[Vo]:Another BLP PR blurb, this one with a photo
Another in an endless series of BLP PR aftershocks: See: http://www.dosci.org/energy/thermal-power-generator-to-revolutionize-the-world/ or http://tinyurl.com/5zhlta This brief post comes with a photograph of what looks like a generating facility. No caption. No description of what the photograph depicts. I assume the photo is nothing more than stock footage slapped up showing of a typical generator that may reside at a utility plant and has absolutely nothing to do with an actual alleged BLP prototype that may be in the process of being assembled. But if someone wishes to correct me, I'm all ears! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Another BLP PR blurb, this one with a photo
--- OrionWorks wrote: I assume the photo is nothing more than stock footage slapped up showing of a typical generator that may reside at a utility plant and has absolutely nothing to do with an actual alleged BLP prototype Correct. There is zero connection of this image to BLP. The faceplate in the image says Fuji: which I believe it to be a model name of generators made by Hitachi: http://www-pis.hitachi.co.jp/large-generator/product/lineup/index.html
Re: [Vo]:Another BLP PR blurb, this one with a photo
Yep!, It's a Fuji. Remember that public relations (PR) is the bedrock of credibility. Richard
Re: [Vo]:Another BLP PR blurb, this one with a photo
On Jun 3, 2008, at 5:21 AM, Jones Beene wrote: --- OrionWorks wrote: I assume the photo is nothing more than stock footage slapped up showing of a typical generator that may reside at a utility plant and has absolutely nothing to do with an actual alleged BLP prototype Correct. There is zero connection of this image to BLP. The faceplate in the image says Fuji: which I believe it to be a model name of generators made by Hitachi: http://www-pis.hitachi.co.jp/large-generator/product/lineup/index.html If you want to see what appears to be the actual photon on the original web site check out the photo titled The outline of Noshiro No. 1 Thermal Power station: http://tinyurl.com/3wjds5 Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Another BLP PR blurb, this one with a photo
The photo is stock. If one studies the Commercialization ... paper and then looks at the BLP website, the thumbnail pix will begin to be recongnizable. Right-clicking and going to 'Properties' will yield some titles. The paper describes tests using the cylindrical calorimeters in the thumbnails. The tests are in a batch mode as stated and are a prototype in the sense that the solid fuel is prepared and processed on a modest scale. Quoting from a post by Mills, = The cell is sealed with 1 kg R-Ni support and less than 5 g NaOH dopant to form molecular NaH catalyst/H source with additional H from R-Ni in a regenerating cycle (see reactions in paper). The cell is heated with the external heaters until the hydrino reaction is initiated, then zero input power is required. Figure 21 shows that the power is turned off shortly afterwards, but we currently turn it off at the pint of the initiation of the reaction in current demonstrations. The temperature rise is then very dramatic, 85.5°C to 518°C in 35 s, compared to that previously caused by the 800 W input. Following the experiment, helium is introduced to the vacuum vessel containing the cell to increase the heat transfer rate. Helium is very effective at transferring the energy released to the coolant. We have performed tests that show that the energy is released during the temperature excursion. Then, the measured energy release of 753.1 kJ divided by the time duration of the temperature rise during the exothermic event, 35 s, gives nominally 21.5 kW. Based on tests of the system response, the time constant for the temperature to rise is much greater than the reaction time constant, and the actual power is conservatively 50 kW. = The significant task remaining is to automate the process of preparation and reconstitution of the fuel. Since conventional chemistry is involved, it is in principle doable, but doing may require clever engineering and iterations to get it right. Typically such projects are far more costly than one might think. With time it will get easier and then ordinary and miniaturized for the proverbial water heater and lawnmower. Intermediate steps may include service station hydrogen generators for modified gasoline cars, high capacity battery chargers for BLP-battery vehicles, etc. Mike Carrell - Original Message - From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:47 AM Subject: [Vo]:Another BLP PR blurb, this one with a photo Another in an endless series of BLP PR aftershocks: See: http://www.dosci.org/energy/thermal-power-generator-to-revolutionize-the-world/ or http://tinyurl.com/5zhlta This brief post comes with a photograph of what looks like a generating facility. No caption. No description of what the photograph depicts. I assume the photo is nothing more than stock footage slapped up showing of a typical generator that may reside at a utility plant and has absolutely nothing to do with an actual alleged BLP prototype that may be in the process of being assembled. But if someone wishes to correct me, I'm all ears! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T. Department.
Re: [Vo]:Another BLP PR blurb, this one with a photo
From Mr. Carrell: The significant task remaining is to automate the process of preparation and reconstitution of the fuel. Since conventional chemistry is involved, it is in principle doable, but doing may require clever engineering and iterations to get it right. Typically such projects are far more costly than one might think. The engineering challenges as described by Mr. Carrell seem entirely realistic, and more importantly, doable from my POV. I have every faith that we simians are up to the challenge. Shoot! We've been to the Moon in back. It is one of the reasons I continue to suspect BLP may very well have finally skinned the rabbit despite PZ's strategically applied skepticism. However, and here's the catch, the development challenges BLP is about to embark on concern me deeply. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they concern me gravely. BLP claims that they anticipate having a prototype operational possibly before the end of 2010. Every instinctual fiber within my body tells me that this timetable will very likely turn out to be unrealistic at practically every corner they encounter. As Mr. Carrell has eluded, no one has ever attempted to manipulate this particular arrangement of chemistry in the fashion required - to make the BLP process self-regenerative. I gather there has never been a NEED to study and subsequently manipulate the chemistry in the manner required - until now. There's going to be a lot of learning and unavoidable mistakes made as engineers gain experience - painfully, slowly, one step at a time. I hope the difficulty of the challenges ahead have been made clear to BLP's key investors. I hope they have the capacity to appreciate how difficult (and potentially expensive) the initial challenge is likely to be. My fear is that key investors may begin to lose heart and begin withholding essential funding. I hope my concerns are mostly irrational and overblown. With time it will get easier and then ordinary and miniaturized for the proverbial water heater and lawnmower. Intermediate steps may include service station hydrogen generators for modified gasoline cars, high capacity battery chargers for BLP- battery vehicles, etc. Mike Carrell There is so much irony in the development cycle. It starts out outrageously expensive and typically well over budget the first time around. Eventually it's outsourced to China and Malaysia. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Another BLP PR blurb, this one with a photo
- Original Message - From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip The engineering challenges as described by Mr. Carrell seem entirely realistic, and more importantly, doable from my POV. I have every faith that we simians are up to the challenge. Shoot! We've been to the Moon in back. It is one of the reasons I continue to suspect BLP may very well have finally skinned the rabbit despite PZ's strategically applied skepticism. However, and here's the catch, the development challenges BLP is about to embark on concern me deeply. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they concern me gravely. BLP claims that they anticipate having a prototype operational possibly before the end of 2010. Every instinctual fiber within my body tells me that this timetable will very likely turn out to be unrealistic at practically every corner they encounter. As Mr. Carrell has eluded, no one has ever attempted to manipulate this particular arrangement of chemistry in the fashion required - to make the BLP process self-regenerative. I gather there has never been a NEED to study and subsequently manipulate the chemistry in the manner required - until now. There's going to be a lot of learning and unavoidable mistakes made as engineers gain experience - painfully, slowly, one step at a time. I hope the difficulty of the challenges ahead have been made clear to BLP's key investors. I hope they have the capacity to appreciate how difficult (and potentially expensive) the initial challenge is likely to be. My fear is that key investors may begin to lose heart and begin withholding essential funding. I hope my concerns are mostly irrational and overblown. No, Steven, your concerns are not irrational and overblown, for I have been saying essentially the same thing for some years, that the really tough part of the journey is ahead. In my corporate years I was in a Manufacturing Technology Lab, bridging between a world class research laboratory and the manufacturing plants. I have viewed close up three startups done by competent people using mostly familiar technology whose cost ran in the hundreds of millions back when that was real money. I have no close-up insight on the staff of BLP as to what they have actually done. I have no direct insight into just what is going on behind the curtain, but there is a lot of cheerful noise. BLP intends to hire a world class AE firm to build a utility-class power plant. Such firms have in-depth engineering staffs used to large one-of projects. They can hire squads of consultants. The turbines, heat exchangers, are all catalog stuff. Large scale electrolysis units are also probably catalog stuff. The new part is the reaction chamber and the reconstitution process necessary to get an essentially continuous burn. I would expect several interation of this, working up to a megawatt power level. Then they can start selling power to the NJ PSEG grid and harvesting hydrino hydrides for chemical development. When that can run stably for weeks, design can begin on the next, more efficient iteration. BLP will then be drowning in money as the realization spreads that here is solution to carbon footprints,. etc. and etc. I don't think anyone will lose heart despite transitional problems. Mike Carrell
