Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-04-09 Thread Jojo Jaro
Chung sez: IF this system is able to remove the three usual weaknesses of the majority of the pre-Rossi LENR systems i.e. low intensity, bad reproducibility and short duration. Peter Systems ok. Weakness only by operator. Easy. 10 Plate Heat Exchanger SS304 Copper Brazed 7.5 x 2.9 from

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-04-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I must disagree on this point. Screwdrivers, guitars and cars are not patented, but money is made off of them. Well, many new patents are so filed for cars, such as Toyotas patents for the hybrid design. Cold fusion is complex technology. I expect

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-04-03 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 20:07 Dienstag, 3.April 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves Cold fusion is complex technology. ... No, not so complex, as some protagonists say. Eg Godes

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-04-02 Thread James Bowery
If you can figure out why money is going down this rat-hole: http://costofwar.com/en/ at a rate of $14 million per hour, perhaps can start to understand the true dimensions of the mystery. On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.comwrote: this interview with

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-04-02 Thread Robert McKay
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 08:05:48 -0500, James Bowery wrote: So what do you guys think? Why has Brillouin such difficulties to collect 6 million? Maybe the vortex-crowd should put their money where their mouth is, and invest. (suppressing my Homerian laughter.) As long as LENR can't be patented

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-04-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 9:05 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: If you can figure out why money is going down this rat-hole: In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-04-02 Thread James Bowery
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Robert McKay rob...@mckay.com wrote: As long as LENR can't be patented there is no way for it to be really profitable. Not true. Not all countries ban LENR patents. Even one country would be more than enough to make the return on investment mind-blowing.

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-04-02 Thread James Bowery
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 9:05 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: If you can figure out why money is going down this rat-hole: ...*Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry* can compel the proper meshing of the

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-04-02 Thread Alain Sepeda
like in computer science in the old time, you can make much cash on an innovative domain without patent. there is many things to innovate in LENR. if there is no protection, you will be copied in in a few semesters, but you can make cash. then you innovate for next semester. maybe is it the idea

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-04-02 Thread Eric Walker
As long as LENR can't be patented there is no way for it to be really profitable. Three weeks after someone comes out with a working device the e-cat will be out of the bag and you'll have dealextreme.com selling disposable LENR devices for $10.00 inc delivery. While I'm sure a few million

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-04-01 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
this interview with Robert George and Robert E. Godes from Brillouin made me scratch my head: http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/audio/2012-03-27-Robert-E-Godes.mp3 the essentials. a) Godes/George basically state that they have their technology ready, has only to be taylored

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread Peter Gluck
I hope that Mike MKcKubre who is a realist will let us know IF this system is able to remove the three usual weaknesses of the majority of the pre-Rossi LENR systems i.e. low intensity, bad reproducibility and short duration. Peter On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread Te Chung
Gluck, IF this system is able to remove the three usual weaknesses of the majority of the pre-Rossi LENR systems i.e. low intensity, bad reproducibility and short duration. Peter Systems ok. Weakness only by operator. Easy. 10 Plate Heat Exchanger SS304 Copper Brazed 7.5 x 2.9 from

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread Robert Lynn
The updated Brillouin hypothesis for how the reaction works, interesting reading. Note that they do comment on the reaction reaching a run-away state when the lattice is heavily loaded that overwhelms the local capacity to absorb the energy and results in the release of some neutrons and x-rays -

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread pagnucco
Brillouin's website and the paper describing their theory at - http://www.brillouinenergy.com http://www.brillouinenergy.com/BrillouinEnergyHypothesis.pdf gives more details. I believe that a number of metal alloys are used for hydrogen storage. It makes sense that they do not limit materials to

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: Things change. They're [oil companies] going to have to adapt, and if they do, they can come out ahead. There is not much profit to be made for cold fusion fuel, but they can produce the reactors instead. Oil companies have no expertise in

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread David Roberson
. Dave -Original Message- From: pagnucco pagnu...@htdconnect.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Mar 30, 2012 2:49 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves Brillouin's website and the paper describing their theory at - ttp://www.brillouinenergy.com ttp

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I hope that they are real and capable of designing useful devices. Did I misunderstand the report and graph which suggested that they are getting heat output that is only double the input electrical power? Yes. I believe that report is out of date and

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread Jarold McWilliams
The world can't run on oil forever, and hopefully it is not going to much longer. Companies like Exxon are going to have to adapt or die. Would you rather the world run on obsolete technologies like sailing ships and steam locomotives just so we can have jobs or a company doesn't go under?

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: The world can't run on oil forever, and hopefully it is not going to much longer. Companies like Exxon are going to have to adapt or die. Of course. And based on the history of business, I predict they will die. Would you rather the world run

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread Jarold McWilliams
The individuals employed there will be fine. Their energy expenses will be cut by about 10 x. Every item they buy will cost about a 1/4 of what it does now. The way we should reduce unemployment if rossi or defkalion really do have something is to shorten the work week. There is no reason

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-30 Thread Harry Veeder
There is also no shortage of things that need doing. There is just a maldistribution of income. Harry On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: The individuals employed there will be fine.  Their energy expenses will be cut by about 10 x.  Every item they

[Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-29 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Next Big Future: (This may have already been reported here.) http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/03/brillioun-energy-closing-to.html * * * * Brillouin Energy has been able to develop a control system that allows a reaction to start and stop, and run in a steady state mode. In April, they will

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Next Big Future reported: In April, they will be working with Mike McKubre of SRI International to run a reactor at a higher temperature. Whoa. If Mike is involved we better start taking this seriously. I better read up on these people. I have been saying for some time that Defkalion and

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:07 AM 3/29/2012, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: The comment about the patent office not being permitted to grant patents in the cold fusion field is still galling. Sure. However, not being permitted has a lost performative. By whom? The patent office position was always officially

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:27 PM 3/29/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: I don't consider that fully established yet. If McKubre replicates, darn tootin' it's real. He doesn't mess around. Yup. I believe in the first phase he is going to

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: When Rossi bailed from all agreements to allow more independent replication, that's when the alarms got really loud.) I think you exaggerate. I am not alarmed. I don't think so. If I were CEO of a fossil fuel company, I'd want to get my

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-29 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.google.com/patents?id=nWbjAQAAEBAJpg=PA2source=gbs_selected_pagescad=2#v=onepageqf=false Energy Generation Apparatus and Method This patent application explains the mechanism for the H/Ni LENR reaction. This system is a pressurized water system that uses a unique electrical pulse

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-29 Thread Jarold McWilliams
Things change. They're going to have to adapt, and if they do, they can come out ahead. There is not much profit to be made for cold fusion fuel, but they can produce the reactors instead. Maybe they can take a large part of the transportation sector with cold fusion as the power source.

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: I don't consider that fully established yet. If McKubre replicates, darn tootin' it's real. He doesn't mess around. Yup. I believe in the first phase he is going to measure the reaction in their equipment, rather than replicate from scratch.

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves

2012-03-29 Thread pagnucco
Thanks for posting this, Axil, Brillouin's patent application claims that energy is derived from electron capture by protons, as does Widom-Larsen theory. I have only had time to quickly peruse it, but I did not see an explanation for the missing gamma-rays. Perhaps, I missed it, or