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London. David Rubenstein, co-founder of the Carlyle Group, pledged Thursday to 
"make amends" to investors in a fund that is facing collapse and has ties to 
his firm.

"We're working to find ways to help people to deal with losses and maybe 
recover some capital," Rubenstein said in a telephone interview.

The fund, Carlyle Capital, came to the brink of collapse on Thursday after 
discussions on refinancing failed, prompting a default on its debt. The fund's 
inability to strike a deal in talks with creditors late on Wednesday, despite 
help from Rubenstein and the Carlyle Group's strong ties to lenders, sent 
renewed shudders around global markets. Investors fear that more funds will run 
into trouble as clients seek withdrawals.

"I thought we'd work out a way to solve the problem but each of the banks were 
so worried about their own credit situation," Rubenstein said. "The result is 
not a happy one. Over 20 years we had good investment judgment but we're not 
infallible."

Rubenstein said that the banks recognized this was "an unusual situation" and 
he did not expect the fund's collapse to have any repercussion on the Carlyle 
Group's relationships with the lenders, which include most Wall Street banks. 
The Carlyle Group shares some investors with the fund, which is run by Carlyle 
Group executives who also own about 15 percent of the fund, but Carlyle Group 
does not own any of its assets. 

Carlyle Capital said Thursday that it expected lenders to take possession of 
its remaining assets, a portfolio of U.S. residential mortgage-backed 
securities rated triple-A.

"If banks are unwilling to lend, then this is the lifeblood of capitalism being 
restricted," said Justin Urquhart Stewart, co-founder of 7 Investment 
Management in London. "Hedge funds and other weaker operations are being broken 
like people stepping on twigs."

Carlyle Capital's problems also provide a glimpse into the challenges faced by 
the usually secretive hedge fund industry because it is one of the few that is 
publicly listed. The situation has also raised questions about the 
vulnerability of the privately held funds, which disclose little data.

Carlyle Capital joins a number of funds that have run into trouble this year 
after banks hit by write-downs on assets backed by subprime mortgages started 
to call in loans or asked for better collateral.

Among the funds that are struggling, Peloton Partners, a hedge fund in London 
run by former Goldman Sachs partners, was forced to liquidate its largest funds 
last month. Thornburg Mortgage, a major American lender, also ran into trouble 
after it failed to meet some margin calls, and Drake Management in New York 
said that it might shut its largest hedge fund.

Some investors say they believe that attempts by central bankers to inject 
funds into the banking system may not be enough to revive markets.

"It's a confidence issue," said Irfan Younus, a banking analyst at NCB 
Stockbrokers. "People are still nervous and banks are reluctant to lend more 
because they're in the process of deleveraging."

Last month, Carlyle Capital was managing $21.7 billion in assets - mostly 
triple-A rated mortgage debt issued by Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Like many of 
its peers, it had leveraged itself aggressively, borrowing $31 for each dollar 
of equity, according to its annual report. Lenders include Deutsche Bank, Bear 
Stearns, Merrill Lynch and JPMorgan Chase.

As those investments lost value and banks worried about their debt exposure, 
creditors demanded that Carlyle Capital put up more and more funds as 
collateral for the loans. A $150 million credit line from its parent, the 
Carlyle Group, was not enough to keep it out of trouble.

By Wednesday, it had defaulted on about $16.6 billion of debt and some lenders 
started to liquidate assets.

Talks to halt liquidations and revive the fund's finances failed late Wednesday 
after the value of collateral declined further, prompting an additional $97.5 
million in margin calls.

The fund's shares, which were first offered in July 2007 and are traded on the 
Amsterdam Stock Exchange, are now worth 43 cents each, compared with $19 when 
they started trading last summer. They have dropped more than 90 percent since 
the company's problems became public last week.

In a statement on Wednesday, the Carlyle Group stressed that it had not 
purchased any of Carlyle Capital's securities and was linked to the fund only 
by name, the credit line and the fact that about 15 percent of the fund's 
securities are owned by Carlyle Group employees.

The fund is run by John Stomber, a managing director at the Carlyle Group and a 
former executive at Cerberus Capital Management.

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