Re: [Vo]:[OT] ten core beliefs that most scientists take for granted

2014-01-10 Thread Alain Sepeda
What you say seems rational. I just moderate the par on talking to funders, seems outspokend people like Kelvin have no problem of funding... they were, like many, locked in their conservatism... by the way, as a foreign english speaker, could you say what does mean outspoken, as you use it, as

Re: [Vo]:[OT] ten core beliefs that most scientists take for granted

2014-01-10 Thread Nigel Dyer
To give an example of what might be an ignored anomoly In the last few years Konovalov in mosow has published papers that appear to show that when you do serial dilultion of certain solutes then structures persist in the water that can be seen in the water (and therfore might be the basis

Re: [Vo]:[OT] ten core beliefs that most scientists take for granted

2014-01-10 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: by the way, as a foreign english speaker, could you say what does mean outspoken, as you use it, as Charles Beaudette use in his book... Outspoken has mildly negative connotations. It vaguely suggests that one is a

Re: [Vo]:[OT] ten core beliefs that most scientists take for granted

2014-01-10 Thread Foks0904 .
*I like teleology. But I try not to mix teleology with my (hobby) science.* I think its a misconception that teleology and science are mutually exclusive. I think Nagel in Mind and Cosmos, amongst others, makes a convincing argument for this. The neo-Darwinian and Newtonian conception of how we

RE: [Vo]:[OT] ten core beliefs that most scientists take for granted

2014-01-09 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
[mailto:itsat...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 6:59 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] ten core beliefs that most scientists take for granted Heh i've been playing around with that idea since reading a book on chemical memories when I was 12. On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 2:26 AM

Re: [Vo]:[OT] ten core beliefs that most scientists take for granted

2014-01-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
good remarks. Unlike some critics against mainstream scientist, my main feeling is that many scientists share with pseudo-scientists a love for theory, teleology, coherence, and when facing reality, serendipity, anomalies, they refuse to accept it. for me scientists are not enough materialist,

Re: [Vo]:[OT] ten core beliefs that most scientists take for granted

2014-01-09 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 5:45 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: Unlike some critics against mainstream scientist, my main feeling is that many scientists share with pseudo-scientists a love for theory, teleology, coherence, and when facing reality, serendipity, anomalies, they

Re: [Vo]:[OT] ten core beliefs that most scientists take for granted

2014-01-08 Thread Nigel Dyer
My suspicion is that many of Sheldrakes 'non-materialist' ideas, such as the idea that memories are not just physical traces in the brain will turn out to be true, but will also turn out to be materialist and grounded in the science that we already understand. Nigel On 08/01/2014 06:36,

Re: [Vo]:[OT] ten core beliefs that most scientists take for granted

2014-01-08 Thread Foks0904 .
*My suspicion is that many of Sheldrakes 'non-materialist' ideas, such as the idea that memories are not just physical traces in the brain will turn out to be true, but will also turn out to be materialist and grounded in the science that we already understand.* Well I would say many of the ideas

Re: [Vo]:[OT] ten core beliefs that most scientists take for granted

2014-01-08 Thread jwinter
On 8/01/2014 5:26 PM, Nigel Dyer wrote: My suspicion is that many of Sheldrakes 'non-materialist' ideas, such as the idea that memories are not just physical traces in the brain will turn out to be true, but will also turn out to be materialist and grounded in the science that we already

Re: [Vo]:[OT] ten core beliefs that most scientists take for granted

2014-01-08 Thread ChemE Stewart
I think this video sums it up...:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qrriKcwvlY#t=58 On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:09 PM, jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au wrote: On 8/01/2014 5:26 PM, Nigel Dyer wrote: My suspicion is that many of Sheldrakes 'non-materialist' ideas, such as the idea that memories

RE: [Vo]:[OT] ten core beliefs that most scientists take for granted

2014-01-08 Thread Jones Beene
From: jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au Nigel Dyer wrote: My suspicion is that many of Sheldrakes 'non-materialist' ideas, such as the idea that memories are not just physical traces in the brain will turn out to be true, but will also turn out to be materialist and grounded in the science

Re: [Vo]:[OT] ten core beliefs that most scientists take for granted

2014-01-08 Thread leaking pen
Heh i've been playing around with that idea since reading a book on chemical memories when I was 12. On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 2:26 AM, Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote: My suspicion is that many of Sheldrakes 'non-materialist' ideas, such as the idea that memories are not just physical

Re: [Vo]:[OT] ten core beliefs that most scientists take for granted

2014-01-07 Thread jwinter
On 8/01/2014 1:03 PM, Rich Murray wrote: ... The Scientific Creed and the Credibility Crunch for Materialism by *Rupert Sheldrake*, Ph.D; biologist and author of Science Set Free http://www.deepakchopra.com/book/view/927 ... Worth taking a look at the Sheldrake interview relating to the