Re: [Vo]:Another slant on hole superconductivity

2016-08-12 Thread Bob Cook
Regarding Axil's comment, I consider that SPP,s would be a better bet for 
creation of high energy electrons and Brem


The collapse would also create energetic electrons and Brem...


The light speed at the surface of the medium supporting the SPP's would 
important in the creation of Brem...   The higher the refractive index the more 
Brem... one should expect.


Bob Cook


PS:  This is more like a traditional Vortex blog subject.


FRC


From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net>
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 6:39 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Another slant on hole superconductivity


One of the leading experts on HTSC is the controversial hands-on theorist Joe 
Eck. In his latest installment, Eck adds to his emerging theory – called the 
Periodic Compression Theory…

http://www.superconductors.org/AEOHTSC.htm

Eck’s theory asserts that metals of disparate weights but identical oxidation 
states will produce superconductivity when positioned on opposite sides of an 
oxygen atom. Periodic compression from lattice vibrations causes the balance of 
valence to shift, creating a HOLE at the oxygen site. The positively-charged 
ion then facilitates the pairing of electrons in the hole, producing 
superconductivity via the Cooper pair.

END

Comment: Ironically, it can be observed that heat causes the vibration which 
causes the hole which causes the electron pairing – so heat actually causes the 
superconductivity, in a way. The implication is that temperature control will 
always be needed in HTSC. Hopefully it can be as simple as fans.

PRIOR post on HTSC: It may be worth noting that “hole superconductivity” may 
end up being broader than Hirsch’s theory. For instance, Hirsch mentions “ring 
current” several times in his many papers, which is somewhat of a middle ground 
between electron and hole superconductivity. In fact, he tries to explain 
everything under one banner, but I have yet to find a coherently worded 
explanation which placates all the possibilities. [Eck’s theory could do that]

These views on room temperature superconductivity come together in LENR, at 
least at the low end of the temperature scale – and when aromatic catalysts are 
involved. They are probably not relevant to Parkhomov or high temperatures.

This is particularly interesting to me since phenanthrene has been mentioned by 
Hirsch and others in the context of both ring current and hole 
superconductivity. However, I agree with Mark that Bremsstrahlung is unlikely 
from either type and would be self-quenching. Nevertheless, moderately fast 
electrons are possible so long as high temperature is avoided.

Moreover, the advent and maintenance of RTSC (localized as ring current) would 
serve to explain why some types of LENR are difficult to pull off at the low 
end of the temperature scale (such as in Craven’s NI-Week demo). The experiment 
must find the narrow region of temperature where a localized Meissner effect 
can coexist with optimized proton exchange and H3+ formation. This range 
probably peaks about 100° but finding it could be more meaningful than the high 
temperatures of the Parkhomov experiment, since self-sustaining heat is 
possible.

From: Mark Jurich

The radiation extends above 0.511 MeV in Trace #7 and this doesn't seem to fit 
with Hirsch's Theory (i.e., Hole Superconductivity as described in DOI: 
10.1088/0953-8984/19/12/125217 ).  Perhaps if the electrons were heavy 
(dressed) it could be valid.  I would need to take a closer look.

Also, I don't see Hirsch justifying Brems during creation of HSC, but a peak @ 
0.511 MeV.

... I'm just glancing over things right now, so I may chime back.

- Mark Jurich

-- Original Message --

From: "Axil Axil"

The x-radiation seen in the MFMP experiment called the "seventh segment signal" 
may have been caused by the initiation of "hole superconductivity" when the 
meissner effect expels electrons from the center of the superconducting 
material thereby producing x-rays through Bremsstrahlung. Also when the Hole 
superconductor is quenched, the same process produces electron collapse into 
the center of the dying superconductor also producing Bremsstrahlung.


[Vo]:Another slant on hole superconductivity

2016-08-12 Thread Jones Beene
One of the leading experts on HTSC is the controversial hands-on theorist
Joe Eck. In his latest installment, Eck adds to his emerging theory – called
the Periodic Compression Theory…

http://www.superconductors.org/AEOHTSC.htm 

Eck’s theory asserts that metals of disparate weights but identical
oxidation states will produce superconductivity when positioned on opposite
sides of an oxygen atom. Periodic compression from lattice vibrations causes
the balance of valence to shift, creating a HOLE at the oxygen site. The
positively-charged ion then facilitates the pairing of electrons in the
hole, producing superconductivity via the Cooper pair. 
END

Comment: Ironically, it can be observed that heat causes the vibration which
causes the hole which causes the electron pairing – so heat actually causes
the superconductivity, in a way. The implication is that temperature control
will always be needed in HTSC. Hopefully it can be as simple as fans.

PRIOR post on HTSC: It may be worth noting that “hole superconductivity” may
end up being broader than Hirsch’s theory. For instance, Hirsch mentions
“ring current” several times in his many papers, which is somewhat of a
middle ground between electron and hole superconductivity. In fact, he tries
to explain everything under one banner, but I have yet to find a coherently
worded explanation which placates all the possibilities. [Eck’s theory could
do that]

These views on room temperature superconductivity come together in LENR, at
least at the low end of the temperature scale – and when aromatic catalysts
are involved. They are probably not relevant to Parkhomov or high
temperatures.

This is particularly interesting to me since phenanthrene has been mentioned
by Hirsch and others in the context of both ring current and hole
superconductivity. However, I agree with Mark that Bremsstrahlung is
unlikely from either type and would be self-quenching. Nevertheless,
moderately fast electrons are possible so long as high temperature is
avoided. 

Moreover, the advent and maintenance of RTSC (localized as ring current)
would serve to explain why some types of LENR are difficult to pull off at
the low end of the temperature scale (such as in Craven’s NI-Week demo). The
experiment must find the narrow region of temperature where a localized
Meissner effect can coexist with optimized proton exchange and H3+
formation. This range probably peaks about 100° but finding it could be more
meaningful than the high temperatures of the Parkhomov experiment, since
self-sustaining heat is possible. 

From: Mark Jurich 

The radiation extends above 0.511 MeV in Trace #7 and this doesn't seem to
fit with Hirsch's Theory (i.e., Hole Superconductivity as described in DOI:
10.1088/0953-8984/19/12/125217 ).  Perhaps if the electrons were heavy
(dressed) it could be valid.  I would need to take a closer look.

Also, I don't see Hirsch justifying Brems during creation of HSC, but a peak
@ 0.511 MeV.

... I'm just glancing over things right now, so I may chime back.

- Mark Jurich

-- Original Message --
From: "Axil Axil" 

The x-radiation seen in the MFMP experiment called the "seventh segment
signal" may have been caused by the initiation of "hole superconductivity"
when the meissner effect expels electrons from the center of the
superconducting material thereby producing x-rays through Bremsstrahlung.
Also when the Hole superconductor is quenched, the same process produces
electron collapse into the center of the dying superconductor also producing
Bremsstrahlung.