Re: [Vo]:Centre for the Study of Existential Risk
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: CSER is being launched at Cambridge University to protect us from Skynet: And now we have reassurance from the Pentagon: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/11/human-robot-kill The Pentagon wants to make perfectly clear that every time one of its flying robots releases its lethal payload, it’s the result of a decision made by an accountable human being in a lawful chain of command. Human rights groups and nervous citizens fear that technological advances in autonomy will slowly lead to the day when robots make that critical decision for themselves. But according to a new policy directive issued by a top Pentagon official, there shall be no SkyNet, thank you very much. more I feel reassured, do you?
Re: [Vo]:Centre for the Study of Existential Risk
between the demographic fears, debunked since decades (sorry, after 9 billion, humanity will reduce), the gibbs like it might be wrongly done or use, so just don't do it, the various fear about healt,, environment... and those existential fears tha get up to DoD or UNO, with debunked fear or SciFi... I think we (in occident ) have a problem... a mental problem... It starts to destroy more than it saves, to waste resources instead os saving, to kill instead of cure. Maybe also like many I forgot that humanity have been more stupid earlier... Hope so. We have old societal mental diseases (malthusianism, apocalipticalism, neo-animism, hypocondry) but now they are global. it remind me an article about post-modernism. it determine the kind of religion Archaic culture is feeling that human is controlled by the nature, and suffer from it... Religion is based on obeying nature, or lords... Modern culture is feeling that humans can control the nature. parapsychology develop as a symptom of self-confidence. post-modern culture feel so powerful that it is afraid to hurt the nature...Culpabilist animism develops. Hope LENR can make us more positive. 2012/11/27 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: CSER is being launched at Cambridge University to protect us from Skynet: And now we have reassurance from the Pentagon: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/11/human-robot-kill The Pentagon wants to make perfectly clear that every time one of its flying robots releases its lethal payload, it’s the result of a decision made by an accountable human being in a lawful chain of command. Human rights groups and nervous citizens fear that technological advances in autonomy will slowly lead to the day when robots make that critical decision for themselves. But according to a new policy directive issued by a top Pentagon official, there shall be no SkyNet, thank you very much. more I feel reassured, do you?
Re: [Vo]:Centre for the Study of Existential Risk
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: the gibbs like it might be wrongly done or use, so just don't do it You should read what I write more carefully: I didn't say CF/LENR shouldn't be used but that possible unintended consequences should be considered. [mg]
Re: [Vo]:Centre for the Study of Existential Risk
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: You should read what I write more carefully: I didn't say CF/LENR shouldn't be used but that possible unintended consequences should be considered. That seems sensible to me. Perhaps you should write about some of the unintended benefits. We can avoid unintended problems by anticipating them. The article raised the issue of lax regulations in third world countries. Even countries such as India and China now have sophisticated anti-pollution laws. Their cars are much cleaner than U.S. cars were in 1960. So, even poor countries will abide by sensible environmental regulations, if potential problems are explained clearly, and if cost-effective ways to avoid problems are engineered into the system from the start. As I pointed out, it is easy to keep tritium or any other radioactive materials sealed in a cold fusion cell. Tritium today is safely sealed in emergency exit signs, in a higher concentration than it is likely to be found in a cold fusion cell. The cell can be recycled in a sophisticated factory where the tritium is captured. India has thousands of state-of-the-art factories. I saw them lined up for miles along the highway going out of Chenai. Every major Japanese and European company has assembly plants. It would take only a dozen or so factories to recycle every cold fusion device in the country, assuming the devices last 10 years. The country can easily afford that. Furthermore, there is not likely to be any economic benefit to opening up the cells and recycling them manually, the way the Chinese recycle computers. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Centre for the Study of Existential Risk
Ok, I exaggerate, it is a litte a strawman rhetoric... sorry. I'm inspired by less subtiles fearmonger on any subject that reach the media and even the politicians... managing risk is ok, but we should not forget the gain, to avoid the drawbacks... people forget a little that today situation is not so nice, that some people dies of lack of many things, and much more than of pollution, of catastrophe, of technological accident... fighting drawback , pollution, risk, is mostly no-regret, but today there is a tendency to avoid any progress because of unvalidated fears... protection principle is good, watring principle too, precaution no. a better approache, beside avoiding know risk, and solving know problems, is to learn so you can react to the unexpected, instead of trying to anticipate all... which does not work... On some place I've heard that LENr could destroy the atmosphere by destroying oxygen... fear of robots invasion too is crazy, while I feel more rational to observe adults and kids, and see how dependent we are, and how it change our approach to problem solving, making us powerful but also weak... mobile phone don't kill by wave, but by stealing our brain on the road... We have enoug real risk and proble, not to prepare for all. LENR like gas might be dangerous (because of hydrogen, of heat, of steam)... It remind me a nuclear waste storage where they focus so strongly on radiation, than they forget that some chemicals were simply toxic, even dead cold. In Grenoble zone I've discussed with local safety expert, and she said me that old factories were nearly ignored by safety, while new one where over regulated, and nuke above all... today risk management seems crazy, and focused on the fear of new things, of technology, and not on old or natural things. LENR I agree, will probably cause strange effects... some good, some bad, many funny or crazy... let us prepare to adapt, we are programmed to. sorry for that bad mood, I'm a bit fed up by our state of permanent fear... 2012/11/27 Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: the gibbs like it might be wrongly done or use, so just don't do it You should read what I write more carefully: I didn't say CF/LENR shouldn't be used but that possible unintended consequences should be considered. [mg]
Re: [Vo]:Centre for the Study of Existential Risk
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: sorry for that bad mood, I'm a bit fed up by our state of permanent fear... Recommended reading for you: http://www.amazon.com/State-Fear-Michael-Crichton/dp/0061782661
[Vo]:Centre for the Study of Existential Risk
CSER is being launched at Cambridge University to protect us from Skynet: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2238152/Cambridge-University-open-Terminator-centre-study-threat-humans-artificial-intelligence.html And rightly so considering the latest advances in Deep Thought (aka deep learning): http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/24/science/scientists-see-advances-in-deep-learning-a-part-of-artificial-intelligence.html
Re: [Vo]:Centre for the Study of Existential Risk
The problem isn't a threat from artificial intelligence -- it is, and has always been -- from natural intelligence. The robocalypse will be controlled by malign natural intelligence. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: CSER is being launched at Cambridge University to protect us from Skynet: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2238152/Cambridge-University-open-Terminator-centre-study-threat-humans-artificial-intelligence.html And rightly so considering the latest advances in Deep Thought (aka deep learning): http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/24/science/scientists-see-advances-in-deep-learning-a-part-of-artificial-intelligence.html
Re: [Vo]:Centre for the Study of Existential Risk
I love the name of this organization. It sounds like it should have something to do with existential philosophy. Centre is so very British cosmopolitan - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Centre for the Study of Existential Risk
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I love the name of this organization. It sounds like it should have something to do with existential philosophy. Centre is so very British cosmopolitan And it will be called Caesar or Seize Her!
