Re: [Vo]:CNN.COM: Bush pushes Saudis for help with rising oil prices

2008-01-17 Thread thomas malloy
Edmund Storms wrote: Besides the price will naturally drop soon as the American economy slides into depression. Why take a hit sooner than is necessary? Besides, Bush is no longer useful in getting American aid. In this game of poker, Bush has now lost every hand and has no idea how to play

Re: [Vo]:CNN.COM: Bush pushes Saudis for help with rising oil prices

2008-01-17 Thread thomas malloy
Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: Because the oil companies are so rich and powerfull all over the world and because an effective alternate energy source would be so financially disruptive to every industry at first, a great effort will be made to resist any rapid change. In the

Re: [Vo]:CNN.COM: Bush pushes Saudis for help with rising oil prices

2008-01-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
[Here is a message from Ed that went astray, thanks to my strange on-line mail server.] Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: 2. To discourage the development of alternative energy source. ...snip... ... suppose Ford and GM will survive? They will gone as quickly as Data General and DEC

[Vo]:CNN.COM: Bush pushes Saudis for help with rising oil prices

2008-01-15 Thread OrionWorks
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/15/bush.mideast/index.html http://tinyurl.com/23yc5c I'm glad someone in the oval office is asking the important questions. Can't you just pump some more oil out of the ground for us - for faster, more quicker? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson

Re: [Vo]:CNN.COM: Bush pushes Saudis for help with rising oil prices

2008-01-15 Thread Edmund Storms
Well Steven, if you had the oil, would you agree to take less money for your dwindling resource just because Bush asked? After all, this would mean you would also get less selling to China, a country that now has the money to pay your price. Or would you rather keep the price high to make more

Re: [Vo]:CNN.COM: Bush pushes Saudis for help with rising oil prices

2008-01-15 Thread OrionWorks
My, my, Ed, you're *are* the cynic, aren't you! I'm hoping we elect a more gooder regime next November, at least a new gang of criminals that will have the sense to avoid the temptation of getting our country involved in additional regime changes. It would be much safer for the world if we could

Re: [Vo]:CNN.COM: Bush pushes Saudis for help with rising oil prices

2008-01-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: Well Steven, if you had the oil, would you agree to take less money for your dwindling resource just because Bush asked? No, but throughout its history, OPEC has been careful to keep the price reasonably low, for two reasons: 1. To keep from hurting the U.S. economy,

Re: [Vo]:CNN.COM: Bush pushes Saudis for help with rising oil prices

2008-01-15 Thread Taylor J. Smith
Edmund Storms wrote: Well Steven, if you had the oil, would you agree to take less money for your dwindling resource just because Bush asked? OrionWorks wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/15/bush.mideast/index.html http://tinyurl.com/23yc5c I'm glad someone in the oval office

Re: [Vo]:CNN.COM: Bush pushes Saudis for help with rising oil prices

2008-01-15 Thread OrionWorks
Jed sez: ... Besides the price will naturally drop soon as the American economy slides into depression. Why take a hit sooner than is necessary? A U.S. depression is what they are trying to avoid. That's why they would be wise to do what Bush suggests. They should also pump the stuff and

Re: [Vo]:CNN.COM: Bush pushes Saudis for help with rising oil prices

2008-01-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks wrote: Continuing my own cynical rant I'd like to mention that the Kiplinger Letter, a conservative think tank, recently commented on the fact that most OPEC heads do not want their prices to skyrocket either. This has been their policy from day one, as I said. It is common

Re: [Vo]:CNN.COM: Bush pushes Saudis for help with rising oil prices

2008-01-15 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to OrionWorks's message of Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:42:34 -0600: Hi, [snip] Had AE research started twenty years ago and continued unabated we probably wouldn't be having this insane conversation now. [snip] I can't think of any time in the last 40 years that this sort of research hasn't been

Re: [Vo]:CNN.COM: Bush pushes Saudis for help with rising oil prices

2008-01-15 Thread Edmund Storms
OrionWorks wrote: My, my, Ed, you're *are* the cynic, aren't you! I prefer the term realist. :-) A realist is a cynic who was proven right. I'm hoping we elect a more gooder regime next November, at least a new gang of criminals that will have the sense to avoid the temptation of getting

Re: [Vo]:CNN.COM: Bush pushes Saudis for help with rising oil prices

2008-01-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Had AE research started twenty years ago and continued unabated we probably wouldn't be having this insane conversation now. [snip] I can't think of any time in the last 40 years that this sort of research hasn't been ongoing. It has just taken a long time to get to

Re: [Vo]:CNN.COM: Bush pushes Saudis for help with rising oil prices

2008-01-15 Thread Edmund Storms
Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: Well Steven, if you had the oil, would you agree to take less money for your dwindling resource just because Bush asked? No, but throughout its history, OPEC has been careful to keep the price reasonably low, for two reasons: 1. To keep from

Re: [Vo]:CNN.COM: Bush pushes Saudis for help with rising oil prices

2008-01-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
[Please respond to Vortex!] Edmund Storms wrote: 2. To discourage the development of alternative energy source. See the book The Prize for details. Yes, these are the arguments of the past. The question is do they still apply. No, they do not, because there is now a permanent, worldwide