Dave, appreciate Your approach,
hope crowd-intelligence gets some traction and Chuck keeps on commenting.
I think Your hands-on first-order approach is the way to go, until a promising
effect shows.
From a metrological point-of-view the situation is quite nifty, because there
are several
Hi Eric,
I think your right. The yttrium signal was Tom Droege's Pd/D cell.
This was Pd/D just so there is no confusion with the Ni/H experiments. I
wish I could recall what Tom's theory was. He was pretty excited about it
though. To be honest with everyone, I think it was a
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Chuck Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote:
I hope your measuring the voltage and amperage going into the cell(s).
When I saw the heat, the current would shoot through the roof, just like
somehow the resistance drops toward zero.
Maybe we can call it the Lomax
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Sent: Fri, Sep 28, 2012 1:43 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck
Sites
Hi Dave,
I never had one fail. The ratio is 3g Borax to 100ml of distilled H20
Jed,
You probably remember Tom Droege the Electrical Engineer from Fermi
lab. He had a live PF replication running for few months and would post
his latest measurements in Usenet's sci.physics.fusion group. I think he
did eventually publish a conference paper on coloremetry, but his
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:07 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Unfortunately I have not seem any measurable rise above the electrolyte
temperature yet. My experiment has been running for about 36 hours so far.
You are, of course, running a control using steel plugs instead of
I think the government is aware that copious amounts of free energy is
possible by coinage electrolysis.
Section 331 of Title 18 of the United States code provides criminal
penalties for anyone who fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates
impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens any of
Chuck
Can you dig up any of that old theory you mentioned?
Anytime a theory makes predictions which turn out to be true, it should be
given a close look - no matter how preposterous. In this case, yttrium would
be highly unexpected, and it could add a lot of credibility to examine any
theory
hohlr...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck
Sites
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:07 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Unfortunately I have not seem any measurable rise above
Don't we wish!
Dave
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Sent: Fri, Sep 28, 2012 10:16 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck
Sites
I think the government is aware that copious amounts
Today, I am going to begin with Chucks experiment. I plan to use a piece of
copper attached to the negative supply terminal and a nickel to the positive
one. My sodium carbonate electrolyte is to be replaced by the borax.
I felt like it would be easy to set aside the nickel loading for a
Excuse the typos - Y has 39 protons of course - but the major point is this:
can any theory predict yttrium and account for the lack of extra neutrons -
if P+D is the operative reaction?
_
From: Jones Beene
Comment below
On 9/28/2012 2:39 AM, David Roberson wrote:
Hi Chuck,
[snip]
My supply is current limited and will not increase beyond what it is
set for. I would see my supply voltage drop toward zero if the system
resistance were to head in that direction.
I am positive that I am reading
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint
This is not bad news... this establishes a baseline if your
calcs agree with a conventional explanation
For anyone pursuing this, even in the simplest hobby kind of way, it
should pay-off to employ some of Celani's technique
-
From: David L Babcock ol...@rochester.rr.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Sep 28, 2012 12:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck
Sites
Comment below
On 9/28/2012 2:39 AM, David Roberson wrote:
Hi
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 4:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Terry, this is not a scientific quality measurement, but a quick dirty
amateur test so settle down. [image: ;-)]
It's okay. I have done my share of experiments of this type. I even saved
a couple of liters of power
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
For instance - Y is element 39 and it consists of ~100% of the one stable
isotope - which is 88.9 amu, having 29 protons and 40 neutrons with no
other
isotope.
I think you're right to focus on the weird transmutations.
I wrote:
I think you're right to focus on the weird transmutations. Yttrium is one
of them. It is not like the others. I think you're talking about a Pd/D
system. You probably have in mind a specific reference -- can you share it?
I see now you were probably referring to Chuck Sites's
Abd Ul,
Von: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
Maybe it's space aliens. I'm kinda liking that explanation. I can move it
around and explain anything with it. Are they *friendly* space aliens? I'd like
to think so.
Now You're getting funny.
Kinda
Replicators :
I plan to hold my 2 nickels vertically, and only partly immersed in
the Borax (so that all connections are above the fluid).
How far apart should they be?
I saw elsewhere that all Australian silver coins are also
nickel-copper :(maybe swedish, too) : A big coin would be
At 11:17 AM 9/27/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
I saw elsewhere that all Australian silver coins are also
nickel-copper :(maybe swedish, too) : A big coin would be easier to
connect than a nickel.
US 10c : 21 mm diameter
AUS 20c : 28mm
SW 1KR : 25mm
I think I'll stop by a coin dealer and see
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Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 2:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck
Sites
Replicators :
I plan to hold my 2 nickels vertically, and only partly immersed
At 02:18 PM 9/27/2012, David Roberson wrote:
I also
placed my connections above the bath. With Borax, they had to be
fairly close together to get 1 amp. I estimate from memory about
1/2 inch maximum.
Thanks --- have you observed HOT NICKELS yet?
: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck
Sites
At 02:18 PM 9/27/2012, David Roberson wrote:
I alsoplaced my connections above the bath. With Borax, they had to befairly
close together to get 1 amp. I estimate from memory about1/2 inch maximum.
Thanks --- have you
: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
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Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck
Sites
Unfortunately I have not seem any measurable rise above the electrolyte
temperature yet. My experiment
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents :
Chuck Sites
At 02:18 PM 9/27/2012, David Roberson wrote:
I also placed my connections above the bath. With Borax, they had to be
fairly close together to get 1 amp. I estimate from memory about 1/2 inch
maximum.
Thanks
Hi Lomax,
First, I've enjoyed reading your posts as a lurker;
I remember that hit piece in Science from Lewis very well. It was
disturbing and really put the whole of Cold Fusion into doubt. Nathan
Lewis, published a really good analysis on calorimetry of electrolysis and
the physics thermal
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:29 AM, Chuck Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote:
I remember that hit piece in Science from Lewis very well. It was
disturbing and really put the whole of Cold Fusion into doubt. Nathan
Lewis, published a really good analysis on calorimetry of electrolysis and
the
jabow...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 26, 2012 11:56 am
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5
cents : Chuck Sites
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:29 AM, Chuck Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote:
I remember that hit piece in Science from
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
How could Lewis's critique be taken seriously when he didn't even have the
calorimeter design actually used by PF?
Here is a paper I wrote about Lewis this August.
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJhownaturer.pdf
- Jed
by a dedicated
scientist if he realizes that his work has harmed the world.
Dave
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At 09:48 PM 9/25/2012, Eric Walker wrote:
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Abd ul-Rahman
Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
None of what has been written recently in this
thread addresses calorimetry or any evidence of
nuclear reactions, I want to make that clear.
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
See, almost immediately, after the announcement, a huge number of groups
started to attempt replication.
People often say this, but I do not see much evidence for it. As far as I
know, during the first year roughly 150 to 200 groups attempted
At 05:06 PM 9/26/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
See, almost immediately, after the announcement, a huge number of
groups started to attempt replication.
People often say this, but I do not see much evidence for it. As far
@Chuck: Thanks for confirming the bending of the coin.
@all: I am interested, not to replicated this experiment in the first
place, but because I observe 2 things:
1) Bending a constantaan coin will cause cracks in the metal lattice.
2) Using borax, there is a fair chance that this will create a
Some additional finding on silicate layers:
Miles found that the formation of silicate latyer in the PF experiments was
occuring and possibly essencial to get the effect.
Details:
The silicates on palladium cathodes is mentioned in the interview with
Miles:
To clearify my observations further:
1) room temperature experiments seem to require an additional trick to get
sufficient Hydrogen absorbtion: the use of an additional (transparant) layer
2) Rossi might not need to have the additional layer since he is operating
his nickel at a condition where
understanding of how you isolate the effect out of noise and
side-effects.
Quite basic, right?
Guenter
Von: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Gesendet: 7:08 Dienstag, 25.September 2012
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction
At 10:15 PM 9/24/2012, Eric Walker wrote:
If a reproducible lo-fi protocol could be
worked out, someone could write to Nathan Lewis
and say, we took a look at your objections in
1989 to the calorimetry and think we might have
found a way around some of the difficulties ...
None of what
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
None of what has been written recently in this thread addresses calorimetry
or any evidence of nuclear reactions, I want to make that clear. That
something gets hot sometimes and sometimes not isn't even close to
Yeah, and remember I was trying to achieve Boron-Hydrogen fusion. At the
beginning of the PF announcement, Pons' and Flieshman suggested that the
electrolysis over potential could induce pressures at the surface of the
metal that are literally astronomical. I don't recall exactly, but it was
...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck
Sites
Yeah, and remember I was trying to achieve Boron-Hydrogen fusion. At the
beginning of the PF announcement, Pons' and Flieshman
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such as this when you were destroying materials and transformers.
Dave
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Sent: Mon, Sep 24, 2012 4:37 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents :
Chuck Sites
Yeah, and remember I
I think these are Chuck's first posts on usenet
:
5/4/89
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=enfromgroups=#!topic/alt.fusion/BwPLHQ2lO
TE
...
Using these ideas, here is a basement physics experiment,
I've tried
(It's only sugjested as possible way to see cold fusion if B2H-- is
doing as I
At 02:05 PM 9/24/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
I think these are Chuck's first posts on usenet :
5/4/89
That would be 5/14/89
Hello Chuck,
You have made an interresting experiment worth to try to repeat. Teslaalset
and Dave are on it seems.
Chuch, did you try with another salt than Borax and succeed on excess heat
as you had with Borax ? Is Borax a key element ?
Best regards,
Arnaud Kodeck
Hi Arnaud,
Yes, I did try two other electrolytes; Boric Acid (H3BO3) was one,
and Potassium Hydroxide (KOH). Mills was a proponent of the KOH and nickel
and his shrunken hydrogen theory (the hydrino concept) was interesting.
He put some work into, but I could never get it to work. The
I just won a 0-30V 5A power supply on eBay. Now I need to save up
for a coup'la nickels.
(I really AM going to scoop up some free Borax!)
At 04:47 PM 9/24/2012, Arnaud Kodeck wrote:
You have made an interresting experiment worth to try to repeat.
Teslaalset and Dave are on it seems.
Chuch, did you try with another salt than Borax and succeed on
excess heat as you had with Borax ? Is Borax a key element ?
The experimental
, 2012 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck
Sites
I just won a 0-30V 5A power supply on eBay. Now I need to save up
for a coup'la nickels.
(I really AM going to scoop up some free Borax!)
I don't want to frighten people away from trying things. Playing with
electrochemistry can be a way to learn about it, and to start to get
a sense for what has happened in the field. Chuck's experiences with
things getting gunked up, for example.
CF anodes (the electrode connected to the
: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents :
Chuck Sites
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 6:00 PM, David Roberson
dlrober...@aol.commailto:dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
At the moment my hydrogen loading system is taking 1 amp at about 20 volts.
The voltage reading varies greatly depending
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
I don't want to frighten people away from trying things. Playing with
electrochemistry can be a way to learn about it, and to start to get
a sense for what has happened in the field.
I plan to run mine outside (either in the open, or under my
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Roarty, Francis X
francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:
How about a Hoffman tube to capture the hydrogen and a wall mart aerator
for a fish tank to circulate it back up thru the electrolyte – the excess
would escape but pure hydrogen could be obtained from a small
:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck
Sites
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
I don't want to frighten people away from trying things. Playing with
electrochemistry can be a way to learn about it, and to start to get
a sense for what
:15 pm
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5
cents : Chuck Sites
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com
wrote:
How about a Hoffman tube to capture the hydrogen and a wall mart aerator for a
fish tank to circulate
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:58 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I have been seeking a constant current through the nickel versus a constant
power into the system since the resistance of the electrolyte is dominate.
High resistivity is not necessarily an issue, per se. In the Pd/D
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 10:19 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I would be concerned about the cost of platinum. Stainless steel might
work since it is un reactive.
The problem of cost is an important one, since we're talking about a
tabletop experiment.
The danger of falling back
and electroplating. Any LENR activity would be welcome but not
expected with my crude setup.
Dave
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Sent: Sun, Sep 23, 2012 2:08 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 12:36 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I read that carbon rods could be obtained at craft stores so I might take a
trip to find one if my stainless is a problem. Did someone mention that
iron might be a catalyst in Rossi's device? I guess I might get some
(UTC)
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck
Sites
I read that carbon rods could be obtained at craft stores so I might take a
trip to find one if my stainless is a problem. Did someone mention that iron
might be a catalyst in Rossi's device? I guess I might get
From: John Page johnp...@comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:41:11 AM
I would think that cutting and bending might create numerous NAE
sites. This step may be very important.
I always point out that the initial replicators should heed the alchemists, and
follow the instructions
Nickel Coin LENR Experiment
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/09/nickel-coin-lenr-experiment/
Mostly a quote and summary of vortex.
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Sent: Sun, Sep 23, 2012 12:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck
Sites
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 12:36 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I read that carbon
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 6:00 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
At the moment my hydrogen loading system is taking 1 amp at about 20 volts.
The voltage reading varies greatly depending upon the spacing between the
electrodes as expected with a resistive electrolyte.
I'm enjoying
of hydrogen bubbling off the nickel and
oxygen leaving the pencil lead. There is a temptation to light a match
Dave
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Sent: Sun, Sep 23, 2012 9:30 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type
At 08:29 PM 9/23/2012, Eric Walker wrote:
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 6:00 PM, David Roberson
mailto:dlrober...@aol.comdlrober...@aol.com wrote:
At the moment my hydrogen loading system is
taking 1 amp at about 20 volts. Â The voltage
reading varies greatly depending upon the
spacing between
I have a pre-tirement house near a Borax source :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax_Lake_Site. It was the major US source
before those dang mule trains took over.
It would be a real doozie if I could just scrape up some salts, hook up the
nickels and demonstrate CF// an anomalous heat effect.
What's the quickest way to do some basic calorimetry ... ?
a) Stir the boron and measure the temperature inside and outside the container.
b) Compare the measured VA and the delta-T of the solution.
c) Use an oscilloscope to check that there are no spikes/abnormal waveforms in
the input power.
I would say just measure the temperature of an open beaker containing the
boron solution.
What you're probably looking after is sudden heat increase due to a kind of
LENR effect.
If such an effect is occurring you should see different slope of the
Temp/time graph you should compose.
Such sudden
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote:
If you want an extra reference you could use a second identical beaker and
use only graphite rods in the same solution.
Graphite rods are not necessarily a suitable control. It is possible that
graphite will be
From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 11:58:00 AM
If you want an extra reference you could use a second identical beaker
and use only graphite rods in the same solution.
Graphite rods are not necessarily a suitable control. It is possible
that graphite
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
I think that all obvious controls should be tested : nickel, copper ...
Chuck reported some.
But graphite is probably a good base.
Sure -- any possible and interesting control should be attempted, and
graphite is definitely
I've got to set me up a Sites Effect experiment. But it has to be portable (ie
outside).
What's the total power to bring it to hot status (8 hrs?)
I see two options for power :
6V Lantern Battery
A 12V Car Starter kit Normal mode seems to have a current limiter, boost mode
bypasses it.
From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
I propose either silicon or magnesium as suitable controls.
Ummm Burning or molten magnesium metal reacts violently with water.
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Ummm Burning or molten magnesium metal reacts violently with water.
Ha! That's right.
There's also reason to think platinum would be a suitable control in an H2
gas or light water experiment.
Eric
Based on comments in this thread you should be prepared to run for
considerably more than 8 hours. Give yourself at least a day and then you
should be prepared to run for a while if you want to make sure you're
observing anything interesting, so call it 48 hours.
Again based on comments in the
to set the short circuit current while the voltage adjusts to
compensate for spacing and resistance variation.
Dave
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Sent: Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type
I wonder whether anode and cathode are mixed up here.
The cathode in such setup generates Hydrogen.
Using a coin as cathode enables hydrogen to merge into the coin's metal
lattice.
Right?
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
At 12:25 PM 9/19/2012, Jones Beene
Actually, the polarity issue was one of the things that intrigued me about
Chuck's results, in the context of AC.
With DC and a graphite cathode, the suspicion is that carbon is
participating in the heat, BUT Sites says he saw no thermal anomaly with
other metals as the anode. Often, in simple
Jones, did you take pains to keep the wires and connections out of the
electrolyte? How did you attach the wires to the coins? Did you do anything
special to prepare the surface of the coins, or just use dirty old
circulating nickels? ;-)
Thanks!
Jeff
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Jones
I'm trying to record a YT video today. This is much harder than doing the
actual experiment.
No pains or precautions were used. Alligator clips for leads. This begs to
be repeated with greater care. Old coins were cleaned with ultrasound, and
the nickels were flash nickel-plated, to get
Hi. I guess I'm no longer a lurker.
Fascinating. I can't wait to see the video.Just so know how machined
the
coins into electrodes; I just used a hacksaw and made two cuts into the
coin
to make a tab, and then bent it up with needle nose pliers. The tab was
about 1/8 thick and stood
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Sent: Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:40 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck
Sites
I wonder whether anode and cathode are mixed up here.
The cathode in such setup generates
From: Chuck Sites
Just to make clear, the nickel was always on the + side of the power supply,
and is described in Wikipedia as the cathode.
Hmm . I'm usually the mildly dyslexic one, but someone is confused: the + or
positively charged electrode is the anode in an electrolytic
]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck
Sites
From:Chuck Sites
Just to make clear, the nickel was always on the +side of the power supply,
and is described in Wikipedia as the cathode.
Hmm … I’m usually the mildlydyslexic one, but someone is confused
for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents :
Chuck Sites
*From:* Chuck Sites
Just to make clear, the nickel was always on the + side of the power
supply,
and is described in Wikipedia as the cathode.
Hmm … I’m usually the mildly dyslexic one, but someone is confused: the
+ or positively
that this is wrong please explain your
understanding as I would be interested.
Dave
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Sent: Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:44 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents :
Chuck
At 04:14 PM 9/21/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote:
I got email on the from a lurker about this too. Agree. In an
electrolytic cell, the cathode is the one connected to the negative
terminal of the power supply, and this is the business end for H2.
And with AC the ends will alternate?
cbsit...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck
Sites
It will be interesting to see what you all get. I guess if your using two
nickels, its not going to matter which is plus and which
Heh. I guess that's the only possible interpretation.
Dave talked about positive and negative terminals so I assumed he was using
a DC supply. In which case the conventional definition makes sense.
My first sentence was supposed to say: I got email on the *side *from a
lurker ...
Jeff
On Fri,
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
This was the point of trying a crude
replication. It requires nothing exotic to do this, and it appears that
yes-
there is unusual heating with the US 5-cent coins as both anode and
cathode,
with borax electrolyte, under
This is all a joke, right?
At 06:14 PM 9/21/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote:
I got email on the from a lurker about this too. Agree. In an
electrolytic cell, the cathode is the one connected to the negative
terminal of the power supply, and this is the business end for H2.
Yes, the cathode is supplied with negative voltage.
From: Eric Walker
This was the point of trying a crude replication. It
requires nothing exotic to do this, and it appears that yes- there is
unusual heating with the US 5-cent coins as both anode and cathode,
with borax electrolyte, under AC power
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Ohmic heating is fully conservative, and if you put in 10 watts of electric
power and get back 12 watts of heat, then either it is measurement error…
or
… not exactly Joule heating.
Just to clarify -- I enjoyed the
The dissolving in salt water is a matter of course, actually. I used to
work on fixed sonar equipment. It's astounding - the first time - what
happens to dissimilar metals in salt water when there is a small current
flow for one reason or another. But quickly you just learn from your
elders: tell
From: Eric Walker
Ohmic heating is fully conservative, and if you put in 10 watts of electric
power and get back 12 watts of heat, then either it is measurement error… or
… not exactly Joule heating.
Just to clarify -- I enjoyed the report. I also took particular pleasure in
hearing
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Nick Reiter will strive to publish a white paper on Sat eve or maybe later
– of his extraordinary early findings with cobalt ions in Zeolite. This
could blow Celani out of the water in terms of robustness, and Fran Roarty
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