry should complain.
>>>
>>> - Jed
>>>
>>>
>>
>


Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2016-05-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
Oops, Default

Oops, Fire

http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/ivanpah-solar-plant-catches-fire-but-taxpayers-get-burned/

Oops







On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> I wrote:
>
>
>> The taxpayers will get their money back eventually. The power companies
>> are not going to stop buying electricity from this installation. They may
>> renegotiate the price . . .
>>
>
> Source:
>
> I think I read this at Renewable Energy World, but I cannot find the
> article. Anyway, that is the usual arrangement. Since the machine is up and
> running, and making a profit on current operations, the taxpayers should be
> reimbursed. The owners may face bankruptcy.
>
> http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/index.html
>
> The article went on to say this is quite different from the situation at
> Solyndra. There was no revenue stream when Solyndra went bankrupt. They did
> not have anything up and running.
>
> When a company goes bankrupt, if there are parts of the company which are
> making a current profit, the courts are careful to keep those parts in
> business. They try not to sell off assets or do anything else which will
> disrupt those parts and stop the flow of income. They try not to cause more
> unemployment than necessary. On the other hand, they direct the current
> profit flow to the creditors, and away from stockholders. When Uncle Sam is
> among the creditors or unpaid vendors, he always goes to the front of the
> line. That's how it works.
>
> The Solyndra bankruptcy has been called a scandal. It is not a scandal.
> Any investment can go south. Many governments supported ventures have
> failed. In this case, the Solyndra portion of the fund failed but overall
> the fund did exceptionally well and made a ton of money for the taxpayers.
> You might argue that the Federal government should not be investing in
> technology. That might appeal to purists who think the government should
> play no role in the economy, but as I have often pointed out, the
> government has played a leading role since the construction of the Erie
> Canal, and in ever major technology since then. If it had not, I expect the
> U.S. would have lost the Civil War, WWI and WWII.
>
> Since most Federal money goes to conventional technology such as coal and
> oil, I do not think the industry should complain.
>
> - Jed
>
>


Re: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

2016-04-14 Thread ChemE Stewart
Just keeping Jed honest:

First calculator: 2000 BC Inventor: Sumerians

http://www.thecalculatorsite.com/articles/units/history-of-the-calculator.php

First Electronic Calculator:

The story of the electronic calculator really begins in the late 1930s as
the world began to prepare for renewed war. To calculate the trigonometry
required to drop bombs ‘into a pickle barrel’ from 30,000 feet, to hit a
30-knot Japanese warship with a torpedo or to bring down a diving Stuka
with an anti aircraft gun required constantly updated automated
solutions.  These
were provided respectively by the Sperry-Norden bombsight, the US Navy’s
Torpedo Data Computer and the Kerrison Predictor AA fire control system.

All were basically mechanical devices using geared wheels and rotating
cylinders, but producing electrical outputs that could be linked to weapon
systems.  During the Second World War, the challenges of code-breaking
produced the first all-electronic computer, *Colossus*. But this was a
specialised machine that basically performed “exclusive or” (XOR) Boolean
algorithms.
:)

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Lennart Thornros  wrote:
>
>
>> There is theory called the S-curve theory. Many examples from the vacuum
>> tube / transistor evolution and calculators mechanic / solid state. Plenty
>> of big companies went belly up as they did not react fast enough.
>>
>
> So did many small companies.
>
>
>
>> This is why large corporations are a bad thing. They have no flexibility
>> . . .
>>
>
> The transistor was invented at AT, and the calculator at HP and TI.
> Those were large corporations. Your own examples show that sometimes big
> corporations are good thing, and they sometimes have flexibility.
>
> Small companies often lack flexibility.
>
> - Jed
>
>


Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

2016-03-20 Thread ChemE Stewart
Question:-

"Why would gravity warp spacetime, but not electric and magnetic fields?
According to Axil and Fran, they warp spacetime big time. (SPPs) ;)"



*http://arxiv.org/pdf/1510.08377.pdf *

*"Starting from a five dimensional Kaluza-Klein theory, which is toroidally
compactified to yield an effective four dimensional dilaton-Maxwell theory,
we find exact background solutions describing a dilatonic domain wall which
entraps magnetic flux, which has previously been described by Gibbons and
Wells [1]. This type of domain wall is interesting, not only because it
traps magnetic flux, but also because it is nontopological in origin, i.e.,
the solution is not stabilized by a nontrivial topology of the vacuum
manifold. "*

*My best guess at a "low pressure" Vacuum Manifold:*

*https://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/waterspout-sunset-key-1.jpg
*


*https://i.imgur.com/gotFHg0.jpg *
*The vacuum ain't stable*


On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 4:27 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Fri, 18 Mar 2016 22:20:20 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 3:19 PM,  wrote:
> >
> >If the presence of an object warps spacetime (General Relativity), then
> >> something must be present to warp?
> >>
> >
> >General relativity provides a unified description of gravity and
> >spacetime.  The EM Drive makes use first and foremost of the
> >electromagnetic interaction.  What about the EM Drive would be causing the
> >warping of spacetime?
> >
> >Eric
>
> The interactions between photons and spacetime? Just guessing.
>
> Question:-
>
> Why would gravity warp spacetime, but not electric and magnetic fields?
> According to Axil and Fran, they warp spacetime big time. (SPPs) ;)
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>


Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick?

2016-03-04 Thread ChemE Stewart
Hell, we've got thousands of birds, fish, bats, bees, butterflies, coral
polyps, sea stars, sea lions dropping dead around us and very few
people seem to give a shit...

On Friday, March 4, 2016, Alain Sepeda  wrote:

> Maybe.
> One idea to protect humans from unknown risk is probably to put biological
> canaries not far, especially some having less efficient HSP defense.
>
> making assumption on a blackswan is risky.
> anyway there are many things we have learned by observation, even if not
> by theory.
> Until now the general ideas is that LENR really HATE radiations... that is
> part of it's rejection cause.
>
> 2016-03-04 17:55 GMT+01:00 Russ George  >:
>
>> If speaking of conventional known radiations this comment about dose and
>> detection is true however in ‘cold fusion’ clearly the unknown is afoot.
>> One of those unknowns is what is it that can be there but not, or poorly,
>> be seen. For example what might be seen as a nominal presence near
>> background that can suddenly be made ‘visible’ to detectors where millirem
>> signals turn into kilorem! (micro-Sieverts to Sieverts if you prefer)
>> Fortunately the human body is more akin to our normal detectors than our
>> enhanced cold fusion mischegunon detectors so the harming dose equivalent
>> of those massive cold fusion radiations remains for us in health physics
>> terms as low doses. Still the better cold fusion cooks are sure to see the
>> most exposure and the nature of this new and still very poorly observed to
>> say nothing of described radiations is far from clear. More than a few cold
>> fusion scientists have succumbed already. As is said in ancient texts ‘one
>> does not catch the unknown in a net of the known.’
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* alain.coetm...@gmail.com
>>  [mailto:
>> alain.coetm...@gmail.com
>> ] *On Behalf
>> Of *Alain Sepeda
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 12:13 AM
>> *To:* Vortex List
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick?
>>
>>
>>
>> the dose, and the speed of dose to make someone sick is huge and canbe
>> detected.
>>
>> This is what people name "deterministic effect" in radioprotection.
>>
>> This is above 700mSv as fast dose
>>
>>
>>
>> there is also undeterministic effect, typically cancer, whose severity is
>> independent of the dose, but which are trigger for adult above 100-200mSv
>> as fast dose.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> modern biology taught that a cell can endure a given number of genetic
>> destruction without any short or long term problem.
>>
>> above a given rate, there is undeterministic effect (risk of caner of any
>> gravity)
>>
>> and then above a high rate deterministic effect from sickness to death.
>>
>>
>>
>> there is much unfounded fear, especially for fulbody scan , foetal
>> irradiation, positron imaging...
>>
>> the threshold today are well known, and the linear dose no treshold
>> scarmongering is definitively dead, escept in the media...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> this article in french is a good reference
>>
>> http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article1789
>>
>> translated:
>>
>>
>> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr=auto=en=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pseudo-sciences.org%2Fspip.php%3Farticle1789=1
>>
>>
>>
>> for those doubting on it, it refers to element of biology that I've seen
>> few decade ago described for cancer inception , linked to HSP (heat shock
>> protein, which as said in the article don't work only for radiation but for
>> any aggression, mostly oxidative stress caused by respiration, the worst
>> aggression for DNA)
>>
>>
>>
>> there is a video in french which is very clear and interesting fro some
>> details not written
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L9rrD3t3FY
>>
>>
>>
>> for example there is reference to the number of damage that a cell can
>> endure without problem, and above whoch there is non deterministic risks.
>>
>>
>>
>> reference also to many myth propagated by scaremongers.
>>
>> I don't expect to convince as the propaganda is too strong to be opposed
>> by data.
>>
>>
>>
>> A phenomenon we observe in LENR domain.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2016-03-04 6:57 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil > >:
>>
>> Rossi is complaining about a 'failure to thrive' condition such as losing
>> weight without reason. We might consider that a primary symptom of chronic
>> radiation exposure is unexplained weight loss.
>>
>> Andrea Rossi
>> March 3, 2016 at 9:07 PM
>> Jed Orwell:
>> I continue to lose weight and we do not understand why. I am going to
>> make a lot of “scopies” you name one, I scope it, but I feel well and work
>> my 12 hours per day on my E-Cats; today another important loophole with the
>> E-Cat X.
>> Anyway: yes, I am ready to pass to my Team all the skills necessary to
>> make without me, 

Re: [Vo]:On Arxiv censorship

2016-02-01 Thread ChemE Stewart
Entangled photons?

On Monday, February 1, 2016,  wrote:

> In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Sun, 31 Jan 2016 22:44:19 -0600:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 5:40 PM, >
> wrote:
> >
> >BTW, as I have said before, black holes are empty. All matter is converted
> >> to energy at or before the event horizon, and circulates as EM energy at
> >> the event horizon, warping spacetime into a circle. ;)
> >
> >
> >What kind of energy?
>
> Photons.
>
> >
> >The notion of a singularity at the center of a black hole seems like a
> leap
> >of logic to me.  I wonder whether it's simply the case that the
> >mathematical model (from general relativity) is oversimplifying things
> >close to the black hole, resulting in the counterintuitive mathematical
> >result.
>
> Bingo.
> >
> >Eric
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>


[Vo]:Re: Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2016-01-01 Thread ChemE Stewart
"You also have to return the loan with any profit you make. You cannot
choose not to pay back a loan!"

Actually, the taxpayers just paid off $539M of their own loan to Ivanpah.
Taxpayers lent the money and taxpayers paid.

"Now, Ivanpah is asking
<http://online.wsj.com/articles/ivanpah-solar-project-owners-delay-repaying-loans-documents-say-1411488730>
for
$539 million in cash from the federal government. This time, Ivanpah is
targeting a Department of Treasury tax credit program that reimburses
renewable energy projects for up to 30 percent of project costs.

Ivanpah would use the proceeds to pay off a large portion of its $1.6
billion loan. The company is asking the federal government to provide it
with an enormous amount of cash to be used to payoff its debt to taxpayers.
DOE actually requires Ivanpah to apply for a tax credit to aid loan
repayment.

The process is absurd. First, the government uses tax dollars to provide a
loan guarantee to a risky firm. Then, it functionally forgives a large
share of the outstanding balance after providing a large tax credit. This
is an unjustified giveaway to investors in Ivanpah and a horrible deal for
taxpayers."

IPO funds are capital, not profit.  The loan gets paid back based upon
terms of the loan, not profits.  Lots of loans never get paid back if
contracts default or are lost and companies run out of operating capital
and go bankrupt.



On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jedrothw...@gmail.com');>> wrote:

> ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cheme...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>
>> The real play with Ivanpah was the IPO, which failed.  That way the
>> crooks would have had the taxpayers pay for it the first time and then
>> investors buy it a second time while they suck the money out and bankrupt
>> it.
>>
>
> This makes no sense. If the investors first borrow money from the
> government and then do an IPO, they have to return the loan with the IPO
> money. You cannot keep both the loan and the IPO money. The taxpayers would
> not "pay for it the first time." They don't "pay for" anything. They lend
> you the money. You pay for it.
>
> You also have to return the loan with any profit you make. You cannot
> choose not to pay back a loan!
>
> As long as the power company continues to buy electricity from this
> installation, the taxpayers will get their money back eventually.
>
> - Jed
>
>


Re: [Vo]:Re: Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2015-12-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
Jed:

"Suppose that in the 1990s someone had put a lot of money into solar CSP
technology. The cost might have fallen quickly and perhaps today it would
be cheaper than PV or wind"


Wrong, Ivanpah uses steam drum boiler technology and steam turbine
technology and Home Depot flat mirror technology that have been around for
100 years. Nothing to mature except maybe some of your robots to wash
mirrors.  Where are they?

Also, please show where Ivanpah is profitable, that division of NRG with a
share in Ivanpah had a net loss in Q3. Ivanpah was producing 40% less steam
and using 40% more natural gas and had higher than expected development
costs.

On Thursday, December 31, 2015, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> >
> wrote:
>
>
>> While true of normal solar cells, I seem to recall that there are also
>> high
>> efficiency cells designed to be used with solar concentrators. I'm
>> guessing that
>> these will also function at boiling water temperatures. Is this not the
>> case?
>>
>
> Yes, I recall reading about them years ago. This kind of hybrid approach
> is a nifty idea, but I believe it has now been dropped because so much
> progress has been made in conventional PVs. It has been overtaken.
>
> This is what has happened to the Ivanpah CSP design. It was a promising
> approach. Many smart people thought it deserved a chance. Unfortunately for
> the investors, conventional PV made such rapid progress that by the time
> they built Ivanpah it was obsolete. It was too expensive.
>
> This often happens in commercial technology. Many great computer
> innovations came and went in the 1970s and 1980s, especially in the
> minicomputer CPU designs and operating systems, and things like RISC
> processors.
>
> In a competition for the best commercial technology you only have room for
> one or two winners. Everyone else loses. By that I mean there is usually
> only room in the marketplace for one or two standards: the PC and the Mac;
> 33 rpm and 48 rpm records; AM and FM radio; the U.S. NTSC and the European
> TV broadcast standard. Design engineers could probably come up with many
> alternatives to these standards that would be better in some ways, but the
> market can only support a few standards because the engineers, installers,
> technicians, salespeople and others do not have time to learn multiple
> standards.
>
> Often the technology that wins is not the "best" by every standard. If
> some other approach had been pursued earlier, it might have deserved to
> win. Suppose that in the 1990s someone had put a lot of money into solar
> CSP technology. The cost might have fallen quickly and perhaps today it
> would be cheaper than PV or wind. The power companies would have
> constructed many giant CSP installations in the Southwest, especially the
> Mojave Desert. In this alternative universe, Southern California and Nevada
> might have cheaper electricity than they do now, most of it from CSP. This
> did not happen, and by now I think it is too late and it will never happen.
>
> In another alternative universe, electric cars performance would not have
> fallen so far behind gasoline models in from 1900 to 1914. The 1907
> gasoline-electric hybrid automobile might have been developed. In this
> scenario, I think there would have been more breakthroughs in battery
> technology over the last 100 years, because there would be more incentive,
> and more R money. By now, every car would be electric, OPEC would not
> exist, and we would not have fought all those wars in the Middle East.
>
> - Jed
>
>


Re: [Vo]:Re: Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2015-12-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
Interesting that Ivanpah is a high wind area with land sailing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivanpah_Lake

Flat mirrors catch a lot more wind than a low profile trough, like a sail.

I guess without the mirror coating the system would be be performing
even worse than 40% below design...

Troughs have used Dowtherm fluid or equivalent for 40 years, molten salt is
a newer fluid with much less proven performance and design hazards
(corrosive & solidifies when it cools off)

The real play with Ivanpah was the IPO, which failed.  That way the crooks
would have had the taxpayers pay for it the first time and then investors
buy it a second time while they suck the money out and bankrupt it.

Having a big glare problem Ivanpah also, FAA is involved.

http://docketpublic.energy.ca.gov/PublicDocuments/07-AFC-05C/TN203395_20141203T090345_IVANPAH_SOLAR_GENERATING_SYSTEM_GLARE_INVESTIGATION.pdf

Bird problem takes care of itself, most vaporize before striking the ground
so they don't count. :)

Happy New Year!

On Thursday, December 31, 2015, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Note: The ASME document may not describe the coating used at Ivanpah.
> However, I read an article about the glass there some time ago that said it
> has some similar coating. It resembles Teflon. Water and dust do not easily
> adhere to it; they blow right off again.
>
> I wish they would invent something like that for eye glasses.
>
> The ASME document describes heat transfer fluid and many other aspects of
> CSP that are at the cutting edge, and that may be useful in other
> technology.
>
> - Jed
>
>


Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2015-12-30 Thread ChemE Stewart
Mirrors last a long time in the desert? With wind and sand blowing? 375,000
motors turning? Taxpayers paid $1.6B for this plant, Google is a minority.

BTW this plant burns natural gas...
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/ivanpah-may-be-burning-enough-natural-gas-to-qualify-for-cap-and-trade-in-c

I hope you are right.  I like distributed PV, not this albatross.

On Wednesday, December 30, 2015, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:

> *From:* ChemE Stewart
>
> Ø   OOPS DEFAULT
>
> Ø
> *http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2015/12/15/nrg-ivanpah-faces-chance-of-default-PGE-contract*
> <http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2015/12/15/nrg-ivanpah-faces-chance-of-default-PGE-contract>
>
> Just to avoid any wrong implications, Stewart - any default would be a
> bookkeeping adjustment for Google’s tax purposes. Solar is growing rapidly in
> Cal. and it will be the lowest cost energy option by the end of next
> year, or sooner if natural gas prices return to historical norms. Google
> Swanson's law.
>
> Compare that to a close nuclear plant to you. TVA estimated this beauty
> would cost 2 billion when it started in 1973, and it ended up at 6.5 or
> more depending on how one accounts for the interest payed during the long
> delay, since it is not yet running. (for 1.1 GW)
> *http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/oct/23/nrc-grants-operating-license-watts-bar-unit-2/332065/*
> <http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/oct/23/nrc-grants-operating-license-watts-bar-unit-2/332065/>
>
> According to the Solar Electric Power Association, in 2014 California had 
> installed
> 4.3 GW… but that has increased to 11.5 GW today and should go to 15 GW by
> the end of 2016. Compared to the installed cost of new nuclear power, this 
> looks
> like a bargain, even when adjusted for daytime hours J
>
> The economists look at solar as a long term investment, like a toll brid
> ge. The Golden Gate bridge cost $27 million to build, which sounded
> outrageously high at the time but now produces revenues of $125 million
> every year…. Solar power will not be as dramatic a cash cow in a few
> decades, but there is no refueling cost every 5-6 years… and mirrors tend
> to last a long time.
>
>
>


Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2015-12-29 Thread ChemE Stewart
OOPS DEFAULT

http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2015/12/15/nrg-ivanpah-faces-chance-of-default-PGE-contract



On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> This is a 110 MW concentrating solar power (CSP) project in Nevada, with a
> central tower, on 1,600 acres of land. The tower approach is more efficient
> and cheaper than the troughs that were common 20 years ago. They recently
> finished erecting the tower. See:
>
> http://www.tonopahsolar.com/pdfs/FactSheet_CrescentDunes.pdf
>
>
> http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2012/06/u-s-solar-industry-posts-solid-q1-with-506-mw-installed
>
> 1.1 GW of CSP plants are now under construction. I think the nameplate
> versus actual ratio is better than wind, so this represents roughly half of
> an average nuclear plant (which is 0.9 GW).
>
> Solar availability and peak power are much better than solar in the
> southwest because the peak coincides with the highest demand, mainly for
> airconditioning. Demand at night is always much lower anyway. CSP does not
> drop when there is temporary cloud cover. It will be able to store the
> energy, even for use at night. That is a big advantage of CSP over PV
> solar. The working fluid is molten salt at 1050 deg F = 566 deg C.
>
> - Jed
>
>


Re: [Vo]:LENR reactors need magnetic confinement

2015-12-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
Maybe the steel shipping container helps, just a wild add guess. Steel
reflects EMR, i.e., radar

On Thursday, December 3, 2015, Axil Axil  wrote:

> We can’t build a bridge without a plan. We can’t get LENR to work without
> a valid theory. I am beginning to think that LENR is caused by magnetic
> particles, let’s call them Exotic Neutral Particles (ENP) that can float on
> currents of air. This theory has implications to getting LENR to work. If a
> reactor is build out of material that is transparent to ENPs then these
> important particles could escape the reactor without producing more ENPs
> thus keeping the LENR reaction energy starved. But if the reactor could be
> insulated from EMP escape, then the reactor would hold onto the energy that
> it produces and become gainful.
>
>
> Replicators are perplexed by the success of Parkhomov’s reactor. Why can’t
> anybody get the Parkhomov reactor to work even with the same fuel that he
> used? But everybody is amused by the old iron pot that Parkhomove ran his
> experiment in. That iron pot could be keeping the magnetic ENP from
> escaping the confines of his reactor. All the other replicators let their
> precious ENPs escape into the air.
>
>
> Why does Rossi enclose his fuel in a cartridge containing layers of steel?
> Could the iron particle in the Lugano fuel sample come from a magnetic
> confinement system? Does Rossi have an iron mesh inside the alumina tube to
> produce magnetic confinement? If theory says that keeping ENPs confined is
> important, then the use of iron and steel in Rossi type reactors becomes
> interesting.
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Axil Axil  > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:11 PM, David Roberson > > wrote:
>>
>>> I assume that your concepts include the various particles such as the
>>> polyneutron, Erzion, etc. but Rossi has never mentioned any of these.  They
>>> may be involved in the LENR process, but I suspect that Rossi has never
>>> used those terms within his postings.
>>>
>>
>>
>> http://animpossibleinvention.com/2015/11/25/rossis-engineer-i-have-seen-things-you-people-wouldnt-believe/
>>
>>
>> Rossi’s closest technician and engineer since 2012, *Fulvio Fabiani:*
>>
>> "And then you realize that it is something unique. We have it all filmed,
>> which still cannot be disclosed. We have photographs of creatures that emit
>> pure light that have completely melted the reactor down, all in a very
>> quiet way. You just turn off the stimuli system and the reaction is
>> switched off. It’s impressive."
>>
>> These "creatures that emit pure light" are the photonic based Exotic
>> Neutral Particles(ENP) the other people has seen in their experiments.
>>
>> The ENPs looks and act differently because they are holding different
>> light wavelengths based on the level of power they contain.
>>
>> These ENPs are weak in the infrared, visible at intermediate
>> light strength levels, and very powerful in the XUV and x-ray ranges. This
>> is what R, Mills sees as black light in his experiments.
>>
>> This is what I call dark mode Surface Plasmon Polaritons.
>>
>>
>>
>
>


Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov

2015-11-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tkplPbd2f60

On Saturday, November 21, 2015, Roarty, Francis X 
wrote:

> Axil, welcome to my limb, great company but hope we don’t fall :_) When
> you said [snip] This experiment can provide a time comparison profile of
> how the flow of time is increased by positive vacuum energy as a function
> of distance traveled by the LENR reaction products from the zero point of
> the reaction.[/snip] IMHO your “function” is of Lorentzian type and the
> fabric of space itself becomes transforming medium that changes the
> radiations into a safe thermal energy source [traveling distance we can’t
> see from our perspective and encountering time dilation along the way
> “back” to our inertial frame in the “unsuppressed” macro world. In replying
> to your email I start to wonder if I too am attributing too much to the
> standard velocity derived Lorentzian properties of dilation and contraction
> that accumulate so slowly at our near stationary end of the spectrum wrt C
> while a Lorentzian effect produced by suppression might side step this
> inefficient Pythagorean relationship entirely – It still has to subtract
> from the square law/isotropy that dominates gravity in the surrounding
> macro world but as the geometry gets more and more radical it may trump the
> isotropy to the point where it becomes negligible and positive/negative
> vacuum energy segregation varies the relativistic factor within these
> regions wildly with even the slightest motion of gas atoms in any direction
> wrt surrounding geometry – I have said this before but if these regions are
> really relativistic then the possibility of nested regions becomes possible
> and recent threads on single ions being catalysts could be the things Mills
> spoke of WRT self catalyzing hydrinos. All the pcs fit if Casimir effect
> and catalytic action are interpreted as relativistic artifacts due to
> suppression including patents / claims of anomalous decay rates.
>
> Fran
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 2:56 PM
> *To:* vortex-l  >
> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov
>
>
>
> newinflow.ru/pdf/Klimov_Poster.pdf
>
> Regarding:
>
>
> Heterogeneous plasmoid behind PVR nozzle is γ-radioactive. Soft
> X-radiation 100 ÷ 1 eV from this plasmoid. X-radiation decrement is
> very small (radiation intensity decrease is about 20% at L = 100 cm).
>
>
>
> This experiment shows that the thermalization of gamma radiation from
> nuclear activity from this LENR system is not instantaneous but still very
> fact.
>
> This experiment can provide a time comparison profile of how the flow of
> time is increased by positive vacuum energy as a function of distance
> traveled by the LENR reaction products from the zero point of the reaction.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Eric Walker  > wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 1:16 PM, David Roberson  > wrote:
>
>
>
> You mention that gamma radiation is thermalized in some common manner.  I
> still find it difficult to believe that any high energy gammas are
> generated during these reactions.   How would all of these be captured?
>
>
>
> For this reason it seems unlikely that gammas ever form in the first
> place.  Instead one might suspect their formation is efficiently
> short-circuited by another, faster channel, that is available only in a
> closed-in environment, in contrast to the open environment of a plasma.  My
> own favorite possibility: the energy that would normally be emitted as a
> gamma photon is instead dumped into one or more nearby electrons, which are
> stopped in the material or gas, causing low-energy atomic transitions which
> gradually radiate away the energy imparted by the electrons as they come to
> a stop.
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>


Re: [Vo]:R. Mills and the SPP soliton

2015-10-28 Thread ChemE Stewart
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-structure_constant
...As a dimensionless constant which does not seem to be directly related
to any mathematical constant
, the fine-structure
constant has long fascinated physicists.

Arthur Eddington  argued
that the value could be "obtained by pure deduction" and he related it to
the Eddington number , his
estimate of the number of protons in the Universe.[40]
 This
led him in 1929 to conjecture that its reciprocal was precisely the integer
 137
. Other physicists neither
adopted this conjecture nor accepted his arguments but by the 1940s
experimental values for 1/α deviated sufficiently from 137 to refute
Eddington's argument.[41]


The fine-structure constant so intrigued physicist Wolfgang Pauli
 that he collaborated with
psychiatrist Carl Jung  in a quest
to understand its significance.[42]

 Similarly, Max Born  believed if
the value of alpha were any different, the universe would be degenerate,
and thus that 1/137 was a law of nature.[43]


Richard Feynman , one of the
originators and early developers of the theory of quantum electrodynamics
 (QED), referred to
the fine-structure constant in these terms:

There is a most profound and beautiful question associated with the
observed coupling constant, *e* – the amplitude for a real electron to emit
or absorb a real photon. It is a simple number that has been experimentally
determined to be close to 0.08542455. (My physicist friends won't recognize
this number, because they like to remember it as the inverse of its square:
about 137.03597 with about an uncertainty of about 2 in the last decimal
place. It has been a mystery ever since it was discovered more than fifty
years ago, and all good theoretical physicists put this number up on their
wall and worry about it.) Immediately you would like to know where this
number for a coupling comes from: is it related to pi or perhaps to the
base of natural logarithms? Nobody knows. It's one of the greatest damn
mysteries of physics: a magic number that comes to us with no understanding
by man. You might say the "hand of God" wrote that number, and "we don't
know how He pushed his pencil." We know what kind of a dance to do
experimentally to measure this number very accurately, but we don't know
what kind of dance to do on the computer to make this number come out,
without putting it in secretly!
— Richard Feynman , Richard
P. Feynman (1985). *QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter
*
. Princeton University Press
. p. 129. ISBN

0-691-08388-6
.

Conversely, statistician I. J. Good
 argued that a numerological
explanation would only be acceptable if it came from a more fundamental
theory that also provided a Platonic explanation of the value.[44]


Attempts to find a mathematical basis for this dimensionless constant have
continued up to the present time. However, no numerological explanation has
ever been accepted by the community.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> R. Mills may have experimentally observes that the SPP soliton behaves
> like a hydrino.
>
> As energy is feed into the SPP soliton it gets smaller. From Mills
> observations, the soliton must shrink in size  in 1/137 increments. The
> orbits of the polaritons inside the soliton will adjust their structure to
> refit inside the smaller whispering gallery wave through Fano resonance.
> Mills makes the mistake that in order for an electron that follows a
> circular path must revolve around a nucleus. This is not true. An
> electron(together with a entangled photon) can follow a circular orbit
> inside an optical cavity.
>
> There is something special about 1/137 that is important in string theory.
> I will keep an eye pealed for that connection.
>


Re: [Vo]:Colloquium at SRI

2015-10-23 Thread ChemE Stewart
Axil, I am on your side man

On Friday, October 23, 2015, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Also see:
>
>
> https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19508-hawking-radiation-glimpsed-in-artificial-black-hole/
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Axil Axil  > wrote:
>
>> See
>>
>> https://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10.1103/PhysRevLett.114.036402
>>
>> http://www.nature.com/news/hawking-radiation-mimicked-in-the-lab-1.16131
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Axil Axil > > wrote:
>>
>>> No, this analog light based black hole referenced in that video produces
>>> hawking radiation.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:09 PM, David Roberson >> > wrote:
>>>
 I believe you are referring to a simulation of a black hole.

 Dave



 -Original Message-
 From: Axil Axil >
 To: vortex-l >
 Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2015 5:00 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Colloquium at SRI

 The rotation of polaritons in a vortex produces a ANALOG black hole.
 Any wave structure in a vortex will produce a black hole even water.

 See

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyMYcqxuZ_I

 On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, David Roberson > wrote:

> But SPP's can be coaxed into generating enormous magnetic fields.  It
> is not too difficult to understand that these super fields can interact
> strongly with nucleons.  Is there reason to believe that magnetic
> interaction by SPP's is not going to be adequate?  The multiparticle
> entanglement theory is not proven to be required for LENR.
>
> No one has ever captured a small black hole and lived to tell about
> it!  :-)
>
> Dave
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Axil Axil  >
> To: vortex-l  >
> Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2015 4:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Colloquium at SRI
>
> One of the tell tail indications that a black hole is involved is the
> cluster fusion mode in LENR reaction. This requires multiparticle
> entanglement. Only black holes produce this sort of entanglement(see
> ER=ERP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ER%3DEPR). Standard QM
> entanglement is monogamous. Only two particles can be entangled.
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 4:38 PM, David Roberson  > wrote:
>
>> SPP's are one thing, small black holes another.  Why is there any
>> reason to believe that a black hole is required to initiate LENR
>> reactions?  I suspect that SPP's can do the job without extra help.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Axil Axil > >
>> To: vortex-l > >
>> Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2015 12:15 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Colloquium at SRI
>>
>> During a typical replication run of the Rossi effect, the pressure of
>> the hydrogen gas goes down over a relatively short timeframe. This might
>> mean that hydrogen Rydberg matter(HRM) has formed in major part because 
>> gas
>> is transformed into a solid.  But the reaction does not take off
>> immediately. It might be that the energy needed for the HRM to produce
>> heavy SPP solitons need more time to accumulate. The Rossi reaction may 
>> be
>> a two step process that first forms rydberg matter, then that HRM
>> accumulates energy in SPPs to form the real cause of LENR: SPP black 
>> holes.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Axil Axil > > wrote:
>>
>>> Why does it take so long for the Holmlid effect to manifest?
>>>
>>> When you have to pump energy into a population of black holes that
>>> stores huge amounts of energy, it take time and a lot of EMF power to do
>>> this. But once these solitons are well formed and their power storage
>>> threshold is reached, they become exquisitely responsive to any 
>>> additional
>>> energy input.
>>>
>>> This is the reason why the Rossi replicators cannot get a quick
>>> response. They don't keep at it for long enough. Rossi must cook his 
>>> fuel
>>> for a 

Re: [Vo]:Major Coral Bleaching Crisis Spreads Worldwide

2015-10-08 Thread ChemE Stewart
Mark,

Thanks.  I will share some data/photos with vortex shortly.  Reef surveys
in Kauai are pointing to accelerated "corrosion" of the calcium (which is a
metal) reef structure, converting it to CaCl2 and CaO, both can be
byproducts of stray electrical current corrosion in saltwater, which is
common in boats around marinas with electrical current leaking into the
water. The reef skeleton in Kauai is turning orange(CaCl2) and white (CaO)
and eroding away to "nothing" back to lava rock. This is after the billions
of coral polyps are dying.

CaCO3 is LESS soluble as temperature increases, so it does not appear to be
a temperature problem disassociating the reef structure.  Conductivity of
seawater INCREASES with temperature.

We think it may be a cumulative effect of low level electrical currents
along the outside "surface" of the seawater due to skin effects from our
wireless revolution "grounding out" into the conductive seawater...

The more antennas and radars the merrier

On Thursday, October 8, 2015, Mark Iverson  wrote:

> This is mainly for Stewart (ChemE) due to his hypothesis that pulsed
> Doppler radar is damaging coral reefs, but thought the Collective might
> like to see it as well…
>
>
> http://www.biosciencetechnology.com/news/2015/10/scientists-major-coral-bleaching-crisis-spreads-worldwide
>
>
>
> -mark iverson
>
>
>


Re: [Vo]:Self- charging battery ADGEX

2015-08-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
Another similar bracelet

http://www.iewei.net/en/#HOME

On Monday, August 31, 2015, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:

> *From:* ChemE Stewart
>
> Similar Item:
>
>
>
> Ø
> http://phys.org/news/2013-02-german-student-electromagnetic-harvester-recharge.html
>
>
>
> Yes – thanks for remembering this, Stewart, It appears that this effort
> will at least provide us with a baseline for determining how much benefit
> there is in capturing EM “smog” by various means.
>
>
>
> A long life AA battery has about 2.6 watt-hours (9300 joules) of useful
> energy, and a rechargeable AA about half of that. The German “harvester”
> requires 24 hour to recharge - and thus it can capture about one tenth a
> watt-hour per hour of recharge time.
>
>
>
> The ADGEX, if we can believe their spiel, is capturing another form of
> energy instead of background EM/RF smog, which allows it to put out 120
> lumen or light emission for 12 hours, with a 2 hour recharge. The time of
> the recharge is stated in one place as 2 hours but longer in another
> reference, so this detail needs to be firmed up.
>
>
>
> 120 lumens is equivalent to 2 watts - in a better LED lamp array. Thus the
> ADGEX will go thru 24 watt-hours in a single recharge, which is then
> rejuvenated at a rate of 12 watt-hours per hour, Therefore, this is about
> 120 times more energy capture than what is available from EM/RF smog.
>
>
>
> That is very significant – if we can believe it.
>
>
>
> Since the early product is for sale – then the best way to verify the
> claim seems to be to buy one and test it. If the flashlight works reliably,
> there is no reason (in principle) with mass production that 10,000 of them
> could not power an automobile and recharge overnight
>
>
>
> Jones
>
>
>
> Side note: As to what the circuitry consists of – it appears the batteries
> contain nickel. Notably, in many types of batteries, hydrogen is the charge
> carrier and nickel is found in one or both of the electrodes. The dense
> form of hydrogen known as IRH (inverted Rydberg hydrogen) would be an ideal
> charge carrier, especially in the form that Mills calls “hydrino-hydride”
> but BLP apparently could not bring this to market. Have the Russians done
> it for him?
>
>
>
>
>


Re: [Vo]:Self- charging battery ADGEX

2015-08-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
Similar Item:

http://phys.org/news/2013-02-german-student-electromagnetic-harvester-recharge.html

If we are going to irradiate ourselves we might as well generate power
while we are alive!

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 10:14 AM, David Roberson  wrote:

> Does anyone have a diagram that shows the internal circuitry of this
> device?  Why is it only expected to last for 5 years if the energy source
> is infinite?  My suspicion is that it is battery backed up and the actual
> charging rate is extremely slow.
>
> This appears to be more of a toy than a useful product to me.  At least
> with a regular flashlight you can change the batteries once the light
> becomes too dim without having to wait a long time for the light to become
> useful again.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ron Kita 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2015 5:39 am
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Self- charging battery ADGEX
>
> I thought that I was getting power from a conductive  Neo Magnet...then I
> turned off the flourescent light above meProof- No
> Voltage reading.
> Ron Kita, Chiralex
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 4:08 AM, Alain Sepeda 
> wrote:
>
>> I've worked on EMI detection in paris.
>>
>> first source of Em is 50Hz from house wiring (HV lines are negligible few
>> meters away) because you are inside the loop, or at least nearby.
>>
>> second source is FM radio (very clear in paris, they saturated a 1M$
>> receptor who was fooled a funny way).
>>
>> TV is big too, nearly same frequency as GSM.
>>
>> today your phone is noticeable too, much above GSM antennas.
>>
>> Wifi is absolutely negligible, as bluetooth.
>>
>> note that for the brain the biggest EM sources are ...
>> neurons. when they fire the EM field is the biggest you can imagine
>> inside a biological tissue. really a clinical risk !
>> stop thinking please!
>>
>>
>> 2015-08-30 23:41 GMT+02:00 :
>>
>>> In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Sun, 30 Aug 2015 11:01:35 -0700:
>>> Hi,
>>> [snip]
>>> >There is a recent announcement making the rounds this morning - for a
>>> >self-charging battery which is apparently now in production in
>>> Australia,
>>> >for use in a flashlight. Apparently, the inventor thinks he can capture
>>> >Schumann resonance. It would be easy to write this off as fantasy .
>>> except
>>> >for the fact that it is (claimed to be) in actual production.
>>> >
>>> >Curiously it uses nickel ..
>>> >
>>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VYC8K77MSc
>>> >
>>> >http://trade.adgex.com.au/elfe#tabs-6
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://www.adgex.com/News/tabid/69/EntryId/2077/NICKEL-CADMIUM-ACCUMULATORS-
>>> >OF-ADGEX-ENERGY.aspx
>>> >
>>> >Who needs a hot-cat if you can get unlimited free energy from a battery?
>>>
>>> I suspect that most of the power comes from the wiring in the home. It's
>>> by far
>>> the strongest form of EM radiation in a house. You only need to touch an
>>> oscilloscope lead to see this.
>>> IOW there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>>
>>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>


Re: [Vo]:Rossi beware!

2015-08-10 Thread ChemE Stewart
This country is transmitting multi terrawatts of electrons into the
atmosphere 24/7, what's a few muons...

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 How much is too much? There is a wise truism: Moderation in all things.
 How many muons is too many? Does a LENR test reactor produce too many
 subatomic particles, how about a 1 megawatt plant, how adout a 10 or 100
 megawatt plant? What is the limit for safe exposure to muons?

 Is it wise to sit in the beam path of a particle accelerator producing
 mesons, pions and muons?

 On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
 orionwo...@charter.net wrote:

 From Axil:



 ...



  Rossi realty doesn't know what is happening inside the Hot cat...it
 new...

  but there is no free lunch in this world. For all those who care for

  Rossi's welfare. convince him to leave that shipping container.



 I wouldn't be surprised that Rossi doesn't have a firm understanding of
 what's happening either. But that pretty much describes any inventor,
 researcher, or scientist who by fate stumbles across a phenomenon that does
 not fit the text books.



 I gather you suspect Rossi is now in mortal danger of frying himself as
 he continues to stroke his kitties. I guess your concern for Rossi's health
 is touching.



 How long has Rossi been working hands-on in this field? And how much
 hands-on experience have you personally accumulated? If you have
 accumulated some hands-on experience please feel free to list some of that
 personal experience of yours so that I, too, can start feeling some concern
 for Rossi's fate. Otherwise...



 Regards,

 Steven Vincent Johnson

 OrionWorks.com

 zazzle.com/orionworks





Re: [Vo]:Entanglement and rotating balck holes

2015-07-19 Thread ChemE Stewart
Nature's version of quantum encryption.  See if you can unscramble it

http://extremeplanet.me/2013/05/21/analysis-of-the-2013-moore-tornado-the-deadliest-oklahoma-tornado-in-modern-history/

We reside in a false vacuum.   Like ants, we build our mounds, they get
wiped out occasionally and we start again.

Spacetime curls up routinely, bending electromagnetic radiation and
releasing nuclear yields of dark energy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Moore_tornado#/media/File:NWS_2013_Moore_radar_loop.gif

We were born entangled in uncertainty

Just my take on it.







On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:


 Black Holes and Quantum Entanglement

 In Natural Philosophy on October 5, 2011 at 3:24 am

 Note to regular readers–apologies for not writing all month. I have been
 really busy with my research in the mathematical domain. My ongoing work is
 on the question of the persistence of quantum entanglement around rotating
 black holes. This is interesting because, first of all, no one understands
 by what underlying mechanism entanglement works. I outlined it my post on
 the nature of reality, but let me give a shorter explanation here.

 Entanglement for soccer moms

 Suppose you have two fair coins. Imagine that every time one comes up
 heads the other comes up tails, i.e., they are perfectly correlated–even
 though they still have probability 1/2 of coming up heads individually!
 This is basically the case of maximal entanglement. Of course, we don’t
 observe this with coins but that is because of decoherence so that the
 probability of this happening with coins is vanishingly small. What is
 crazy is that this actually happens with quantum phenomena like spin, as
 has been verified experimentally innumerable times. No one knows by what
 mechanism such coordination takes place so this is a very mysterious
 phenomena. One would like to understand it better.

 Rotating black holes

 Theoretically, it’s clear that entanglement persists at arbitrarily large
 distances in flat spacetime. Might this be true for curved spacetime? This
 is quite relevant since we quite obviously live in the domain of general
 relativity (GR). In fact, our GPS devices would be a few hundred yards off
 if they did not make GR corrections to Newtonian mechanics. Essentially,
 one wants to know if this works the same way in spacetimes that are exact
 solutions to Einstein’s equations of general relativity. Mathematically,
 rotating black holes are just an interesting example of such spacetimes
 with just enough symmetry to allow for analytical solutions (Crucially, the
 Dirac equation for spin-1/2 particles separates into purely radial and
 axial equations which can then be solved explicitly.) [Nerd alert: This has
 to do with the existence of Killing-Yano tensors, which not only guarantee
 the separation of variables, they also ensure complete integrability–which
 means that the number of constants of motion that exist equal the dimension
 of spacetime. For a freely falling particle these are the rest mass,
 energy, angular momentum and the surprising fourth first integral called
 Carter’s constant which comes from the Killing-Yano tensor as well.]

 Now, one would like to investigate whether entanglement persists in the
 extremely curved vicinity of a rotating black hole, maybe with one particle
 inside the event horizon? The point being that the resolution of each
 particle’s spin is then independent of the curvature of spacetime
 (gravity). Or, more interestingly, that it gets entangled with the black
 hole itself.

 Since the spin of a particle couples to the curvature of spacetime,
 spin-spin entanglement spills over into entanglement of spin and momenta
 which are both described by the spinor representing the particles.
 (Entanglement is expressed by both particles having the same wave function
 which is just a spinor in differential geometry.) A rotating black hole has
 a very interesting feature. The event horizon is the boundary of the black
 hole–from which even light, and therefore nothing else (current results
 about superluminal neutrinos aside) can escape. There is another horizon
 outside it called a Killing horizon. Between these horizons, in what is
 called the ergoregion, you have to rotate with the black hole; it takes
 infinite energy not to. I suspect that this spilling of spin entanglement
 into spin/momenta entanglement reaches a limit as one hits the Killing
 horizon and enters the ergoregion. However, this is an open question.



 The vicious interior

 The interior of a rotating black hole is considered unphysical.
 Mathematical physicists literally call it vicious, which is a technical
 term for a region where time travel is possible. In fact, the situation is
 much worse. One can go from any event–a point in spacetime (t,x,y,z)–to any
 other event in the interior by going enough number of times around the ring
 singularity (it is quite literally a time machine). However, 

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing

2015-07-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
http://darkmattersalot.com/2015/06/17/electrical-engineers-attending-a-star-trek-convention/

:)

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:

 Cool!



 Sign me up. Don't have anything yet to show me? No problemo! I trust you.
 Will you let me be your cheerleader?



 *Regards,*

 *Steven Vincent Johnson*

 *OrionWorks.com*

 *zazzle.com/orionworks http://zazzle.com/orionworks*



 *From:* ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2015 8:40 AM
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing



 Guys,



 I am designing a new spaceship with a warp drive and I am looking for
 investors, I have the prototype working...






 http://www.comicvine.com/profile/clark_el/blog/uss-enterprise-vs-battlestar-galactica/92202/



 On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:



 Found this using the google image search.  Really cool app.



 That is amazing.



 I tested it for this image and found it in several websites, in different
 sizes:



 http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Bockrisandcells.jpg



 Google correctly identified it as john bockris (lowercase).



 - Jed







Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing

2015-07-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
Guys,

I am designing a new spaceship with a warp drive and I am looking for
investors, I have the prototype working...



http://www.comicvine.com/profile/clark_el/blog/uss-enterprise-vs-battlestar-galactica/92202/

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Found this using the google image search.  Really cool app.


 That is amazing.

 I tested it for this image and found it in several websites, in different
 sizes:

 http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Bockrisandcells.jpg

 Google correctly identified it as john bockris (lowercase).

 - Jed




Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing

2015-07-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
I accept Pay Pal...

On Friday, July 17, 2015, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:

 Cool!



 Sign me up. Don't have anything yet to show me? No problemo! I trust you.
 Will you let me be your cheerleader?



 *Regards,*

 *Steven Vincent Johnson*

 *OrionWorks.com*

 *zazzle.com/orionworks http://zazzle.com/orionworks*



 *From:* ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cheme...@gmail.com');]
 *Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2015 8:40 AM
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy website is confusing



 Guys,



 I am designing a new spaceship with a warp drive and I am looking for
 investors, I have the prototype working...






 http://www.comicvine.com/profile/clark_el/blog/uss-enterprise-vs-battlestar-galactica/92202/



 On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jedrothw...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hohlr...@gmail.com'); wrote:



 Found this using the google image search.  Really cool app.



 That is amazing.



 I tested it for this image and found it in several websites, in different
 sizes:



 http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Bockrisandcells.jpg



 Google correctly identified it as john bockris (lowercase).



 - Jed







Re: [Vo]:on miniature black holes

2015-07-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
Good recent article on black holes forming wormholes through quantum
entanglement.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/20150424-wormholes-entanglement-firewalls-er-epr/

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 I found this short video an entertaining and helpful primer on miniature
 black holes.  I later learned that the narrator is reading straight from
 the text of an answer to a question on Reddit, What if there was a black
 hole in your pocket?

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nHBGFKLHZQ

 Eric




Re: [Vo]:Zero point energy in LENR

2015-07-16 Thread ChemE Stewart
I don't think my first pic went through. I think they come in all shapes
and sizes!



On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 7:59 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Thursday, July 16, 2015, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com
 wrote:

  I would not be surprised if these vortices were present sealing the
 inner walls of Casimir cavities  helping to evacuate the larger virtual
 particles that are suppressed out of the cavity in a sort of push pull
 arrangement. Even my relativistic perspective where the larger VP are still
 present but undergo Lorentzian contraction would still fit this push pull
 concept where the black hole like property of these vortices would
 accumulate to balance  the white hole like properties  of the cavity and
 result in relativistic level differentials that provide contraction [a
 super Ventori like effect of virtual particles at the nano scale].





 *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:35 PM
 *To:* vortex-l
 *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Zero point energy in LENR



 Where does the vacuum energy come from in LENR?

 Nano-particles slows down light and cause light to flow in a tight circle
 called a vortex. When this happens a black hole on a nano-scale is formed.
 This black hle of light sucks in virtual paericles from the vacuum.



 On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:








Re: [Vo]:Zero point energy in LENR

2015-07-16 Thread ChemE Stewart
On Thursday, July 16, 2015, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com
wrote:

  I would not be surprised if these vortices were present sealing the
 inner walls of Casimir cavities  helping to evacuate the larger virtual
 particles that are suppressed out of the cavity in a sort of push pull
 arrangement. Even my relativistic perspective where the larger VP are still
 present but undergo Lorentzian contraction would still fit this push pull
 concept where the black hole like property of these vortices would
 accumulate to balance  the white hole like properties  of the cavity and
 result in relativistic level differentials that provide contraction [a
 super Ventori like effect of virtual particles at the nano scale].





 *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','janap...@gmail.com');]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:35 PM
 *To:* vortex-l
 *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Zero point energy in LENR



 Where does the vacuum energy come from in LENR?

 Nano-particles slows down light and cause light to flow in a tight circle
 called a vortex. When this happens a black hole on a nano-scale is formed.
 This black hle of light sucks in virtual paericles from the vacuum.



 On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','janap...@gmail.com'); wrote:







Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-16 Thread ChemE Stewart
In case anyone wants to support a good cause:

http://www.reefguardians.org

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mark,

 I understand and I agree with you. Nature thrives around a balance, any
 chronic source of upset/pollution, be it chemical or electromagnetic, can
 throw that out of balance. A little poison is good for you...

 When I first started mapping wildlife disease two years ago, I mapped
 chronic wasting disease (CWD) in deer near radar stations (all of the maps
 are on my blog) with a link on my menu.

 A university PhD candidate emailed me and told me that chronic wasting
 disease is a possibly a type of Protein/Prion disease

 http://www.cwd-info.org/index.php/fuseaction/about.main
 Infectious agents of CWD are neither bacteria nor viruses, but are
 hypothesized to be prions. Prions are infectious proteins without
 associated nucleic acids.

 http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/prion-disease.

 I love my radiation devices but do they love us?

 Hopefully everyone learned something about radars yesterday...

 Stewart

 On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 1:58 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','zeropo...@charter.net'); wrote:

 Since I was the one who initiated this thread, I feel responsible to
 clear things up… calm down and take a deep breath!



 Dave and Stewart, you two have completely missed the point, and Dave, it
 is clear that you have not read my original post, nor any of the
 references.  Let me also say that I may be a bit of an odd-man-out in the
 Vort Collective since I have degrees in both Biology and ComputerSci, and
 it is understandable how someone without the biology background might miss
 the main point I was trying to make.  Please read the following points
 carefully:



 1. the PRF (pulse-repetition-frequency) is NOT the issue or possible
 ‘cause’ I was referring to in my original post.



 2. the references in my post show that protein reactivity CAN BE AFFECTED
 by THz EM waves IN SOLUTION, causing significant changes to ‘normal’
 biochemical processes.  Since PROPER protein interactions are ESSENTIAL to
 living organisms, and exposure to even very low levels can cause this
 disruption of biochemical processes, it could lead to deleterious effects
 to the organism. Here is the title to one of the refs which states it very
 succinctly:

 “Terahertz underdamped vibrational motion governs protein-ligand binding
 in solution”

 Let me provide some explanation as to the significance of the wording in
 this title:

 - why ‘underdamped’, and ‘in solution’?  Interaction of NON-ionizing EM
 waves with biological tissue/processes has always been thought to be HIGHLY
 DAMPED due to the high (salt) water content of biological tissues, thus,
 not likely to cause much interaction with physical elements (i.e., living
 cells and various molecules). And this is probably the case for the vast
 majority of EM frequencies.  However, it now appears that protein
 conformation (physical folding 3D shape) has evolved to be in a state of
 near criticality which is key to the proteins ability to interact with very
 specific other proteins or molecules.  The underdamped vibrations which the
 Thz waves cause in the protein, or subunits of the protein, although only
 lasting picoseconds, are enough to trigger the conformational change BEFORE
 the protein has a chance to interact with its target protein/molecule.  If
 this is allowed to happen on a continuous basis, it could have very
 deleterious effects on the health of the organism.



 3. If even a minute amount of EM power at very high frequencies makes it
 to the depth of the coral-building organisms, there is a possibility that
 it would disrupt some aspect of their biochemical processes, leading to
 their decline/death. If the radars were only on for a few mins/hours a day,
 the organisms could probably recover, but when hit with it 24/7/365, their
 systems eventually degrade causing death.  This is a **reasonable**
 scenario given this new knowledge about how EM can affect protein
 interactions.  Is it the cause of coral and other sea-life deaths???  I
 don’t know, but wanted to pass it along…



 4. Although one of the references was referring to Thz freq’s, it would
 be reasonable to assume that Ghz or lower freqs might also cause similar
 disruption to biochemical processes.



 In looking at this thread, the fact that it got sidetracked is probably
 because most of my original text was deleted early on and Dave did not go
 back to read it…



 -Mark Iverson







Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-08 Thread ChemE Stewart
Mark,

I understand and I agree with you. Nature thrives around a balance, any
chronic source of upset/pollution, be it chemical or electromagnetic, can
throw that out of balance. A little poison is good for you...

When I first started mapping wildlife disease two years ago, I mapped
chronic wasting disease (CWD) in deer near radar stations (all of the maps
are on my blog) with a link on my menu.

A university PhD candidate emailed me and told me that chronic wasting
disease is a possibly a type of Protein/Prion disease

http://www.cwd-info.org/index.php/fuseaction/about.main
Infectious agents of CWD are neither bacteria nor viruses, but are
hypothesized to be prions. Prions are infectious proteins without
associated nucleic acids.

http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/prion-disease.

I love my radiation devices but do they love us?

Hopefully everyone learned something about radars yesterday...

Stewart

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 1:58 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
wrote:

 Since I was the one who initiated this thread, I feel responsible to clear
 things up… calm down and take a deep breath!



 Dave and Stewart, you two have completely missed the point, and Dave, it
 is clear that you have not read my original post, nor any of the
 references.  Let me also say that I may be a bit of an odd-man-out in the
 Vort Collective since I have degrees in both Biology and ComputerSci, and
 it is understandable how someone without the biology background might miss
 the main point I was trying to make.  Please read the following points
 carefully:



 1. the PRF (pulse-repetition-frequency) is NOT the issue or possible
 ‘cause’ I was referring to in my original post.



 2. the references in my post show that protein reactivity CAN BE AFFECTED
 by THz EM waves IN SOLUTION, causing significant changes to ‘normal’
 biochemical processes.  Since PROPER protein interactions are ESSENTIAL to
 living organisms, and exposure to even very low levels can cause this
 disruption of biochemical processes, it could lead to deleterious effects
 to the organism. Here is the title to one of the refs which states it very
 succinctly:

 “Terahertz underdamped vibrational motion governs protein-ligand binding
 in solution”

 Let me provide some explanation as to the significance of the wording in
 this title:

 - why ‘underdamped’, and ‘in solution’?  Interaction of NON-ionizing EM
 waves with biological tissue/processes has always been thought to be HIGHLY
 DAMPED due to the high (salt) water content of biological tissues, thus,
 not likely to cause much interaction with physical elements (i.e., living
 cells and various molecules). And this is probably the case for the vast
 majority of EM frequencies.  However, it now appears that protein
 conformation (physical folding 3D shape) has evolved to be in a state of
 near criticality which is key to the proteins ability to interact with very
 specific other proteins or molecules.  The underdamped vibrations which the
 Thz waves cause in the protein, or subunits of the protein, although only
 lasting picoseconds, are enough to trigger the conformational change BEFORE
 the protein has a chance to interact with its target protein/molecule.  If
 this is allowed to happen on a continuous basis, it could have very
 deleterious effects on the health of the organism.



 3. If even a minute amount of EM power at very high frequencies makes it
 to the depth of the coral-building organisms, there is a possibility that
 it would disrupt some aspect of their biochemical processes, leading to
 their decline/death. If the radars were only on for a few mins/hours a day,
 the organisms could probably recover, but when hit with it 24/7/365, their
 systems eventually degrade causing death.  This is a **reasonable**
 scenario given this new knowledge about how EM can affect protein
 interactions.  Is it the cause of coral and other sea-life deaths???  I
 don’t know, but wanted to pass it along…



 4. Although one of the references was referring to Thz freq’s, it would be
 reasonable to assume that Ghz or lower freqs might also cause similar
 disruption to biochemical processes.



 In looking at this thread, the fact that it got sidetracked is probably
 because most of my original text was deleted early on and Dave did not go
 back to read it…



 -Mark Iverson





Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Marine life on the North Shore of Kauai, HI:

https://www.facebook.com/honulilley/media_set?set=a.10152814052996556.1073742148.574581555type=3pnref=story

Electrons/charged ions will discharge along pointed surfaces, decaying them
(that is why airplane wings have wicks on tips/trailing surfaces to
discharge electrical buildup)

Spotted reef fish turning black and fins rotting off
Sharks going belly up for no known reason
Shark fins showing signs of strong electrical discharge
Turtle flippers/shell shwing signs of decaying along edges and getting
eaten to the bone by cleaning fish
Coral reef 70-80% dead polyps for 10 miles
CaCO3 skeleton of 4 million year old coral reef is disassociating and
suspended in the seawater.
Only one small river discharges in area with small amount of mud.
pH is normal in river as well as chemicals within limits
Kauai is a remote island with less tourists than others
Big Island coral reef is doing fine

30 million pulsed watts of radars atop the hill in North Kauai, ~ 2
terrwatts EIRP
Lots of military warships/wargames off North shore, including electronic
warfare/directed energy weapons

Party on dudes.

Stewart


On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 11:36 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 JoJo sent me a message to post, so I will post. We will agree to disagree
 about the radars/antennas near seawater.  I don't disagree electrodes can
 stimulate growth, they can also kill it.

 http://fishshocker.net/

 Stewart

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: jojoiznar...@gmail.com
 Date: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...
 To: cheme...@gmail.com


 Stewart, this is Jojo Jaro.

 I have been following your posting on vortex regarding your hypothesis
 that electricity is killing the corals.  I believe you are wrong on that
 and you are barking up the wrong tree.

 If anything, mild electricity you documented from radars etc., would help
 corals grow faster rather than kill them.

 Google “Biorock” and “mineral accretion” were they zap 2 electrodes under
 seawater with 2V up to 12 V of electricity to stimulate coral growth.  The
 corals, oysters, fish and other marine creatures get attracted to the
 cathode and grow profusely up to 10 time faster.  Electricity at the levels
 you documented will increase coral growth, not kill them.

 My own computations for my onshore Pearl oyster farm indicates that
 zapping with 1.3 v would create a current of about .001 A which would not
 only be harmless to pearl oysters (Pinctada Maxima sp), but also stimulate
 faster growth.  Multiple studies have documented this.  Just google.

 Please copy and paste this email on Vortex so that people don’t waste time
 barking up the wrong tree.

 The simpler reason for coral death is plain old pollution and
 eutrophication of coastal waters.  Have you done a correlation study of
 coral deaths versus pollution levels in said waters.  I believe that if you
 do, you will find that there would be a strong correlation, much stronger
 than your radar correlation.  Could it simply be that radar station
 locations you documented tend to be located in coastal populated areas
 which would tend to pollute the coastal seawater?


 Jojo

 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 11:29 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Stray electrical currents from electromagnetic induction are an ongoing 
 problem
 in saltwater aquariums - diseased fish and marine life.
 http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1982006

 In Kauai, the North shore reef fish are turning black and some of the
 sharks are going belly up near the radar stations.  The fins of the green
 sea turtles and sharks in the area are getting eaten away.

 It is not the voltage potential that gets you, but the induced electrical
 currents as the potential seeks ground, if there is one.

 The ocean/seawater makes a very good ground.  Many receiving antennas
 near the coast run their ground into the ocean.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_plane
 To function as a ground plane, the conducting surface must be at least a
 quarter of the wavelength https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavelength (*λ*/4)
 of the radio waves in size. In lower frequency
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency antennas, such as the mast
 radiators https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mast_radiator used for
 broadcast antennas, the Earth itself (or a body of water such as a salt
 marsh or ocean) is used as a ground plane.

 Small waves at surface of ocean breaking over shallow reef also act as
 antennas to capture higher frequency EMF

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tIZUhu21sQ


 Stewart


 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net
 wrote:

 This must be done blind but even then, the experimenter effect (
 Marylyn Schlitz) would override the results ( Experimenter effect ).







 *From:* James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 7:07 AM
 *To:* vortex-l
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Possible cause

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Dave, the pulse train is a square wave, with the on amplitude approx 900'
long or longer depending upon duty cycle, bouncing between clouds/planes
and the suface of the ocean

Just one weather radar has an EIRP of 32 billion watts of power, which gets
ducted and scattered by planes and the atmosphere, more during storms.

Mildly shocking biology with every pulse, depending upon impedence

Electricity can kill you in a nanosecond, each radar pulse is 1000 times
longer that that in duration.

Admit it, you sparkies screwed up :)

Stewart









On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 The radar pulse rate does not effect the penetration into the water.  In
 other words, the 200 to 1000 Hz rate is applied to the carrier and does not
 independently appear anywhere else.

 Dave


  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cheme...@gmail.com');
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com');
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 8:12 am
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

  VLF https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_low_frequency radio waves
 (3–30 kHz https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz) can penetrate seawater
 to a depth of approximately 20 meters. Hence a submarine at shallow depth
 can use these frequencies.

   Most of the radars pulse at 200-1000 Hz.

   Most of the coral disease is in shallow water 20 meters

 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, ChemE Stewart  cheme...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cheme...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 Except low pulsed frequencies

 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, James Bowery  jabow...@gmail.com wrote:



  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
 wrote:

  This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but some
 others may have an interest…

 Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link
 between our modern radar systems and the dying of coral reefs…

   ...
 Time to break out the tin-foil hats???


  No need.  Salt water shields against EM penetration.




Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
How many dead fish do we have to have and dead birds falling from the sky
to have before you sparkies understand your mistake?

http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/01/12/florida-2/

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:48 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 The radar RF signal is not being rectified by the water into a DC current
 like your chart is assuming.  The signal is actually reflected from the
 surface layers with extremely small penetration.   The pulse rate has
 nothing to do with the high frequency RF reflection behavior for a typical
 installation.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 9:50 am
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

  Low frequency pulse.

  Also, we are not communicating with the marine life and coral reef, the
 evidence is mounting that 2 terrawatts of effective isotropic radiated
 power (EIRP) in a local area scattered by the overhead atmosphere is mildly
 shocking the marine life through electromagnetic induction and conduction
 through the salt water near the surface as it grounds out into the ocean.
 You can't fool mother nature sort of thing.

  Here is a model of induced electrical currents in seawater surface
 around just one ship's antennas.  Now imagine 27 high power coastal based
 radars/antennas and 45 warship radars/antennas in one area.


 http://darkmattersalot.com/2015/05/14/how-cousteau-and-noaa-killed-the-reef/


Effects of Electrical Current* on the Body [3]
 http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2002-123/2002-123f.html#end3  *Current*
 *Reaction*  1 milliamp Just a faint tingle.  5 milliamps Slight shock
 felt. Disturbing, but not painful. Most people can “let go.” However,
 strong involuntary movements can cause injuries.  6-25 milliamps (women)†
 9-30 milliamps (men) Painful shock. Muscular control is lost. This is the
 range where “freezing currents” start. It may not be possible to “let go.”  
 50-150
 milliamps Extremely painful shock, respiratory arrest (breathing stops),
 severe muscle contractions. Flexor muscles may cause holding on; extensor
 muscles may cause intense pushing away. Death is possible.  1,000-4,300
 milliamps (1-4.3 amps) Ventricular fibrillation (heart pumping action not
 rhythmic) occurs. Muscles contract; nerve damage occurs. Death is likely.  
 10,000
 milliamps (10 amps) Cardiac arrest and severe burns occur. Death is
 probable.









  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:43 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

  Low pulsed frequency is a contradiction in terms.

  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:01 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Except low pulsed frequencies


 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, James Bowery  jabow...@gmail.com wrote:



  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
  wrote:

  This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but some
 others may have an interest…

 Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link
 between our modern radar systems and the dying of coral reefs…

   ...
 Time to break out the tin-foil hats???


  No need.  Salt water shields against EM penetration.






Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
This is a good article

http://what-when-how.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/tmp1A545_thumb.jpg

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:22 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 David,

 Of course the low frequency square pulses show up on receivers, that is
 how pulsed doppler works!


 http://www.rfcafe.com/references/articles/images/Signal-Analysis-Modern-Radar-R-S-6.jpg

 When it is on (every pulse) a weather radar puts out ~1,000,000 WATTS, (32
 billion watts EIRP)

 Stewart


 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:10 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 Come on now Stewart.  If you take the time to analyze the spectrum of a
 pulsed radar signal, you will find that all of the energy is contained in a
 location surrounding the carrier frequency.   Also, how well do you think a
 dish radar antenna being feed by a bandwidth limited waveguide is going to
 radiate those 200 to 1000 Hz signals?   If you can show me where any
 significant amount of that low frequency is radiated I will assume that you
 are knowledgeable in RF design.

 It is easy to convince people that know nothing about radio and radar
 systems to be concerned about unimportant issues.  And, as everyone knows,
 statistics can prove just about anything that you wish to prove based upon
 the restrictions that are placed upon the data that is analyzed.

 The same type of reasoning is used to keep kids from being vaccinated or
 cellular antenna locations from being located in the ideal places.  We need
 real science instead of  variable statistics to settle these issues
 properly.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 1:53 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

  Dave, the pulse train is a square wave, with the on amplitude approx
 900' long or longer depending upon duty cycle, bouncing between
 clouds/planes and the suface of the ocean

  Just one weather radar has an EIRP of 32 billion watts of power, which
 gets ducted and scattered by planes and the atmosphere, more during storms.

  Mildly shocking biology with every pulse, depending upon impedence

  Electricity can kill you in a nanosecond, each radar pulse is 1000
 times longer that that in duration.

  Admit it, you sparkies  screwed up :)

  Stewart









 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, David Roberson  dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 The radar pulse rate does not effect the penetration into the water.
 In other words, the 200 to 1000 Hz rate is applied to the carrier and does
 not independently appear anywhere else.

 Dave


  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart  cheme...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l  vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 8:12 am
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

  VLF https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_low_frequency radio waves
 (3–30 kHz https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz) can penetrate
 seawater to a depth of approximately 20 meters. Hence a submarine at
 shallow depth can use these frequencies.

   Most of the radars pulse at 200-1000 Hz.

   Most of the coral disease is in shallow water 20 meters

 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, ChemE Stewart  cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Except low pulsed frequencies

 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, James Bowery  jabow...@gmail.com wrote:



  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint 
 zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

   This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but
 some others may have an interest…

  Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link
 between our modern radar systems and the dying of coral reefs…

   ...
  Time to break out the tin-foil hats???


  No need.  Salt water shields against EM penetration.





Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
That was the picture, this is the article

http://what-when-how.com/remote-sensing-from-air-and-space/theory-radar-remote-sensing-part-1/

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:24 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is a good article

 http://what-when-how.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/tmp1A545_thumb.jpg

 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:22 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 David,

 Of course the low frequency square pulses show up on receivers, that is
 how pulsed doppler works!


 http://www.rfcafe.com/references/articles/images/Signal-Analysis-Modern-Radar-R-S-6.jpg

 When it is on (every pulse) a weather radar puts out ~1,000,000 WATTS,
 (32 billion watts EIRP)

 Stewart


 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:10 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
 wrote:

 Come on now Stewart.  If you take the time to analyze the spectrum of a
 pulsed radar signal, you will find that all of the energy is contained in a
 location surrounding the carrier frequency.   Also, how well do you think a
 dish radar antenna being feed by a bandwidth limited waveguide is going to
 radiate those 200 to 1000 Hz signals?   If you can show me where any
 significant amount of that low frequency is radiated I will assume that you
 are knowledgeable in RF design.

 It is easy to convince people that know nothing about radio and radar
 systems to be concerned about unimportant issues.  And, as everyone knows,
 statistics can prove just about anything that you wish to prove based upon
 the restrictions that are placed upon the data that is analyzed.

 The same type of reasoning is used to keep kids from being vaccinated or
 cellular antenna locations from being located in the ideal places.  We need
 real science instead of  variable statistics to settle these issues
 properly.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 1:53 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

  Dave, the pulse train is a square wave, with the on amplitude approx
 900' long or longer depending upon duty cycle, bouncing between
 clouds/planes and the suface of the ocean

  Just one weather radar has an EIRP of 32 billion watts of power, which
 gets ducted and scattered by planes and the atmosphere, more during storms.

  Mildly shocking biology with every pulse, depending upon impedence

  Electricity can kill you in a nanosecond, each radar pulse is 1000
 times longer that that in duration.

  Admit it, you sparkies  screwed up :)

  Stewart









 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, David Roberson  dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 The radar pulse rate does not effect the penetration into the water.
 In other words, the 200 to 1000 Hz rate is applied to the carrier and does
 not independently appear anywhere else.

 Dave


  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart  cheme...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l  vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 8:12 am
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

  VLF https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_low_frequency radio waves
 (3–30 kHz https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz) can penetrate
 seawater to a depth of approximately 20 meters. Hence a submarine at
 shallow depth can use these frequencies.

   Most of the radars pulse at 200-1000 Hz.

   Most of the coral disease is in shallow water 20 meters

 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, ChemE Stewart  cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Except low pulsed frequencies

 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, James Bowery  jabow...@gmail.com wrote:



  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint 
 zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

   This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but
 some others may have an interest…

  Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link
 between our modern radar systems and the dying of coral reefs…

   ...
  Time to break out the tin-foil hats???


  No need.  Salt water shields against EM penetration.






Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
I admit runoff can kill reefs

I admit low pH can kill reefs

I admit walking on reefs can kill reefs

North Shore of Kauai has little of that

Nobody ever considered radiation, which BTW has been shown to be bad for
biology

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:00 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 No, I have concentrated on pulsed radars, which pulse at 0-1000 Hz,
 considered very low frequencies.

 Dave you are generalizing and have done no research yourself.

 Here is some:


 http://darkmattersalot.com/2015/05/19/and-you-thought-the-bp-oil-spill-was-bad/

 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:55 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 Of course if you limit your impact to those transmitters that
 communicate with submarines then these very low frequency signals do travel
 into the deeper water.  But, so far it appears that you have placed all
 type of radars, etc. into the same category, which is not reasonable.

 From what I read in the news there are ocean dead zones in many locations
 that have little or nothing at all to do with RF transmissions.   Many
 reefs are dying where no transmitters are located nearby to contribute to
 the problem.  The concern about warming waters is a major one that is often
 used to explain the dying and that is more likely than high frequency RF
 transmissions.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 10:07 am
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

  Thanks for the numbers.

  This should be relatively straight forward to test:

  Set up two salt water aquariums supporting comparable coral
 populations.  Run them for a year or so to see they are stable.  Then
 subject one of them to low frequency EM radiation.

  PS:  What I mean contraction in terms is that pulse implies high
 frequency components and, indeed, is usually illustrated by time
 differential on a square wave to filter out the low frequency components.
 However, your point is well taken -- a short duration transmission of a
 high power low frequency signal will penetrate salt water -- with a very
 drastic reduction in power with depth, as your numbers show.

  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:50 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Low frequency pulse.

  Also, we are not communicating with the marine life and coral reef,
 the evidence is mounting that 2 terrawatts of effective isotropic radiated
 power (EIRP) in a local area scattered by the overhead atmosphere is mildly
 shocking the marine life through electromagnetic induction and conduction
 through the salt water near the surface as it grounds out into the ocean.
 You can't fool mother nature sort of thing.

  Here is a model of induced electrical currents in seawater surface
 around just one ship's antennas.  Now imagine 27 high power coastal based
 radars/antennas and 45 warship radars/antennas in one area.


 http://darkmattersalot.com/2015/05/14/how-cousteau-and-noaa-killed-the-reef/


Effects of Electrical Current* on the Body [3]
 http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2002-123/2002-123f.html#end3  *Current*
 *Reaction*  1 milliamp Just a faint tingle.  5 milliamps Slight shock
 felt. Disturbing, but not painful. Most people can “let go.” However,
 strong involuntary movements can cause injuries.  6-25 milliamps
 (women)†
 9-30 milliamps (men) Painful shock. Muscular control is lost. This is
 the range where “freezing currents” start. It may not be possible to “let
 go.”  50-150 milliamps Extremely painful shock, respiratory arrest
 (breathing stops), severe muscle contractions. Flexor muscles may cause
 holding on; extensor muscles may cause intense pushing away. Death is
 possible.  1,000-4,300 milliamps (1-4.3 amps) Ventricular fibrillation
 (heart pumping action not rhythmic) occurs. Muscles contract; nerve damage
 occurs. Death is likely.  10,000 milliamps (10 amps) Cardiac arrest and
 severe burns occur. Death is probable.









  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:43 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Low pulsed frequency is a contradiction in terms.

  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:01 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Except low pulsed frequencies


 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, James Bowery  jabow...@gmail.com wrote:



  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint 
 zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

  This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but
 some others may have an interest…

 Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link
 between our modern radar systems and the dying of coral reefs…

   ...
 Time to break out the tin-foil hats???


  No need.  Salt water shields against EM penetration.








Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
No, I have concentrated on pulsed radars, which pulse at 0-1000 Hz,
considered very low frequencies.

Dave you are generalizing and have done no research yourself.

Here is some:

http://darkmattersalot.com/2015/05/19/and-you-thought-the-bp-oil-spill-was-bad/

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:55 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 Of course if you limit your impact to those transmitters that communicate
 with submarines then these very low frequency signals do travel into the
 deeper water.  But, so far it appears that you have placed all type of
 radars, etc. into the same category, which is not reasonable.

 From what I read in the news there are ocean dead zones in many locations
 that have little or nothing at all to do with RF transmissions.   Many
 reefs are dying where no transmitters are located nearby to contribute to
 the problem.  The concern about warming waters is a major one that is often
 used to explain the dying and that is more likely than high frequency RF
 transmissions.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 10:07 am
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

  Thanks for the numbers.

  This should be relatively straight forward to test:

  Set up two salt water aquariums supporting comparable coral
 populations.  Run them for a year or so to see they are stable.  Then
 subject one of them to low frequency EM radiation.

  PS:  What I mean contraction in terms is that pulse implies high
 frequency components and, indeed, is usually illustrated by time
 differential on a square wave to filter out the low frequency components.
 However, your point is well taken -- a short duration transmission of a
 high power low frequency signal will penetrate salt water -- with a very
 drastic reduction in power with depth, as your numbers show.

  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:50 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Low frequency pulse.

  Also, we are not communicating with the marine life and coral reef, the
 evidence is mounting that 2 terrawatts of effective isotropic radiated
 power (EIRP) in a local area scattered by the overhead atmosphere is mildly
 shocking the marine life through electromagnetic induction and conduction
 through the salt water near the surface as it grounds out into the ocean.
 You can't fool mother nature sort of thing.

  Here is a model of induced electrical currents in seawater surface
 around just one ship's antennas.  Now imagine 27 high power coastal based
 radars/antennas and 45 warship radars/antennas in one area.


 http://darkmattersalot.com/2015/05/14/how-cousteau-and-noaa-killed-the-reef/


Effects of Electrical Current* on the Body [3]
 http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2002-123/2002-123f.html#end3  *Current*
 *Reaction*  1 milliamp Just a faint tingle.  5 milliamps Slight shock
 felt. Disturbing, but not painful. Most people can “let go.” However,
 strong involuntary movements can cause injuries.  6-25 milliamps (women)†
 9-30 milliamps (men) Painful shock. Muscular control is lost. This is
 the range where “freezing currents” start. It may not be possible to “let
 go.”  50-150 milliamps Extremely painful shock, respiratory arrest
 (breathing stops), severe muscle contractions. Flexor muscles may cause
 holding on; extensor muscles may cause intense pushing away. Death is
 possible.  1,000-4,300 milliamps (1-4.3 amps) Ventricular fibrillation
 (heart pumping action not rhythmic) occurs. Muscles contract; nerve damage
 occurs. Death is likely.  10,000 milliamps (10 amps) Cardiac arrest and
 severe burns occur. Death is probable.









  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:43 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Low pulsed frequency is a contradiction in terms.

  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:01 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Except low pulsed frequencies


 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, James Bowery  jabow...@gmail.com wrote:



  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint 
 zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

  This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but
 some others may have an interest…

 Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link
 between our modern radar systems and the dying of coral reefs…

   ...
 Time to break out the tin-foil hats???


  No need.  Salt water shields against EM penetration.







Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Last time I argued with you about this you told me you got shocked by an RF
antenna

You proved my point.

I loved radio, but I like Pandora better and that comes through a cable (at
least to my house :))

Stewart

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:41 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 Not really Stewart.  I have worked on radios and theory for many years
 and I understand it quite well.  You are missing the point about the pulse
 repetition rate and its relationship to the radiated signal.  The low
 frequencies are not radiated by a very band limited high frequency RF
 transmission system.   That is trivial and anyone with RF experience
 understands it.   You are not well informed about how these systems operate
 and are making assumptions that do not exist.

 Have you spent many years designing radios or putting systems into
 operation?  You should let all the vortex readers know about your
 background in RF transmitters so that they can judge the accuracy of your
 predictions.   I am happy to discuss my career in that field.

 Much of the modern world depends upon RF communications and I am quite
 proud of the work I have done in that area.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 2:00 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

  No, I have concentrated on pulsed radars, which pulse at 0-1000 Hz,
 considered very low frequencies.

  Dave you are generalizing and have done no research yourself.

  Here is some:


 http://darkmattersalot.com/2015/05/19/and-you-thought-the-bp-oil-spill-was-bad/

  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:55 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
 wrote:

 Of course if you limit your impact to those transmitters that
 communicate with submarines then these very low frequency signals do travel
 into the deeper water.  But, so far it appears that you have placed all
 type of radars, etc. into the same category, which is not reasonable.

 From what I read in the news there are ocean dead zones in many locations
 that have little or nothing at all to do with RF transmissions.   Many
 reefs are dying where no transmitters are located nearby to contribute to
 the problem.  The concern about warming waters is a major one that is often
 used to explain the dying and that is more likely than high frequency RF
 transmissions.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
  Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 10:07 am
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

Thanks for the numbers.

  This should be relatively straight forward to test:

  Set up two salt water aquariums supporting comparable coral
 populations.  Run them for a year or so to see they are stable.  Then
 subject one of them to low frequency EM radiation.

  PS:  What I mean contraction in terms is that pulse implies high
 frequency components and, indeed, is usually illustrated by time
 differential on a square wave to filter out the low frequency components.
 However, your point is well taken -- a short duration transmission of a
 high power low frequency signal will penetrate salt water -- with a very
 drastic reduction in power with depth, as your numbers show.

  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:50 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Low frequency pulse.

  Also, we are not communicating with the marine life and coral reef,
 the evidence is mounting that 2 terrawatts of effective isotropic radiated
 power (EIRP) in a local area scattered by the overhead atmosphere is mildly
 shocking the marine life through electromagnetic induction and conduction
 through the salt water near the surface as it grounds out into the ocean.
 You can't fool mother nature sort of thing.

  Here is a model of induced electrical currents in seawater surface
 around just one ship's antennas.  Now imagine 27 high power coastal based
 radars/antennas and 45 warship radars/antennas in one area.


 http://darkmattersalot.com/2015/05/14/how-cousteau-and-noaa-killed-the-reef/


Effects of Electrical Current* on the Body [3]
 http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2002-123/2002-123f.html#end3  *Current*
 *Reaction*  1 milliamp Just a faint tingle.  5 milliamps Slight shock
 felt. Disturbing, but not painful. Most people can “let go.” However,
 strong involuntary movements can cause injuries.  6-25 milliamps
 (women)†
 9-30 milliamps (men) Painful shock. Muscular control is lost. This is
 the range where “freezing currents” start. It may not be possible to “let
 go.”  50-150 milliamps Extremely painful shock, respiratory arrest
 (breathing stops), severe muscle contractions. Flexor muscles may cause
 holding on; extensor muscles may cause intense pushing away. Death is
 possible.  1,000-4,300 milliamps (1-4.3 amps) Ventricular fibrillation
 (heart pumping action not rhythmic) occurs. Muscles contract; nerve damage
 occurs. Death is likely.  10,000 milliamps (10 amps) Cardiac

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
David, all doppler weather, FAA, military radars send pulse trains at
200-1000 Hz.  Just google doppler radar, they are ALL pulsed signals.  The
carrier frequency (while they are on) determines how well the pulses are
absorbed in things like water.  2.5 - 6 GHz (microwave oven, wifi, weather
radars) are absorbed/attenuated well by water.

I am not saying give up on all radars and electronic gadgets, just be smart.

Let's make sure nature does not have a limit on how much EMF we can blast
into the atmosphere 24/7 into a given area.

That's all.  No conspiracy theories, chemtrails, little green men.

Stewart

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:29 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 It is up to those that propose problems such as you are doing to prove
 that the transmitters are a big problem for society.   Some people would
 also be concerned about the safety of air transportation without radar or
 radio guidance.   Are you ready to give up on your cellular radios and
 other modern devices?

 You are going to have a difficult time attempting to eliminate radio and
 radar from the world!

 Please show me how the 200 to 1000 Hz signal is going to be radiated by a
 typical radar antenna system.   I can tell you that you will not be able to
 show that and I am confident that you can not answer that question in an
 accepted engineering manner.  Until you can do so, you should not keep
 repeating something that all of us radio engineers know is inaccurate.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 1:56 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

  How many dead fish do we have to have and dead birds falling from the
 sky to have before you sparkies understand your mistake?

  http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/01/12/florida-2/

  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:48 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
 wrote:

 The radar RF signal is not being rectified by the water into a DC
 current like your chart is assuming.  The signal is actually reflected from
 the surface layers with extremely small penetration.   The pulse rate has
 nothing to do with the high frequency RF reflection behavior for a typical
 installation.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
  Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 9:50 am
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

Low frequency pulse.

  Also, we are not communicating with the marine life and coral reef, the
 evidence is mounting that 2 terrawatts of effective isotropic radiated
 power (EIRP) in a local area scattered by the overhead atmosphere is mildly
 shocking the marine life through electromagnetic induction and conduction
 through the salt water near the surface as it grounds out into the ocean.
 You can't fool mother nature sort of thing.

  Here is a model of induced electrical currents in seawater surface
 around just one ship's antennas.  Now imagine 27 high power coastal based
 radars/antennas and 45 warship radars/antennas in one area.


 http://darkmattersalot.com/2015/05/14/how-cousteau-and-noaa-killed-the-reef/


Effects of Electrical Current* on the Body [3]
 http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2002-123/2002-123f.html#end3  *Current*
 *Reaction*  1 milliamp Just a faint tingle.  5 milliamps Slight shock
 felt. Disturbing, but not painful. Most people can “let go.” However,
 strong involuntary movements can cause injuries.  6-25 milliamps (women)†
 9-30 milliamps (men) Painful shock. Muscular control is lost. This is
 the range where “freezing currents” start. It may not be possible to “let
 go.”  50-150 milliamps Extremely painful shock, respiratory arrest
 (breathing stops), severe muscle contractions. Flexor muscles may cause
 holding on; extensor muscles may cause intense pushing away. Death is
 possible.  1,000-4,300 milliamps (1-4.3 amps) Ventricular fibrillation
 (heart pumping action not rhythmic) occurs. Muscles contract; nerve damage
 occurs. Death is likely.  10,000 milliamps (10 amps) Cardiac arrest and
 severe burns occur. Death is probable.









  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:43 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Low pulsed frequency is a contradiction in terms.

  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:01 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Except low pulsed frequencies


 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, James Bowery  jabow...@gmail.com wrote:



  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint 
 zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

   This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but
 some others may have an interest…

  Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link
 between our modern radar systems and the dying of coral reefs…

   ...
  Time to break out the tin-foil hats???


  No need.  Salt water shields against EM penetration.







Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
OK, this is how the 200-1000 Hz signal is propogated

http://www.nwas.org/committees/avnwinterwx/doppler_weather_radar_overview.htm

A large parabolic dish antenna works well.



On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:29 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 It is up to those that propose problems such as you are doing to prove
 that the transmitters are a big problem for society.   Some people would
 also be concerned about the safety of air transportation without radar or
 radio guidance.   Are you ready to give up on your cellular radios and
 other modern devices?

 You are going to have a difficult time attempting to eliminate radio and
 radar from the world!

 Please show me how the 200 to 1000 Hz signal is going to be radiated by a
 typical radar antenna system.   I can tell you that you will not be able to
 show that and I am confident that you can not answer that question in an
 accepted engineering manner.  Until you can do so, you should not keep
 repeating something that all of us radio engineers know is inaccurate.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 1:56 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

  How many dead fish do we have to have and dead birds falling from the
 sky to have before you sparkies understand your mistake?

  http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/01/12/florida-2/

  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:48 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
 wrote:

 The radar RF signal is not being rectified by the water into a DC
 current like your chart is assuming.  The signal is actually reflected from
 the surface layers with extremely small penetration.   The pulse rate has
 nothing to do with the high frequency RF reflection behavior for a typical
 installation.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
  Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 9:50 am
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

Low frequency pulse.

  Also, we are not communicating with the marine life and coral reef, the
 evidence is mounting that 2 terrawatts of effective isotropic radiated
 power (EIRP) in a local area scattered by the overhead atmosphere is mildly
 shocking the marine life through electromagnetic induction and conduction
 through the salt water near the surface as it grounds out into the ocean.
 You can't fool mother nature sort of thing.

  Here is a model of induced electrical currents in seawater surface
 around just one ship's antennas.  Now imagine 27 high power coastal based
 radars/antennas and 45 warship radars/antennas in one area.


 http://darkmattersalot.com/2015/05/14/how-cousteau-and-noaa-killed-the-reef/


Effects of Electrical Current* on the Body [3]
 http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2002-123/2002-123f.html#end3  *Current*
 *Reaction*  1 milliamp Just a faint tingle.  5 milliamps Slight shock
 felt. Disturbing, but not painful. Most people can “let go.” However,
 strong involuntary movements can cause injuries.  6-25 milliamps (women)†
 9-30 milliamps (men) Painful shock. Muscular control is lost. This is
 the range where “freezing currents” start. It may not be possible to “let
 go.”  50-150 milliamps Extremely painful shock, respiratory arrest
 (breathing stops), severe muscle contractions. Flexor muscles may cause
 holding on; extensor muscles may cause intense pushing away. Death is
 possible.  1,000-4,300 milliamps (1-4.3 amps) Ventricular fibrillation
 (heart pumping action not rhythmic) occurs. Muscles contract; nerve damage
 occurs. Death is likely.  10,000 milliamps (10 amps) Cardiac arrest and
 severe burns occur. Death is probable.









  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:43 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Low pulsed frequency is a contradiction in terms.

  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:01 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Except low pulsed frequencies


 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, James Bowery  jabow...@gmail.com wrote:



  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint 
 zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

   This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but
 some others may have an interest…

  Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link
 between our modern radar systems and the dying of coral reefs…

   ...
  Time to break out the tin-foil hats???


  No need.  Salt water shields against EM penetration.







Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Here are some dead zones and radiation power density

http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/09/03/i-think-uncle-sam-definitely-did-it-in-the-lagoon-with-the-pulsed-microwave-radar/

enjoy!

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:55 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 Of course if you limit your impact to those transmitters that communicate
 with submarines then these very low frequency signals do travel into the
 deeper water.  But, so far it appears that you have placed all type of
 radars, etc. into the same category, which is not reasonable.

 From what I read in the news there are ocean dead zones in many locations
 that have little or nothing at all to do with RF transmissions.   Many
 reefs are dying where no transmitters are located nearby to contribute to
 the problem.  The concern about warming waters is a major one that is often
 used to explain the dying and that is more likely than high frequency RF
 transmissions.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 10:07 am
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

  Thanks for the numbers.

  This should be relatively straight forward to test:

  Set up two salt water aquariums supporting comparable coral
 populations.  Run them for a year or so to see they are stable.  Then
 subject one of them to low frequency EM radiation.

  PS:  What I mean contraction in terms is that pulse implies high
 frequency components and, indeed, is usually illustrated by time
 differential on a square wave to filter out the low frequency components.
 However, your point is well taken -- a short duration transmission of a
 high power low frequency signal will penetrate salt water -- with a very
 drastic reduction in power with depth, as your numbers show.

  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:50 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Low frequency pulse.

  Also, we are not communicating with the marine life and coral reef, the
 evidence is mounting that 2 terrawatts of effective isotropic radiated
 power (EIRP) in a local area scattered by the overhead atmosphere is mildly
 shocking the marine life through electromagnetic induction and conduction
 through the salt water near the surface as it grounds out into the ocean.
 You can't fool mother nature sort of thing.

  Here is a model of induced electrical currents in seawater surface
 around just one ship's antennas.  Now imagine 27 high power coastal based
 radars/antennas and 45 warship radars/antennas in one area.


 http://darkmattersalot.com/2015/05/14/how-cousteau-and-noaa-killed-the-reef/


Effects of Electrical Current* on the Body [3]
 http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2002-123/2002-123f.html#end3  *Current*
 *Reaction*  1 milliamp Just a faint tingle.  5 milliamps Slight shock
 felt. Disturbing, but not painful. Most people can “let go.” However,
 strong involuntary movements can cause injuries.  6-25 milliamps (women)†
 9-30 milliamps (men) Painful shock. Muscular control is lost. This is
 the range where “freezing currents” start. It may not be possible to “let
 go.”  50-150 milliamps Extremely painful shock, respiratory arrest
 (breathing stops), severe muscle contractions. Flexor muscles may cause
 holding on; extensor muscles may cause intense pushing away. Death is
 possible.  1,000-4,300 milliamps (1-4.3 amps) Ventricular fibrillation
 (heart pumping action not rhythmic) occurs. Muscles contract; nerve damage
 occurs. Death is likely.  10,000 milliamps (10 amps) Cardiac arrest and
 severe burns occur. Death is probable.









  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:43 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Low pulsed frequency is a contradiction in terms.

  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:01 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Except low pulsed frequencies


 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, James Bowery  jabow...@gmail.com wrote:



  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint 
 zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

  This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but
 some others may have an interest…

 Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link
 between our modern radar systems and the dying of coral reefs…

   ...
 Time to break out the tin-foil hats???


  No need.  Salt water shields against EM penetration.







Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
David,

Of course the low frequency square pulses show up on receivers, that is how
pulsed doppler works!

http://www.rfcafe.com/references/articles/images/Signal-Analysis-Modern-Radar-R-S-6.jpg

When it is on (every pulse) a weather radar puts out ~1,000,000 WATTS, (32
billion watts EIRP)

Stewart


On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:10 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 Come on now Stewart.  If you take the time to analyze the spectrum of a
 pulsed radar signal, you will find that all of the energy is contained in a
 location surrounding the carrier frequency.   Also, how well do you think a
 dish radar antenna being feed by a bandwidth limited waveguide is going to
 radiate those 200 to 1000 Hz signals?   If you can show me where any
 significant amount of that low frequency is radiated I will assume that you
 are knowledgeable in RF design.

 It is easy to convince people that know nothing about radio and radar
 systems to be concerned about unimportant issues.  And, as everyone knows,
 statistics can prove just about anything that you wish to prove based upon
 the restrictions that are placed upon the data that is analyzed.

 The same type of reasoning is used to keep kids from being vaccinated or
 cellular antenna locations from being located in the ideal places.  We need
 real science instead of  variable statistics to settle these issues
 properly.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 1:53 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

  Dave, the pulse train is a square wave, with the on amplitude approx
 900' long or longer depending upon duty cycle, bouncing between
 clouds/planes and the suface of the ocean

  Just one weather radar has an EIRP of 32 billion watts of power, which
 gets ducted and scattered by planes and the atmosphere, more during storms.

  Mildly shocking biology with every pulse, depending upon impedence

  Electricity can kill you in a nanosecond, each radar pulse is 1000 times
 longer that that in duration.

  Admit it, you sparkies  screwed up :)

  Stewart









 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, David Roberson  dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 The radar pulse rate does not effect the penetration into the water.  In
 other words, the 200 to 1000 Hz rate is applied to the carrier and does not
 independently appear anywhere else.

 Dave


  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart  cheme...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l  vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 8:12 am
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

  VLF https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_low_frequency radio waves
 (3–30 kHz https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz) can penetrate
 seawater to a depth of approximately 20 meters. Hence a submarine at
 shallow depth can use these frequencies.

   Most of the radars pulse at 200-1000 Hz.

   Most of the coral disease is in shallow water 20 meters

 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, ChemE Stewart  cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Except low pulsed frequencies

 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, James Bowery  jabow...@gmail.com wrote:



  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
  wrote:

   This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but
 some others may have an interest…

  Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link
 between our modern radar systems and the dying of coral reefs…

   ...
  Time to break out the tin-foil hats???


  No need.  Salt water shields against EM penetration.




Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Stray electrical currents from electromagnetic induction are an ongoing problem
in saltwater aquariums - diseased fish and marine life.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1982006

In Kauai, the North shore reef fish are turning black and some of the
sharks are going belly up near the radar stations.  The fins of the green
sea turtles and sharks in the area are getting eaten away.

It is not the voltage potential that gets you, but the induced electrical
currents as the potential seeks ground, if there is one.

The ocean/seawater makes a very good ground.  Many receiving antennas near
the coast run their ground into the ocean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_plane
To function as a ground plane, the conducting surface must be at least a
quarter of the wavelength https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavelength (*λ*/4)
of the radio waves in size. In lower frequency
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency antennas, such as the mast
radiators https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mast_radiator used for broadcast
antennas, the Earth itself (or a body of water such as a salt marsh or
ocean) is used as a ground plane.

Small waves at surface of ocean breaking over shallow reef also act as
antennas to capture higher frequency EMF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tIZUhu21sQ


Stewart


On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net wrote:

 This must be done blind but even then, the experimenter effect (
 Marylyn Schlitz) would override the results ( Experimenter effect ).







 *From:* James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 7:07 AM
 *To:* vortex-l
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...



 Thanks for the numbers.



 This should be relatively straight forward to test:



 Set up two salt water aquariums supporting comparable coral populations.
 Run them for a year or so to see they are stable.  Then subject one of them
 to low frequency EM radiation.



 PS:  What I mean contraction in terms is that pulse implies high
 frequency components and, indeed, is usually illustrated by time
 differential on a square wave to filter out the low frequency components.
 However, your point is well taken -- a short duration transmission of a
 high power low frequency signal will penetrate salt water -- with a very
 drastic reduction in power with depth, as your numbers show.



 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:50 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Low frequency pulse.



 Also, we are not communicating with the marine life and coral reef, the
 evidence is mounting that 2 terrawatts of effective isotropic radiated
 power (EIRP) in a local area scattered by the overhead atmosphere is mildly
 shocking the marine life through electromagnetic induction and conduction
 through the salt water near the surface as it grounds out into the ocean.
 You can't fool mother nature sort of thing.



 Here is a model of induced electrical currents in seawater surface around
 just one ship's antennas.  Now imagine 27 high power coastal based
 radars/antennas and 45 warship radars/antennas in one area.




 http://darkmattersalot.com/2015/05/14/how-cousteau-and-noaa-killed-the-reef/





 Effects of Electrical Current* on the Body [3]
 http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2002-123/2002-123f.html#end3

 *Current*

 *Reaction*

 1 milliamp

 Just a faint tingle.

 5 milliamps

 Slight shock felt. Disturbing, but not painful. Most people can “let go.”
 However, strong involuntary movements can cause injuries.

 6-25 milliamps (women)†
 9-30 milliamps (men)

 Painful shock. Muscular control is lost. This is the range where “freezing
 currents” start. It may not be possible to “let go.”

 50-150 milliamps

 Extremely painful shock, respiratory arrest (breathing stops), severe
 muscle contractions. Flexor muscles may cause holding on; extensor muscles
 may cause intense pushing away. Death is possible.

 1,000-4,300 milliamps (1-4.3 amps)

 Ventricular fibrillation (heart pumping action not rhythmic) occurs.
 Muscles contract; nerve damage occurs. Death is likely.

 10,000 milliamps (10 amps)

 Cardiac arrest and severe burns occur. Death is probable.



















 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:43 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Low pulsed frequency is a contradiction in terms.



 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:01 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Except low pulsed frequencies



 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:





 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
 wrote:

 This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but some
 others may have an interest…



 Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link between
 our modern radar systems and the dying of coral reefs…

 ...

 Time to break out the tin-foil hats???



 No need.  Salt water shields against EM penetration.








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https://www.avast.com/antivirus

 This email

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
JoJo sent me a message to post, so I will post. We will agree to disagree
about the radars/antennas near seawater.  I don't disagree electrodes can
stimulate growth, they can also kill it.

http://fishshocker.net/

Stewart

-- Forwarded message --
From: jojoiznar...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...
To: cheme...@gmail.com


Stewart, this is Jojo Jaro.

I have been following your posting on vortex regarding your hypothesis that
electricity is killing the corals.  I believe you are wrong on that and you
are barking up the wrong tree.

If anything, mild electricity you documented from radars etc., would help
corals grow faster rather than kill them.

Google “Biorock” and “mineral accretion” were they zap 2 electrodes under
seawater with 2V up to 12 V of electricity to stimulate coral growth.  The
corals, oysters, fish and other marine creatures get attracted to the
cathode and grow profusely up to 10 time faster.  Electricity at the levels
you documented will increase coral growth, not kill them.

My own computations for my onshore Pearl oyster farm indicates that zapping
with 1.3 v would create a current of about .001 A which would not only be
harmless to pearl oysters (Pinctada Maxima sp), but also stimulate faster
growth.  Multiple studies have documented this.  Just google.

Please copy and paste this email on Vortex so that people don’t waste time
barking up the wrong tree.

The simpler reason for coral death is plain old pollution and
eutrophication of coastal waters.  Have you done a correlation study of
coral deaths versus pollution levels in said waters.  I believe that if you
do, you will find that there would be a strong correlation, much stronger
than your radar correlation.  Could it simply be that radar station
locations you documented tend to be located in coastal populated areas
which would tend to pollute the coastal seawater?


Jojo

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 11:29 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Stray electrical currents from electromagnetic induction are an ongoing 
 problem
 in saltwater aquariums - diseased fish and marine life.
 http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1982006

 In Kauai, the North shore reef fish are turning black and some of the
 sharks are going belly up near the radar stations.  The fins of the green
 sea turtles and sharks in the area are getting eaten away.

 It is not the voltage potential that gets you, but the induced electrical
 currents as the potential seeks ground, if there is one.

 The ocean/seawater makes a very good ground.  Many receiving antennas near
 the coast run their ground into the ocean.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_plane
 To function as a ground plane, the conducting surface must be at least a
 quarter of the wavelength https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavelength (*λ*/4)
 of the radio waves in size. In lower frequency
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency antennas, such as the mast
 radiators https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mast_radiator used for
 broadcast antennas, the Earth itself (or a body of water such as a salt
 marsh or ocean) is used as a ground plane.

 Small waves at surface of ocean breaking over shallow reef also act as
 antennas to capture higher frequency EMF

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tIZUhu21sQ


 Stewart


 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net
 wrote:

 This must be done blind but even then, the experimenter effect (
 Marylyn Schlitz) would override the results ( Experimenter effect ).







 *From:* James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 7:07 AM
 *To:* vortex-l
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...



 Thanks for the numbers.



 This should be relatively straight forward to test:



 Set up two salt water aquariums supporting comparable coral populations.
 Run them for a year or so to see they are stable.  Then subject one of them
 to low frequency EM radiation.



 PS:  What I mean contraction in terms is that pulse implies high
 frequency components and, indeed, is usually illustrated by time
 differential on a square wave to filter out the low frequency components.
 However, your point is well taken -- a short duration transmission of a
 high power low frequency signal will penetrate salt water -- with a very
 drastic reduction in power with depth, as your numbers show.



 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:50 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Low frequency pulse.



 Also, we are not communicating with the marine life and coral reef, the
 evidence is mounting that 2 terrawatts of effective isotropic radiated
 power (EIRP) in a local area scattered by the overhead atmosphere is mildly
 shocking the marine life through electromagnetic induction and conduction
 through the salt water near the surface as it grounds out into the ocean.
 You can't fool mother nature sort of thing.



 Here is a model of induced

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
What about low flying aircraft overhead reflecting a strong signal back to
ground?

What about ducting events and high refraction off the atmosphere
during storms?

Salt water is 1000 times better conductor than soil and well grounded.

The radars are pulsing at very LOW frequencies and yes, the saltwater is
seeing the swing in EM fields.

Overlapping beam widths are covering thousands of sq ft at 1/2 mile away.
Just like your Doppler weather radar

I already showed you a model of electrical currents on ocean surface around
ships antennas.  You probably never looked

The evidence is strongly on my side.

You can even stir saltwater using Lorentz forces in a strong pulsing EM
field

Stewart

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 Rectification of the signal can cause small DC currents as you suggest.
 Any non linear behavior that treats both the positive and negative RF
 swings equally can not result in DC generation but instead causes harmonic
 generation of the RF carrier.  Do you consider salt water as capable of
 behaving differently to the positive versus negative instantaneous RF
 voltage and current waveforms?   Where is a reference to this behavior?

 The high frequency RF signal itself can not penetrate the water to any
 significant degree due to reflections from the surface.  Also, keep in mind
 that radar signals are aimed to keep their energy toward targets that are
 above the water surface in general, especially close by.  And the beam
 widths are so narrow that only a small portion of the radiated RF impacts
 the water near the antenna.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hoyt-stea...@cox.net');
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com');
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 5:50 pm
 Subject: RE: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

   Any non-linearity in a medium like salt water will cause baseband
 currents.


  *From:* David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dlrober...@aol.com?');]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 2:45 PM
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

 You are kidding right?

 Any signal that shows up is merely being translated in frequency from its
 original location down to the baseband.  The only signal received is very
 close in frequency to the carrier wave.  The modulation signal at the low
 Hertz rate is visible at the receiver output, but it was not radiated by
 the transmitter.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cheme...@gmail.com');
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com');
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 2:22 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...
  David,

  Of course the low frequency square pulses show up on receivers, that is
 how pulsed doppler works!


 http://www.rfcafe.com/references/articles/images/Signal-Analysis-Modern-Radar-R-S-6.jpg

  When it is on (every pulse) a weather radar puts out ~1,000,000 WATTS,
 (32 billion watts EIRP)

  Stewart


  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:10 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dlrober...@aol.com'); wrote:
 Come on now Stewart.  If you take the time to analyze the spectrum of a
 pulsed radar signal, you will find that all of the energy is contained in a
 location surrounding the carrier frequency.   Also, how well do you think a
 dish radar antenna being feed by a bandwidth limited waveguide is going to
 radiate those 200 to 1000 Hz signals?   If you can show me where any
 significant amount of that low frequency is radiated I will assume that you
 are knowledgeable in RF design.

 It is easy to convince people that know nothing about radio and radar
 systems to be concerned about unimportant issues.  And, as everyone knows,
 statistics can prove just about anything that you wish to prove based upon
 the restrictions that are placed upon the data that is analyzed.

 The same type of reasoning is used to keep kids from being vaccinated or
 cellular antenna locations from being located in the ideal places.  We need
 real science instead of  variable statistics to settle these issues
 properly.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cheme...@gmail.com');
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com');
  Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 1:53 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...
  Dave, the pulse train is a square wave, with the on amplitude approx
 900' long or longer depending upon duty cycle, bouncing between
 clouds/planes and the suface of the ocean

  Just one weather radar has an EIRP of 32 billion watts of power, which
 gets ducted and scattered by planes

[Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
I agree it has been covered.

Radar signals are absorbed by the ocean when there are more waves on the
surface of the ocean to absorb carrier waves.  A calm ocean is more
reflective.

The reference is on my site.

3-4 waves lapping over a shallow reef are a good spot to absorb and ground
2-6 GHz radiation into the reef

The way the conductive medium dissipates the signal is through low level
electrical currents.

Stewart

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dlrober...@aol.com'); wrote:

 Yep.  Those induced currents are at the RF microwave frequency that you
 are speaking of Stewart.  That is how reflections take place.  It also can
 be used to explain the attenuation of the main signal as it gets dissipated
 within the conductive medium.

 This subject has been covered sufficiently for the time being.We have
 LENR issues to discuss and I suspect that very few vortex members have
 significant interest in the coral reef discussion.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 6:42 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

  Right, and salt water flowing through a strong pulsing  EM field
 can induce electrical currents.

 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.  hoyt-stea...@cox.net
 wrote:

  Any non-linearity in a medium like salt water will cause baseband
 currents.


  *From:* David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 2:45 PM
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

 You are kidding right?

 Any signal that shows up is merely being translated in frequency from its
 original location down to the baseband.  The only signal received is very
 close in frequency to the carrier wave.  The modulation signal at the low
 Hertz rate is visible at the receiver output, but it was not radiated by
 the transmitter.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 2:22 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...
  David,

  Of course the low frequency square pulses show up on receivers, that is
 how pulsed doppler works!


 http://www.rfcafe.com/references/articles/images/Signal-Analysis-Modern-Radar-R-S-6.jpg

  When it is on (every pulse) a weather radar puts out ~1,000,000 WATTS,
 (32 billion watts EIRP)

  Stewart


  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:10 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
 wrote:
 Come on now Stewart.  If you take the time to analyze the spectrum of a
 pulsed radar signal, you will find that all of the energy is contained in a
 location surrounding the carrier frequency.   Also, how well do you think a
 dish radar antenna being feed by a bandwidth limited waveguide is going to
 radiate those 200 to 1000 Hz signals?   If you can show me where any
 significant amount of that low frequency is radiated I will assume that you
 are knowledgeable in RF design.

 It is easy to convince people that know nothing about radio and radar
 systems to be concerned about unimportant issues.  And, as everyone knows,
 statistics can prove just about anything that you wish to prove based upon
 the restrictions that are placed upon the data that is analyzed.

 The same type of reasoning is used to keep kids from being vaccinated or
 cellular antenna locations from being located in the ideal places.  We need
 real science instead of  variable statistics to settle these issues
 properly.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
  Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 1:53 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...
  Dave, the pulse train is a square wave, with the on amplitude approx
 900' long or longer depending upon duty cycle, bouncing between
 clouds/planes and the suface of the ocean

  Just one weather radar has an EIRP of 32 billion watts of power, which
 gets ducted and scattered by planes and the atmosphere, more during storms.

  Mildly shocking biology with every pulse, depending upon impedence

  Electricity can kill you in a nanosecond, each radar pulse is 1000
 times longer that that in duration.

  Admit it, you sparkies  screwed up :)

  Stewart









 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, David Roberson  dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
 The radar pulse rate does not effect the penetration into the water.  In
 other words, the 200 to 1000 Hz rate is applied to the carrier and does not
 independently appear anywhere else.

 Dave


  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart  cheme...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l  vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 8:12 am
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...
  VLF https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_low_frequency radio waves
 (3–30 kHz https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz) can penetrate
 seawater to a depth of approximately 20

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Dave,

Then stop talking since you have done no research on correlations of marine
life disease and human disease linked to EM radiation, which is
understandable since you have spent your career generating EM radiation and
you feel compelled to justify

http://www.ibtimes.com/international-scientists-warn-against-em-radiation-emitted-electronic-gadgets-1920862

Peak Pulsed power hitting surface of ocean reflecting off an aircraft 2000
ft overhead from a high gain radar is much higher than a low gain cell
signal.  Of course you RF guys average in the time the radar is off between
pulses to make it sound low average power

Ducting events are just as high power as reflecting events as the beam is
bent into the ground

I showed you a simulation calculating actual electrical current density in
the saltwater. Conductivity of saltwater is relativity constant at given
salinity and temp. and is ~ 1000 times better than soil.

http://www.fondriest.com/environmental-measurements/parameters/water-quality/conductivity-salinity-tds/

Where do you think that induced electrical current goes Dave??  Back into
thin air?  Complete the energy balance.  Electrical currents seek ground
via the path of least resistance.  A shallow reef is a good spot to go to
ground with lots of dissolved ions in the seawater

I showed you a few hundred thousand dead fish over 3 years and shocked
manatee clustered around microwave radars with a P-value 0.01 as well
diseased marine life with fins decayed off and fish turning black.  I
realize there is nothing that will convince you RF guys which is why we
have the problem in the first place.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21716201

http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/11/01/wow/

http://darkmattersalot.com/2015/05/21/just-for-the-hell-of-it-i-threw-in-the-microwave-relay-stations/

Talk with you later.

Stewart













On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:45 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 Stewart,

 I have already suggested that this discussion be terminated due to its
 interference with the main issues.  But, you clearly need good theoretical
 backing for your concepts.

 The reflections from a low flying aircraft that you think as large are not
 significant at all when you consider the actual number of watts being
 directed to the water below.Far more power density would enter the
 water from a person walking along the beach with a cellular phone in their
 hand.   And, keep in mind that the extremely close plane fly by would be
 rare when compared to the normal RF sweep where none are typically close
 by.  This is a non issue.

 Again, the ducting events represent a trivial amount of power density
 impacting the water.  Do the calculations and you will realize.

 And, the reason that the RF does not penetrate deeply into the salt water
 is for exactly the reason you mention(high conductivity).   That protects
 the reefs below form any serious RF levels.

 What is the conductivity of the salt water for the positive portion of the
 waveform?  And then you should answer the same question for the negative
 portion.  Saying so does not make it true.

 Why do you think I question that electrical currents appear on the ocean
 surface due to ship antennas?  This is exactly what is expected.  The vast
 majority of those currents are within the RF frequency region.  They are
 the physical phenomena that result in reflections from the ocean and it
 would be strange indeed if they were not present.  Did I need to read about
 that theory again?

 I have not seen anything new or revolutionary about your posts except for
 the assumptions that are not valid.  Is it really unusual to you that
 conductive salt water can be influenced by changing magnetic fields?
 Perhaps you should study Eddie current braking if that seems strange.  Any
 time a current is inducted within a material by a changing magnetic field a
 force is generated that can cause the material to react.  I admit that I
 have never looked into driving salt water in this manner, but it should be
 possible.

 So far I have seen no strong evidence for your assumptions.  I realize
 that you are convinced about what you are stating, but you would be wise to
 consider what some of us are saying.   And, using flawed statistics to
 prove a point can get you into a lot of trouble.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 7:08 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

  What about low flying aircraft overhead reflecting a strong signal back
 to ground?

  What about ducting events and high refraction off the atmosphere
 during storms?

  Salt water is 1000 times better conductor than soil and well grounded.

  The radars are pulsing at very LOW frequencies and yes, the saltwater is
 seeing the swing in EM fields.

  Overlapping beam widths are covering thousands of sq ft at 1/2 mile
 away. Just like your Doppler weather radar

Re: [Vo]:Re: Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Manatees are dying of shock around the 17+ microwave radars and earth
stations in Melbourne, fl

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2014-02-01/news/os-manatee-deaths-indian-river-20140201_1_indian-river-lagoon-katie-tripp-dead-manatees

See my maps for EIRP power overhead.

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:

   ChemE and Dave--

 Suppose the damage to the reef is to microscopic reef larva or other
 growth phase of the reef organism that lives near or on surface.  Is there
 enough energy impinging the surface at a steep angle, for example a surface
 of a small wave or ripple to affect a small egg cell or young organism—the
 hydrogen bonds of its DNA for example?

 I do not know much about the life cycle of reef animals to know if the
 eggs ever reach the surface.

 However, if Dave is correct about the disposition of a radar beam in salt
 water, it seems it would be at the surface where the damage would be most
 likely.   And I would think it could be in damage to DNA considering the
 rather fragile bonding of that molecule.   Resonant frequencies associated
 with radar beams may not be tolerated well by the reef’s DNA, where as,  UV
 and other natural RF in the envirnment  it has evolved to live-with.

 Bob Cook




  *From:* David Roberson
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dlrober...@aol.com');
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 3:39 PM
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

 Rectification of the signal can cause small DC currents as you suggest.
 Any non linear behavior that treats both the positive and negative RF
 swings equally can not result in DC generation but instead causes harmonic
 generation of the RF carrier.  Do you consider salt water as capable of
 behaving differently to the positive versus negative instantaneous RF
 voltage and current waveforms?   Where is a reference to this behavior?

 The high frequency RF signal itself can not penetrate the water to any
 significant degree due to reflections from the surface.  Also, keep in mind
 that radar signals are aimed to keep their energy toward targets that are
 above the water surface in general, especially close by.  And the beam
 widths are so narrow that only a small portion of the radiated RF impacts
 the water near the antenna.

 Dave



 -Original Message-
 From: Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hoyt-stea...@cox.net');
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com');
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 5:50 pm
 Subject: RE: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

   Any non-linearity in a medium like salt water will cause baseband
 currents.


  *From:* David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com?
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dlrober...@aol.com?');]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 2:45 PM
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

 You are kidding right?

 Any signal that shows up is merely being translated in frequency from its
 original location down to the baseband.  The only signal received is very
 close in frequency to the carrier wave.  The modulation signal at the low
 Hertz rate is visible at the receiver output, but it was not radiated by
 the transmitter.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cheme...@gmail.com');
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com');
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 2:22 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...
  David,

  Of course the low frequency square pulses show up on receivers, that is
 how pulsed doppler works!


 http://www.rfcafe.com/references/articles/images/Signal-Analysis-Modern-Radar-R-S-6.jpg

  When it is on (every pulse) a weather radar puts out ~1,000,000 WATTS,
 (32 billion watts EIRP)

  Stewart


  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:10 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dlrober...@aol.com'); wrote:
 Come on now Stewart.  If you take the time to analyze the spectrum of a
 pulsed radar signal, you will find that all of the energy is contained in a
 location surrounding the carrier frequency.   Also, how well do you think a
 dish radar antenna being feed by a bandwidth limited waveguide is going to
 radiate those 200 to 1000 Hz signals?   If you can show me where any
 significant amount of that low frequency is radiated I will assume that you
 are knowledgeable in RF design.

 It is easy to convince people that know nothing about radio and radar
 systems to be concerned about unimportant issues.  And, as everyone knows,
 statistics can prove just about anything that you wish to prove based upon
 the restrictions that are placed upon the data that is analyzed.

 The same type of reasoning is used to keep kids from being vaccinated

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Right, and salt water flowing through a strong pulsing EM field can induce
electrical currents.

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net wrote:

 Any non-linearity in a medium like salt water will cause baseband currents.





 *From:* David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dlrober...@aol.com');]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 2:45 PM
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...



 You are kidding right?

 Any signal that shows up is merely being translated in frequency from its
 original location down to the baseband.  The only signal received is very
 close in frequency to the carrier wave.  The modulation signal at the low
 Hertz rate is visible at the receiver output, but it was not radiated by
 the transmitter.

 Dave







 -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cheme...@gmail.com');
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com');
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 2:22 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

 David,



 Of course the low frequency square pulses show up on receivers, that is
 how pulsed doppler works!




 http://www.rfcafe.com/references/articles/images/Signal-Analysis-Modern-Radar-R-S-6.jpg



 When it is on (every pulse) a weather radar puts out ~1,000,000 WATTS, (32
 billion watts EIRP)



 Stewart





 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:10 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dlrober...@aol.com'); wrote:

 Come on now Stewart.  If you take the time to analyze the spectrum of a
 pulsed radar signal, you will find that all of the energy is contained in a
 location surrounding the carrier frequency.   Also, how well do you think a
 dish radar antenna being feed by a bandwidth limited waveguide is going to
 radiate those 200 to 1000 Hz signals?   If you can show me where any
 significant amount of that low frequency is radiated I will assume that you
 are knowledgeable in RF design.

 It is easy to convince people that know nothing about radio and radar
 systems to be concerned about unimportant issues.  And, as everyone knows,
 statistics can prove just about anything that you wish to prove based upon
 the restrictions that are placed upon the data that is analyzed.

 The same type of reasoning is used to keep kids from being vaccinated or
 cellular antenna locations from being located in the ideal places.  We need
 real science instead of  variable statistics to settle these issues
 properly.

 Dave







 -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cheme...@gmail.com');
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com');

 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 1:53 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

 Dave, the pulse train is a square wave, with the on amplitude approx
 900' long or longer depending upon duty cycle, bouncing between
 clouds/planes and the suface of the ocean



 Just one weather radar has an EIRP of 32 billion watts of power, which
 gets ducted and scattered by planes and the atmosphere, more during storms.



 Mildly shocking biology with every pulse, depending upon impedence



 Electricity can kill you in a nanosecond, each radar pulse is 1000 times
 longer that that in duration.



 Admit it, you sparkies  screwed up :)



 Stewart

















 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, David Roberson  dlrober...@aol.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dlrober...@aol.com'); wrote:

 The radar pulse rate does not effect the penetration into the water.  In
 other words, the 200 to 1000 Hz rate is applied to the carrier and does not
 independently appear anywhere else.

 Dave





 -Original Message-
 From: ChemE Stewart  cheme...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cheme...@gmail.com');
 To: vortex-l  vortex-l@eskimo.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com');
 Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 8:12 am
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

 VLF https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_low_frequency radio waves
 (3–30 kHz https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz) can penetrate seawater
 to a depth of approximately 20 meters. Hence a submarine at shallow depth
 can use these frequencies.



 Most of the radars pulse at 200-1000 Hz.



 Most of the coral disease is in shallow water 20 meters

 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, ChemE Stewart  cheme...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cheme...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 Except low pulsed frequencies

 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, James Bowery  jabow...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jabow...@gmail.com'); wrote:





 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','zeropo...@charter.net'); wrote:

 This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but some

Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Except low pulsed frequencies

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','zeropo...@charter.net'); wrote:

 This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but some
 others may have an interest…



 Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link
 between our modern radar systems and the dying of coral reefs…

 ...

 Time to break out the tin-foil hats???


 No need.  Salt water shields against EM penetration.



Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
VLF https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_low_frequency radio waves (3–30
kHz https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz) can penetrate seawater to a
depth of approximately 20 meters. Hence a submarine at shallow depth can
use these frequencies.

Most of the radars pulse at 200-1000 Hz.

Most of the coral disease is in shallow water 20 meters

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Except low pulsed frequencies

 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jabow...@gmail.com'); wrote:



 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
 wrote:

 This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but some
 others may have an interest…



 Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link
 between our modern radar systems and the dying of coral reefs…

 ...

 Time to break out the tin-foil hats???


 No need.  Salt water shields against EM penetration.




Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Mark,

Thanks for the info, I will pass it on.  I read the posts on Vortex
everyday and appreciate the uninhibited creative technical
 expulsion that occurs.  I am involved in a couple of research efforts
now in addition to my day job as a chemical/environmental engineer
consultant.

One study involves looking at correlations with high power, high gain
microwave radar and broadcast earth station locations and human diseases.
The results of that effort, which have been ongoing for a year and a half,
will be published in a peer reviewed journal soon.

The other study, just getting underway, is looking at increased marine life
diseases, including coral reef diseases around locations of high power
radars and earth stations.  We are doing surveys and lab testing in Kauai,
Hi and are filming a TV show to raise funds and awareness.

I have developed a public US database of microwave radars and earth
stations to support the research if anyone is interested to download in
Google Earth.

http://googleearthcommunity.proboards.com/thread/750/microwave-radar-earthstation-locations

If there is a problem, and I believe strongly there is, the causation
would include:

Reflection, refraction, induction, conduction and absorption of the low
frequency 0-1000 Hz pulses and high frequency GHz carrier waves in
all biology, including the ocean, which is a relatively good conductor.

The EMF appears to be breaking down calcium compounds and possibly
triggering protein folding and a whole host of maladies.

Stay tuned.

Stewart
Darkmattersalot.com









On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

 This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but some
 others may have an interest…



 Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link between
 our modern radar systems and the dying of coral reefs…



 Seems that proteins in living systems have evolved such that they are at a
 ‘critical state’, and it doesn’t take much energy at the right frequency to
 cause conformational changes; i.e., disruption in their tertiary structure
 (physical folding of the amino acid chain)… the conformational change
 causes the protein to no longer function properly… this would likely have
 profound, and deleterious, effects on the living organism.  Hundreds or
 thousands of proteins are involved in the normal biochemical reactions
 taking place all the time in any living organism…



 Up until recently, molecular vibrations in solution were thought to be
 highly damped, but that view may not always be the case, as explained in
 this layman’s article:

 “Proteins 'ring like bells': Quantum mechanics and biochemical reactions”

 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/06/140603092424.htm



 And this is the scientific reference:

 “Terahertz underdamped vibrational motion governs protein-ligand binding
 in solution”

 Nature Communications 5, Article number: 3999 doi:10.1038/ncomms4999

 http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140603/ncomms4999/full/ncomms4999.html



 Stewart, I wonder if your scientific contacts studying the coral reefs
 dying off are aware of this research???  Although radar is not in the THz
 range, could be it contains some energy at subharmonic frequencies which do
 affect proteins in the organisms which build the coral structures… radar
 may not have been a problem if it wasn’t operating 24/7/365.



 And finally, another researcher I follow has been looking into the
 possibility that our man-made EM radiation, which is quite extensive these
 days, could also be responsible for some of the health-related issues seen
 in modern society:

 “How Radio Waves Make You Sicker”

 How Radio Waves Make You Sicker
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37j2jDN8IVo

 Prof. Trevor Marshall, Autoimmunity Research Foundation



 Time to break out the tin-foil hats???

 ;-)

 -mark iverson





Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Low frequency pulse.

Also, we are not communicating with the marine life and coral reef, the
evidence is mounting that 2 terrawatts of effective isotropic radiated
power (EIRP) in a local area scattered by the overhead atmosphere is mildly
shocking the marine life through electromagnetic induction and conduction
through the salt water near the surface as it grounds out into the ocean.
You can't fool mother nature sort of thing.

Here is a model of induced electrical currents in seawater surface around
just one ship's antennas.  Now imagine 27 high power coastal based
radars/antennas and 45 warship radars/antennas in one area.

http://darkmattersalot.com/2015/05/14/how-cousteau-and-noaa-killed-the-reef/


Effects of Electrical Current* on the Body [3]
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2002-123/2002-123f.html#end3*Current*
*Reaction*1 milliampJust a faint tingle.5 milliampsSlight shock felt.
Disturbing, but not painful. Most people can “let go.” However, strong
involuntary movements can cause injuries.6-25 milliamps (women)†
9-30 milliamps (men)Painful shock. Muscular control is lost. This is the
range where “freezing currents” start. It may not be possible to “let
go.”50-150
milliampsExtremely painful shock, respiratory arrest (breathing stops),
severe muscle contractions. Flexor muscles may cause holding on; extensor
muscles may cause intense pushing away. Death is possible.1,000-4,300
milliamps (1-4.3 amps)Ventricular fibrillation (heart pumping action not
rhythmic) occurs. Muscles contract; nerve damage occurs. Death is likely.10,000
milliamps (10 amps)Cardiac arrest and severe burns occur. Death is probable.









On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:43 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Low pulsed frequency is a contradiction in terms.

 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:01 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Except low pulsed frequencies


 On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
 wrote:

 This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but some
 others may have an interest…



 Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link
 between our modern radar systems and the dying of coral reefs…

 ...

 Time to break out the tin-foil hats???


 No need.  Salt water shields against EM penetration.





Re: [Vo]:survey but LENR info too for June 28, 2015

2015-06-29 Thread ChemE Stewart
Tesla's only misconception was that you can transmit unlimited amounts of
electromagnetic radiation into the atmosphere.  Biologists (and some
engineers) are finding that it is probably much less than 10 watts/ sq.
meter else nature does a face plant.  I don't disagree with the rest of the
thinking.

Stewart

On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 From the times of Tesla in the 1890s, Cold fusion has been discovered and
 then forgotten and then later rediscovered in a tragic cycle of frustration
 and forgetfulness. Tesla may have been the first. There is a persistent
 urban legend about Nikola Tesla. The prolific Serbian inventor who claimed
 that his greatest achievement, the achievement that he was most proud of,
 was not alternating current or the radio, but a high voltage tube which
 could produce energy and transmute materials. This story has usually been
 dismissed as nonsense, a product of a demented mind.  Now in the light of
 our emerging LENR experience, this tale might well have been true after
 all.

 Tesla claimed “nature has stored up in the universe infinite energy
 (Columbia College lecture. New York. May 20, 1891). Tesla demonstrated the
 “carbon button lamps, a spherical gas discharge device in public lectures
 (London 1892, then at Philadelphia 1893, vs. Patent 4,546.22118911). Tesla
 was only the first of many.  There then came Henry Moray, Joe Papp, Janos
 Jakkel, Edwin Gray, Ken Shoulders...All these men and many more have
 discovered LENR and let this precious secret pass through their fingers
 like the grains of sand through an hour glass, as the fleeting days of
 their lives. Generation after generation the secrets of cold fusion have
 appeared and been eventually forgotten. Mostly, because these men of
 invention did not understand cold fusion in the least, but some because of
 greed and the desire for fame and acclaim, but almost all because they
 failed to share their knowledge to keep those precious hard won insights
 alive after these special men were gone.

 Cold fusion is more than just the production of energy, this mysterious
 mechanism entails its miracles too. These processes are not explicable by
 our current natural or scientific laws. Such events can only be attributed
 to some unknown science far beyond the mind of man whose understanding
 would entail the very essence of the universe.  These miracles are the
 production of energy without the associated generation of gamma radiation
 and radioactive isotopes. And even more perplexing is that this lack of
 nuclear byproduct are a sometimes thing where when the conditions are just
 right, the evidence for the nuclear nature of LENR comes plainly through.

 LENR can occur in the guts of chickens and on the skins of bacteria.
 Evolution has shrewdly made use of LENR to keep alive the creatures that
 nature has invented. Lenr can be applied to radioactive wastes to speed up
 its rate in varying  degrees almost as if LENR holds the key to the control
 of time itself.
 We now see a crack in the perpetual cycle of lost opportunity, a chance
 for the first time to get LENR to hold fast and become a part of the fabric
 of civilization. Let us all try to do our part in keeping the truth of LENR
 alive both now and into our future.


 On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Better than on other Sundays , LENR moves:


 http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/06/the-main-problem-of-lenr-i-of-many.html

 but still in mini-steps.. c'est la vie!

 Peter



 --
 Dr. Peter Gluck
 Cluj, Romania
 http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com





Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Nextgen EM Drive's Potential seems way above the Theoretical Limit

2015-05-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
This is a quantum vacuum disturbance, not a hot and cold disturbance. It
decays.  Our weather is the effect we see in our dimensions of space,
which is emergent.

https://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/waterspout-sunset-key-1.jpg

https://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/download.png

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Roarty, Francis X 
francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:

  Axil, welcome aboard, it’s been lonely on this limb and you are much
 more suited than I to reinforce and champion the relativistic theory than
 I. You added another great insight in this post [snip] LENR seems to
 separate the vacuum into a positive zone and a negative zone. The positive
 zone produces the fusion reaction, and the negative zone suppresses the
 gamma and stabizes the radioactive results of the fusion.[/snip] .. everyone
 focuses on the cavity and the negative vacuum pressure as the active region
 but you additionally suggest the larger surrounding geometry [positive
 vacuum] responsible for the cavity provides gamma screening.

 Fran





 *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 2:34 AM
 *To:* vortex-l
 *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Nextgen EM Drive's Potential seems way
 above the Theoretical Limit



 Dear Francis X,



 I am coming around to your way of thinking.



 Regarding...



 “when lasers were fired through the EmDrive’s resonance chamber, some of
 the beams appeared to travel faster than the speed of light. If that’s
 true, it would mean that the EmDrive is producing a warp field or bubble. “



 The resonant shape of the microwave EmDrive cavity produces a pattern of
 positive and negative vacuum energy that corresponds to the high and low
 energy pattern of microwave radiation generated by electromagnetic
  interference. The zone of increased positive vacuum energy may produce
 longer lived virtual particles whose lifetime is proportional to the
 false vacuum value characterize by the zone of EMF excited vacuum. But to
 keep energy conservation of the vacuum constant, a positive zone of vacuum
 energy must also correspond with and be offset by a negative zone of vacuum
 energy.



 The lifetimes of these longer lived virtual particles may be long enough
 to provide a reaction platform that meets the requirements of Newton’s
 momentum laws.





 Furthermore, there could be a connection between the EmDrive and the LENR
 reaction. That connection could be the partitioning of the vacuum into
 positive and negative zones.



 This might mean that the speed of light increases beyond its nominal value
 in a zone of negative vacuum energy. In a homonginous vacuum, the speed of
 forward  photon propagation is determined by how fast the photon goes from
 one virtual particle creation event to the next based on the density of
 virtual particles produced in the vacuum by the averge virtual particle
 creation rate. In a homogenous vacuum, If the average rate of photon
 virtual particle interaction is steady, This steady rate of light’s
 interatcion with the particles of the vacuum will produce a steady average
 maximum speed of light through the vacuum.



 In a zone of negative vacuum energy, less virtual particles are produced.
 This reduces the density of virtual particles encountered by the photon per
 unit time. Less friction from the vacuum results, thereby increaseing the
 speed of light through the zone of negitive vacuum energy.

 Time speeds up when the speed of light in increased.



 LENR seems to separate the vacuum into a positive zone and a negative
 zone. The positive zone produces the fusion reaction, and the negative zone
 suppresses the gamma and stabizes the radioactive results of the fusion.



 LENR will dramatically increase the decay rate of radioactive isotopes.
 This might be caused by the entanglement of the nucleus of the radioactive
 atom with the zone of negitive vacuum energy. The speed of time progression
 in the radio active atom might be same as the speed of time in the zone of
 negative vacuum energy.



 If this reaction is true, the rate of reduction of virtual particle
 production in the zone of negative vacuum energy might be proportional to
 the speed up of the rate of radioactive decay produced by LENR.



 In one experiment, a radioactive isotope with a half-life of 69 years was
 reduced to 6 microseconds.



 That is 15 orders of magnitude reduction. Most halflife reductions in LENR
 are instantaneous. Time could be moving very rapidly in the zone of
 negative vacuum energy. There looks to be a way to share that increase in
 the speedup of the rate of time with matter through the entanglement of
 matter with the zone of negative vacuum...AKA the surface plasmon-polariton
 soliton



 I segest this experiment with the EmDrive to verify this theory of time
 acceleration. Place a gamma emmiting isotope inside an EmDrive enclosure
 where the microwave interference is descriptive. If the rate of gamma
 production is reduced and/or 

Re: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Innovation in North Korea

2015-05-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
As long as it is the last thing on your bucket list it is still OK to
visit...

On Friday, May 15, 2015, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

 More details supporting the story:


 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-15/execution-anti-aircraft-gun-photographic-evidence

 Visiting NKorea is definitely off my bucket list… ;-)

 -m



 *From:* Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','eric.wal...@gmail.com');]
 *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2015 9:22 PM
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Innovation in North Korea



 On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jedrothw...@gmail.com'); wrote:



 You do not see many innovative new ideas coming out of North Korea. But I
 must say, they do come up with unexpected ways to kill off top officials.
 Here is the latest headline from the New York Times:

 North Korea Said to Execute a Top Official, With an Antiaircraft Gun



 This tidbit of news was recently called into doubt:




 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/14/south-korea-rows-back-over-north-korea-anti-aircraft-gun-execution-claim



 Knowing what other kinds of purges have taken place, I suppose this is
 only a question about a point of fact, and not one of whether North Korea
 would resort to something like this.



 Eric





Re: [Vo]:fast LENR news about Parkhomov, etc.,

2015-03-19 Thread ChemE Stewart
That's awesome!

On Thursday, March 19, 2015, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote:

 It is impressive even without calorimetry.  He would have to make a severe
 mistake on input power measurement to be off that far.  To be more
 specific, he would have to make a mistake on input power measurement on the
 run with fuel that he did not make on the run without the fuel (very
 unlikely).

 On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','peter.gl...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 Dear Jack,

 This morning - 8 hours ago, the reactor was still working. Nothing was
 announced till now.
 I am sure Alexander will work out a proper calorimetry system, not easy
 - if no sufficient cooling (as in his older system) risk of overheating
 and burnout.
 I have searched for the new sort of nickel he is using- it is Ni-carbonyl
 powder according to GOST 9722-97 (Like ASTM, DIN) type PNK-O2
 See please here- with Google Translate
 http://meganorm.ru/Data2/1/4294820/4294820717.pdf
 Please tell me if it does not work so.


 On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jcol...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 Great work Peter.  The fact that he has repeated the results using a
 method alternative to his calorimetry is very encouraging.  In addition,
 the fact that he was able to run for such a long time easily rules out
 chemical effects. Hopefully, it will keep on running for more days to
 weeks.  I was concerned about the fact that he ran out of his initial
 supply of nickel, but fortunately, the concern appears unfounded.  There is
 another important detail disclosed - he only obtained 5 bar of pressure at
 max.  This may well indicate that relatively low pressures are fine for
 initiating the reaction.  That's good news from a safety perspective.

 On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','peter.gl...@gmail.com'); wrote:


 The evolution of pressure is a lesson of realism, we have calculaled
 hundreds of bars from inside and have 1/2 bars  from outside.

 Best wishes,
 Peter


 Dear Friends,

 I wanted that you should receive these news as fast as possible


 http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/03/fast-issue-lenr-parkhomov-news-from.html

 We will discuss detais and connections later.
 Peter
 --
 Dr. Peter Gluck
 Cluj, Romania
 http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com





 --
 Dr. Peter Gluck
 Cluj, Romania
 http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com





Re: [Vo]:This is where it all began?

2015-03-01 Thread ChemE Stewart
Spacetime, including our atmosphere is wormy  stringy

http://www.andersoninstitute.com/wormholes.html

http://darkmattersalot.com/2015/02/23/sail-the-seven-dimensional-seas/

Earth's core is 6-D vacuum brane toroid and our weather disturbances are
one more dimension warping, inflating  decaying in our atmosphere and
gradually condensing everything and triggering electromagnetic discharge as
the dark matter inflates to dark energy around us.


Best I can figure.

Stewart



On Sunday, March 1, 2015, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 Isn’t it bizarre how most physicists will embrace that load of cosmic crap
 (FTL expansion) without the least bit of real evidence for it (other than a
 brain-dead theory) … yet … in the next breath they reject out-of-hand the
 dozens of successful LENR experiments, simply because those experiments are
 not successful 100% of the time?


 From: Bob Cook

 Eric brings up a good point…


 From: Eric Walker mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com javascript:;
 About the big bang theory -- my understanding is that it requires faster
 than light expansion in the earliest period.  A theory that says the rules
 change at some point in time seems a bit ad  hoc to me.



Re: [Vo]: Dark Matter

2015-02-20 Thread ChemE Stewart
Not really hollow, probably a 6-D brane of vacuum at the core

On Friday, February 20, 2015, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:

 So, you subscribe to the hollow earth theory?

  We need to get off this hollow rock and spread our DNA...
 
  Stewart

 Hollow Earth, The Biggest Cover Up - Full Documentary
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaPtq8F2hUc

 Regards,
 Steven Vincent Johnson
 svjart.orionworks.com
 zazzle.com/orionworks




Re: [Vo]: Dark Matter

2015-02-20 Thread ChemE Stewart
Let's assume dark matter is quantum vacuum than an increase in vacuum
density will make it hard for life to exist, which fits the weak Anthropic
principle.  That implies we exist right now because the local vacuum
levels allow it, which can/will change over time.

We need to get off this hollow rock and spread our DNA...

Stewart

On Friday, February 20, 2015, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Another one for Stewie:

 http://phys.org/news/2015-02-dark-mass-extinctions-geologic-upheavals.html

 On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 3:41 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 javascript:; wrote:
  Scientists believe they might have detected dark matter for the first
 time –
  streaming from our very own Sun.
 
  If confirmed, it would be one of the biggest breakthroughs in the quest
 to
  better understand the universe.
 
 
  Read more:
 
 http://www.3news.co.nz/world/astronomers-claim-dark-matter-breakthrough-2014102211#ixzz3Gu8tGFYT
 
  Wait until they find out it is inflating into Dark Energy and causing
 our
  weather...




Re: [Vo]:New study confirms the presence of dark matter in the inner part of the Milky Way

2015-02-10 Thread ChemE Stewart
I think we are going to find that LENR, which I think is a form of Dark
Energy is really caused from the inflation of Dark Matter which, like
you say is a DDL form of hydrogen making up the fabric of space.  I think
LENR happens all of the time in our atmosphere and is the energy behind our
weather, like I have said before. Hot  Cold does not explain the megatons
of energy released from our atmosphere.

Stewart

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

  *From:* Lewan Mats

 *http://phys.org/news/2015-02-presence-dark-milky.html*
 http://phys.org/news/2015-02-presence-dark-milky.html

  This story very likely relates to the Rossi/Parkhomov results (which
 probably explains why Mats posted it).

 Although cosmologists do not know the composition of dark matter... We
 know that dark matter is needed in our Galaxy to keep the stars and gas
 rotating at their observed speedsHowever, we still do not know what
 dark matter is composed of. This is one of the most important science
 questions of our times... yet, all of us appreciated that over 90% of the
 ”light matter” - that which is visible - is hydrogen.

 Therefore, a logical conclusion is that dark matter is most likely a
 degernate from of light matter, meaning that it is mostly hydrogen in an
 different and denser form.

 The controlled conversion of LM to DM (light matter to dark matter, or 
 hydrogen
 to DDL) is the prime candidate for the power source behind LENR, since
 there is no high energy radiation from the reaction - and since slight
 transmutation which is seen – is entirely* incidental* and a side effect
 which is thousands of times too low to supply the excess heat seen.

 Jones



Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

2015-02-08 Thread ChemE Stewart
Maybe submersing in water bath would help even temp profile

On Sunday, February 8, 2015, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:

  I think the failure was caused by a brittle fracture of the alumina tube
 due to thermal stresses, internal micro stresses caused by micro bubble
 formation and resulting embrittlement.

 Bob

 Sent from Windows Mail

 *From:* Bob Higgins
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com');
 *Sent:* ‎Friday‎, ‎February‎ ‎6‎, ‎2015 ‎1‎:‎00‎ ‎PM
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com');

 Ryan Hunt reports that the failure mode was NOT the compression fitting
 giving way under pressure - the fitting remained intact.  This experiment
 was of the easier Parkhomov design, posted previously where the seal was
 made with a compression fitting, in this case with the use of a soft
 aluminum ferrule at the suggestion of Alan Goldwater.  Alan's tests
 suggested the compression fitting would hold and it did!  Using the
 compression fitting is a real win because it completely avoids the
 problematic sealing of the ends with cement while providing an opportunity
 to instrument the reaction vessel.

 When this failure occurred, it appeared to be a raw ceramic body failure.
 This could easily have come from too much pressure coming from a too large
 charge of LiAlH4 for the vacant volume inside the apparatus.  MFMP will
 extract that volume information and relate it to the weight of LiAlH4 that
 was added, as being a benchmark for too much LiAlH4.  The tube used was
 1/4 OD, but at the moment, I am not sure if it was a 4mm ID tube or a 1/8
 ID tube.  The Parkhomov tube had an ID of half of its OD.

 Bob Higgins

 On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 11:39 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','zeropo...@charter.net'); wrote:

 At 2:29/2:30 into the short segment posted by Craig, it looks like the
 right-side end-plug, or whatever is sticking out that end, blows out.  And
 I use that term specifically since one also sees some hint of a pressure
 release.  Whether that release is at an appropriate level is apparently
 debatable...
 -mark iverson




Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

2015-02-06 Thread ChemE Stewart
Weaponiized! Yeah!

On Friday, February 6, 2015, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 1:23 AM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com
 javascript:; wrote:

  So, the test is over. No good result.

 Are you kidding?  They successfully replicated results experienced by
 both Rossi and Parkhomov. g




Re: [Vo]:Thorium Energy Alliance Conference (TEAC)

2015-01-23 Thread ChemE Stewart
Still do!

http://www.teac-audio.eu/en/Cassette-Decks-84577.html

On Friday, January 23, 2015, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

 The made good tape decks too.

 On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
 javascript:; wrote:
  TEAC 7
  June 3rd and 4th, 2015
  Sheraton in Palo Alto, CA
 
  http://thoriumenergyalliance.com/index.html




Re: [Vo]:New Patent- Field Emission Device configured as a Heat Englne.

2015-01-16 Thread ChemE Stewart
Toaster? :)

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:

 Greetings Vortex-L,

 An invention by some Highly Talented Researchers.
 I am clueless.
 http://www.google.com/patents/US8575842

 Applications...aircraft and other energy applications...

 Ad astra,
 Ron Kita,Chiralex
 Doylestown PA



Re: [Vo]:The melting miracle

2015-01-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
I had that weird thought too that the reactor might be generating microwave
radiation and heating the water...

Tin foil hat time again

On Friday, January 2, 2015, Ken Deboer barlaz...@gmail.com wrote:

 Regarding the 'shell' of various LENR reactors, I wonder if someone could
 recap or comment on what the history has been and what some of the
 considerations  and rational were behind them.  Most reactors have been
 built around steel if I'm not mistaken, and some of glass. The new Rossi
 model is of alumina and I wonder what led him to that?  Also, someone a
 good while back, Jones I think, mentioned about maybe silicon carbide
 having some beneficial features (electrical or electromagnetic?).  People
 have mused about what kinds of physical or geometric, micro or macro,
  configurations might help, and all this seems to me to be of value.  I
 also had another wild (dangerous!) thought- heating by microwave?
 cheers, ken

 On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 7:29 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','frobertc...@hotmail.com'); wrote:

  I think the size of the nano Ni is important in creating resonant
 conditions to support LENR reactions in a magnetic field.  This may include
 cavity sizes.

 Bob

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Nick javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nix...@ameritech.net');
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com');
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 01, 2015 6:06 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The melting miracle

  I’m way out of my zone of expertise here, as a speaker
 builder/designer, I am familiar with resonant frequencies of boxes,
 cavities, or spaces. Has the possibility that Rossi is optimizing the
 reactor design so the reactor cavity resonates at specific frequencies? Has
 this been considered? We’ve all seen the YouTube videos that show how
 powdered materials dance and move in patterns when subjected to strong
 fields of acoustic energy at varying frequencies. Acoustic waves can
 levitate heavy objects, is it not possible that such an effect could keep
 the powder mix in a turbulent and evenly distributed state even when at
 high temperatures? The sintering seen afterward could be taking place when
 the device is powered down and the fuel mix settles to the bottom, no
 longer being agitated. I realize I don’t have the background to tell you
 much of anything that you do not already know in this discussion, but I
 have not seen the subject addressed, at least not that I can recall. The
 differing pressures and temperatures inside the active vessel would alter
 these figures significantly I'm sure, but these such factors could be
 addressed and managed.

 A link about this here,
 http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/waves/cavity.html#c1

 Resonance of a Coke Bottle,
 http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/waves/coke.html#c1


 Nixter


   On Thursday, January 1, 2015 4:08 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','janap...@gmail.com'); wrote:


   As I have stated in another thread:

 Doing science inside the dog bone can be like doing science inside
 another universe. There is no certainty  that physics or chemistry works
 that same inside the a functioning dog bone as it does in the real world.
 Maybe different physical rules apply.

  On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','eric.wal...@gmail.com'); wrote:

  On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','janap...@gmail.com'); wrote:

  I am interested in what keeps the Rossi micro powder from
 sintering/melting at high surface temperatures when the reactor is in
 operation. We call this weird behavior the melting miracle.

 This is an interesting question.  If the same internal/external
 temperature gradient was in effect in the Lugano test as seen in the MFMP 
 dogbone calibrations (at the higher temperatures, a delta T of 330 C
 [1]), we're left with some weird possibilities to sort through:

- the temperature calculated for the outside of the Lugano E-Cat was
significantly lower than 1400.
- the nickel in the volume of the core of the Lugano reactor was not
subject to the same amount of heat across the length of the core, and the
nickel extracted for the isotope assays was from an area that maintained a
temperature below the point of the complete melting point of nickel.
- the outside temperature of the Lugano reactor was as reported, and
the nickel in the core vaporized and then recrystallized when the
temperature was still high towards the end of the test, resulting in a
partially sintered appearance, while somehow maintaining an isotope
gradient.
- other possibilities?

 I do not know what unsintered nickel looks like, so it is hard for me to
 get a sense of where along the spectrum the nickel in the images taken from
 the Lugano assays was.

 Eric


 [1] 

Re: [Vo]:The melting miracle

2015-01-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
I think a grounded metal pail might act like a faraday cage and absorb EMF,
but if it was open at the top microwaves not absorbed by the water should
leak out

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:40 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 I had that weird thought too that the reactor might be generating
 microwave radiation and heating the water...


 Would the microwaves make it through the metal pail?

 Eric




Re: [Vo]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube.

2014-12-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
Yes!

On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:

 You mean, achieved a device to bring on global cooling??

 On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 6:58 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cheme...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 It could have been worse, we could have lost heat from the universe


 On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, CB Sites cbsit...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cbsit...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 As best as I could tell, it looks like this was a dud.  Heat in = Heat
 out.  It was frustrating to see.

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I guess I missed some part them. But I never saw a so beautiful metal
 glow!




 --
 Daniel Rocha - RJ
 danieldi...@gmail.com






Re: [Vo]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube.

2014-12-30 Thread ChemE Stewart
It could have been worse, we could have lost heat from the universe

On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, CB Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote:

 As best as I could tell, it looks like this was a dud.  Heat in = Heat
 out.  It was frustrating to see.

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','danieldi...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 I guess I missed some part them. But I never saw a so beautiful metal
 glow!




 --
 Daniel Rocha - RJ
 danieldi...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','danieldi...@gmail.com');





Re: [Vo]:Dry Steam versus Wet Steam

2014-12-29 Thread ChemE Stewart
Steam Quality1000.950.90.850.8Deg C1,2901,290
1,2901,2901,290min4040404040W498498498498498J
(Elec)
1,195,200  1,195,200  1,195,200  1,195,200  1,195,200kg
Water (Evap) 1.21.141.0260.87210.69768J (Evap)  2,712,000
2,576,400
2,318,760  1,970,946  1,576,757Heat Loss (W)   155
155   155   155   155Heat Loss (J)
372,000372,000372,000372,000372,000Total J
Produced  3,084,000  2,948,400  2,690,760  2,342,946
1,948,757COP2.582.472.251.961.63
Unless a visble amount of carryover, steam in contact with water should be
= 95% quality


On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I'm assuming this is just nonsense but some of the patho-skeptics are
 claiming that the russian report would have to produce dry steam in order
 to reach the energy levels he's claiming.

 While I'm still very skeptical, and his COP numbers have already been
 proven to be nonsense, I would assume such a simple issues as this would
 have been pointed out already by the serious minds on this list.



Re: [Vo]:That doggone dogbone

2014-12-08 Thread ChemE Stewart
EM Inductance from a coil activating the hot stuff?

On Monday, December 8, 2014, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 Bob,



 I think we are witnessing a rather significant string of linked
 assumptions that is confused at best, and most likely locally false. He is
 a counterpoint.



 1)  We know from this report that the insert shown will already reach
 the limit of temperature sustainability for Kanthal wire at about 800
 watts. To go higher will demand active cooling (above convection).

 2)  This kind of wire has better thermal characteristics than the
 Inconel wire which was originally reported to have been used in Lugano.

 3)  Adding any conceivable layer over the insert which does not cool
 the wire will only REDUCE the power needed to maintain the maximum
 sustainable internal temperature

 4)  The original Levi report was later altered by Rossi when he
 learned from critics that the Inconel wire being used could not sustain the
 temperature claim.

 5)  Rossi essentially “invented” in his own mind a new type of
 non-existent wire alloy to try to remedy the situation, which now others
 are trying to remedy for him - with all this talk about refractory wire.
 Basically this tactic of putting words in Levi’s report, to make details
 work on paper, but without any evidence of reality other than a hope to see
 the experiment work, sounds like complete BS to skeptics.

 6)  Since Goldwater’s insert already shows conclusively that no
 greater power can be added than he has added in the convection test
 (without compromising the ability of the wire to carry current), it is
 essentially not possible to do what is being suggested, in any remote way.



 IOW Goldater’s experiment has already proved the Levi Lugano report is
 bogus.



 *From:* Bob Higgins



 Just so my answer is not mistaken, let me say that the MFMP replica will
 be exactly the same size as the Lugano hotCat.  It will have convection
 fins on the outside of the convection tube just like the Lugano hotCat.



 Ryan Hunt of HUG has made excellent progress in casting the convection
 surface with a high alumina casting cement.  The Lugano hotCat had a small
 inner alumina reaction tube that contained the LENR reactants.  This tube
 had a 4mm ID and an estimated 6mm OD.  If the Lugano analysis was correct,
 then roughly 910W of heat was being input in a heater coil around this
 reaction tube, and since a COP of 3.6 was calculated, then (3.6-1)(910) =
 2366W was being produced in the small internal core by LENR reaction.  The
 MFMP is trying to replicate the heat production of the assembly by having a
 core heater coil to model the LENR output and a large heater coil embedded
 in the convection tube assembly to model the electrical input to the hotCat
 heater.  The small diameter coil that Alan Goldwater is building will go
 inside the convection (dogbone) assembly that Ryan Hunt is making.  The
 total amount of electrical input needed for this dummy run (sum into the 2
 heater coils) will be (910)(3.6)=3.28kW.  This is a LOT of power for these
 small coils.  The power per unit area of the wire is a metric used in
 design of heater coils.  Normally Kanthal heaters want to run in the
 5-10W/cm^2 range for long life.  We may be running in the 20-30W/cm^2 range
 and at the extreme high temperature limit of Kanthal.  It is not going to
 last very long above 1200C.



 We hope it will get to 1400C before the coils burn out, but we will be
 taking data in small steps of temperature until we get there, so even if it
 burns out, we will have data supporting or negating the Lugano result.



 The design work MFMP also goes to show that if the Lugano hotCat was
 actually operating at 1400C for weeks that it must use a refractory heater
 technology such as moly silicide or SiC (good research by Bob Greenyer).
 Both of these heater types have large swings in electrical resistance
 between startup and operating temperature (consistent with Rossi wanting to
 be part of controlling the input power as it comes up to temperature so as
 not to burn out the heater).  These heater technologies only supply about
 1kW in the size of the heater coil portion of the hotCat.  So, if the
 output temperature really was 1400C range, and the Lugano calculations were
 correct about the heat output being 3.28kW, then the heat could not have
 been coming all from the heater input - these heater types simply are not
 capable of producing all of that heat.



 Because the MFMP test will use all electrical input in the replica to
 produce the heat, when the infrared response of the replica is matched in
 the Optris camera between the MFMP test and the Lugano test (regardless of
 the temperature), then the MFMP replica input heat to get that match IS the
 total heat being produced by the Lugano hotCat.  MFMP will not need to
 compute the convection and radiation heats because the output heat will be
 equal to the measured input electrical power (we 

Re: [Vo]: Neutron Tunneling Theory regarding Lugano Report--

2014-12-04 Thread ChemE Stewart
Solved, I think it is grape power

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCNNqgKqnaQ

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Neutron as produced, but the question is when. Are they primary to
 causation or are these neutron formed as an stabilizing  adjustment of the
 nucleus after the LENR reaction takes place?

 The question is what gets through the coulomb barrier: neutrons, EMF,
 protons?

 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:

   Mats Lewan in a revised addition to his book on Rossi earlier this
 year has added a comment about a paper from Carl-Oscar Gullström.

 He mentions that Carl-Oscar Gullström’s paper, “Low Radiation fusion
 through bound neutron Tunneling” got some positive attention from Bo
 Höistad, one of the authors of the Lugano report who told Mats: “It is very
 interesting. It fits like a glove with our results, both the isotopic
 changes and the absence of radiation. It is the first time that I see a
 scenario that could explain the results—it has not existed before!”

 The paper can be found form E-Cat World here:


 http://www.scribd.com/doc/244393652/Low-radiation-fusion-through-bound-neutron-tunneling

 This may be the answer to the Rossi effect that the Swedes are looking
 for.   Carl-Oscar is a student at Uppsala University--

 Bravo,

 Bob Cook











Re: [Vo]:Virtual photon superradiance

2014-11-05 Thread ChemE Stewart
Atoms are bosoms and when bosoms all communicate
I was trying to get a good visual on that...

bos·om
ˈbo͝ozəm/
*noun*
plural noun: *bosoms*

   1. a woman's chest.
   her ample bosom
   synonyms:bust
   
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   , chest
   
https://www.google.com/search?num=30rlz=1C1GGGE___US551US551espv=2q=define+chestsa=Xei=reZaVJ-SEY2kyATzx4CgCAved=0CCIQ_SowAA
   ; More
   - a woman's breast.
  - a part of a woman's dress covering the chest.


On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:

 It is difficult to try and keep up with you, axil axil.

 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10.1103/PhysRevLett.113.193002

 Quantum Fluctuations Affect a Row of Distant Ions
 The quantum vacuum teems with particles flitting in and out of existence,
 with small but measurable effects on matter. A team of Israeli researchers
 now show that virtual photons produce a tiny collective energy change in a
 row of trapped ions even when the ions are micrometers apart.

 This action at a distance is a hallmark of the LENR reaction. Greatly
 enhanced virtual photons strength function in LENR to stabilize radioactive
 byproducts of fusion reactions.

 The influence of virtual photons in the quantum vacuum was first seen in
 frequency shifts in the fine structure of the hydrogen spectrum. The
 discovery of this “Lamb shift”—named for the Nobel-prize-winning
 experimenter Willis Lamb who first measured it—inspired a new description
 of the electromagnetic field’s interaction with matter: quantum
 electrodynamics (another Nobel-prize-winning effort.)

 In this latest research, physicists have used atom-trapping technology to
 show how the vacuum’s effects grow when many identical emitters interact.
 For example, in “superradiance,” the total emission increases because
 virtual photons emitted by one atom stimulate emission by the others. The
 corresponding “collective Lamb shift” of the energy levels has previously
 been measured for emitters that are closer than the light wavelength, so
 their dipole moments interact directly.

 Atoms are bosoms and when bosoms all communicate so that they work in
 unison, greatly enhanced super-radiance resonance results. Polaritons are
 strongly coupled through dipole thermal vibrations. A collection of
 polaritons will quickly reach a state of condensation to a common
 residential quantum configuration. The virtual particles produced by this
 condensate is super-radiant meaning those disturbances in the EMF field
 will be greatly amplified and there effects will be felt at a considerable
 distance from there point of origin.

 Not only the magnetic anaplole fields produced by polariton solitons will
 be greatly amplified by super-radiance but also the associated virtual
 particles derived from disturbances in the vacuum in which the polariton
 solitons condensate rests will also be greatly amplified.

 In such a situation, a very quick or even instantaneous stabilization of
 radioactive nuclear wast products from fusion reactions will result.





Re: [Vo]:A new type of laser is born?

2014-10-22 Thread ChemE Stewart
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal_moment

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 There is a two. way full duplex energy transfer path between the SPP
 condensate and the nuclear reactions via a magnetic field. Specifically a
 anapole field.

 On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

  I made a mistake in the 4th paragraph and have changed the wording to
 one quanta rather than more one.

 Bob

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 7:15 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:A new type of laser is born?

 Axil, Robert, Jones etal.--

 How does the mass energy of a nucleus transfer to the plasmons described
 in this article?

  It must be the secret sauce of Rossi's reactor.

 The mechanism of transferring the energy to the dipoles of the
 nanoplasmonic substance and, hence via super radiance to the lattice of the
 metal, seems correct assuming the  nanoplasmonic coherent system or entity
 is pumped up in energy by something.

 The paper cited does not address the possible ways of exciting the
 available plasmonic entity Eigen states.  It does suggest that Eigen values
 of spin 1 are preferred in the transfer of small quanta of energy  to the
 metal lattice and this suggests a mechanism for mass transfer to the
 plasmonic entity.

 Potentially, a two way reaction takes place where  an excited nucleus
 with its angular momentum  Eigen states   transfers one quanta of angular
 momentum to the plasmonic state.  This would change the odds for the return
 to a lower energy nuclear state of the original nucleus and
 potentially  favor  a new set of nuclei which conserve the angular momentum
 of the coherent system--nuclei and nanoplasmonic state  with a transfer of
 many additional quanta to the plasmonic entity one quanta at a time.

 The nanoplasmonic state then proceeds to transfer its excess angular
 momentum energy back to the metal lattice (as suggested in the paper from
 Jackson State and the French University contributors) with the excess mass
 changed to small bits of radiant energy and hence to heat.

 Exciting the Eigen states of the original nucleus is nothing more than
 what is done in NMR (MRI)  machines and maybe Rossi's reactor.

 In keeping with humble conjectures,

 Bob Cook



 - Original Message -
 *From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
 *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, October 21, 2014 8:55 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:A new type of laser is born?

 Please...yes, you are all on the right track,,,This is all standard
 nanoplasmonic theory. What is not covered by you good fellows yet and the
 area that I am still ahead on is how the SPP concentrate EMF and project it
 to cause nuclear reactions with the help of particle formation from the
 vacuum..

 On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:19 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
 wrote:

 Bob,

 The Pustovit paper you found certainly supplies the formalism for what we
 are suggesting, and is almost too perfect.
 http://arxiv.org/pdf/1001.0422v3.pdf
 Plasmon-mediated superradiance near metal nanostructures

 I am taken aback by a Russian PhD at Jackson State - being the author,
 but
 it is what it is. Lots of top-level Russians have come to the US simply
 to
 get away from that madness.

 Of course, this interlocking set of hypotheses we are talking about - is
 still a house of cards, and to combine so many mechanisms into a model
 which
 was ostensibly supposed to be based on nuclear fusion but is now
 completely
 different - is going to ruffle a lot of feathers.

 But clearly there is no nuclear reaction involved in this experiment,
 and if
 there can be 1.5 megawatt of heat with counts that are actually less than
 background - I think we are on the right track to pursue any valid
 alternative, even if the thermal gain was half the claim; and this hybrid
 explanation is looking better and better as the papers mount up
 suggesting
 that the SPP, superradiance and MIMS details are themselves relevant. The
 Casimir leg of the table is a bit shakier, but maybe not since it is
 based
 on solid results for several major Universities.

 Hopefully the MFMP will see a further validation of this M.O.  - if and
 when
 their dummy turns out to produce what could be slight gain. That would
 be
 my expectation.

 Thanks for your insight.

 -Original Message-
 From: Robert Ellefson
 Dear Vortex-L,

 Stimulated by Jones Beene's thoughts on a coherent lasing system based
 on a
 Dynamical Casimir Effect (DCE) from his postings earlier today, I hope to
 encourage further discussion along these lines of thought.

 In reference to the characteristic morphology of the nickel ash grain
 (particle 1, figure 2, page 43) that I described in this posting:
  http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg98350.html

 I believe that the abundant 2-micron protrusions in the nickel ash
 represent
 

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