Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: 2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf http://www.defkalion-energy.**com/forum/download/file.php?**id=23http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 These slides from Defkalion are very informative. Thank you Alan and Akira. I am looking forward to reading the other materials. Concerning the question of spark plugs, this from p. 15 of the slides: At first, we introduced the Plasma Ignition Method (DC pulsed at 24KV/22mA at some KHz) to produce glow discharges in a high pressure (2-8bar) Hydrogen envelope, by use of special shaped designed Tungsten and TZM electrodes, to get all the above. So they are (were?) using glow discharge. Someone here will know whether the electrodes count as spark plugs, although the point is probably moot now that we know what they were doing with them. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
At this juncture, it is near impossible to tell what the exact nuclear mechanism is at play in the DGT reaction. The Piantelli based compound neutron mechanism has no support that I can see and is just a guess. Even the details of Rydberg matter mechanism is a guess, The matter could be potassium or calcium or both with the addition of hydrogen. The tools are not there yet to tell for sure. But what is likely happening is electron screening of the positive nuclear coulomb barrier which is true in all other LENR reactions. Cheers: Axil On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Potassium and zirconium. Magic sauce! As expected. T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
What is happening now is that for the first time the products of the reaction(s) and their variation as a function of time and of other parameters can be analysed systematically. There are real possibilities to discover what happens, and a lot of unexpected things happen. It is not a simple system made of only nickel and hydrogen. Peter On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At this juncture, it is near impossible to tell what the exact nuclear mechanism is at play in the DGT reaction. The Piantelli based compound neutron mechanism has no support that I can see and is just a guess. Even the details of Rydberg matter mechanism is a guess, The matter could be potassium or calcium or both with the addition of hydrogen. The tools are not there yet to tell for sure. But what is likely happening is electron screening of the positive nuclear coulomb barrier which is true in all other LENR reactions. Cheers: Axil On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Potassium and zirconium. Magic sauce! As expected. T -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
Take note: *We use several layers of “agents”, coated around a Si-Al ceramic surface surrounding the nickel foam, to help RSH atoms to survive this journey. Some of these agents are ZnO, MgO and ZrO2.* They don't say what all the agents are. On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: What is happening now is that for the first time the products of the reaction(s) and their variation as a function of time and of other parameters can be analysed systematically. There are real possibilities to discover what happens, and a lot of unexpected things happen. It is not a simple system made of only nickel and hydrogen. Peter On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At this juncture, it is near impossible to tell what the exact nuclear mechanism is at play in the DGT reaction. The Piantelli based compound neutron mechanism has no support that I can see and is just a guess. Even the details of Rydberg matter mechanism is a guess, The matter could be potassium or calcium or both with the addition of hydrogen. The tools are not there yet to tell for sure. But what is likely happening is electron screening of the positive nuclear coulomb barrier which is true in all other LENR reactions. Cheers: Axil On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Potassium and zirconium. Magic sauce! As expected. T -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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Being in their place, position, would you say what the agents are- exactly? By the way, who is greatest world authority in Rydberg Hydrogen? Peter On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Take note: *We use several layers of “agents”, coated around a Si-Al ceramic surface surrounding the nickel foam, to help RSH atoms to survive this journey. Some of these agents are ZnO, MgO and ZrO2.* They don't say what all the agents are. On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.comwrote: What is happening now is that for the first time the products of the reaction(s) and their variation as a function of time and of other parameters can be analysed systematically. There are real possibilities to discover what happens, and a lot of unexpected things happen. It is not a simple system made of only nickel and hydrogen. Peter On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At this juncture, it is near impossible to tell what the exact nuclear mechanism is at play in the DGT reaction. The Piantelli based compound neutron mechanism has no support that I can see and is just a guess. Even the details of Rydberg matter mechanism is a guess, The matter could be potassium or calcium or both with the addition of hydrogen. The tools are not there yet to tell for sure. But what is likely happening is electron screening of the positive nuclear coulomb barrier which is true in all other LENR reactions. Cheers: Axil On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.comwrote: Potassium and zirconium. Magic sauce! As expected. T -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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Dear Peter you are naughty. For one who adheres to EGO OUT, you temp me sorely. Cheers: Axil On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Being in their place, position, would you say what the agents are- exactly? By the way, who is greatest world authority in Rydberg Hydrogen? Peter On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Take note: *We use several layers of “agents”, coated around a Si-Al ceramic surface surrounding the nickel foam, to help RSH atoms to survive this journey. Some of these agents are ZnO, MgO and ZrO2.* They don't say what all the agents are. On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.comwrote: What is happening now is that for the first time the products of the reaction(s) and their variation as a function of time and of other parameters can be analysed systematically. There are real possibilities to discover what happens, and a lot of unexpected things happen. It is not a simple system made of only nickel and hydrogen. Peter On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At this juncture, it is near impossible to tell what the exact nuclear mechanism is at play in the DGT reaction. The Piantelli based compound neutron mechanism has no support that I can see and is just a guess. Even the details of Rydberg matter mechanism is a guess, The matter could be potassium or calcium or both with the addition of hydrogen. The tools are not there yet to tell for sure. But what is likely happening is electron screening of the positive nuclear coulomb barrier which is true in all other LENR reactions. Cheers: Axil On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.comwrote: Potassium and zirconium. Magic sauce! As expected. T -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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I am naughty and sleepy but please give a few details/proofs. You have told a lot about Rydberg atoms and I think you know it better than me. On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Peter you are naughty. For one who adheres to EGO OUT, you temp me sorely. Cheers: Axil On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.comwrote: Being in their place, position, would you say what the agents are- exactly? By the way, who is greatest world authority in Rydberg Hydrogen? Peter On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Take note: *We use several layers of “agents”, coated around a Si-Al ceramic surface surrounding the nickel foam, to help RSH atoms to survive this journey. Some of these agents are ZnO, MgO and ZrO2.* They don't say what all the agents are. On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.comwrote: What is happening now is that for the first time the products of the reaction(s) and their variation as a function of time and of other parameters can be analysed systematically. There are real possibilities to discover what happens, and a lot of unexpected things happen. It is not a simple system made of only nickel and hydrogen. Peter On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At this juncture, it is near impossible to tell what the exact nuclear mechanism is at play in the DGT reaction. The Piantelli based compound neutron mechanism has no support that I can see and is just a guess. Even the details of Rydberg matter mechanism is a guess, The matter could be potassium or calcium or both with the addition of hydrogen. The tools are not there yet to tell for sure. But what is likely happening is electron screening of the positive nuclear coulomb barrier which is true in all other LENR reactions. Cheers: Axil On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.comwrote: Potassium and zirconium. Magic sauce! As expected. T -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 - Rydberg H
At 03:11 PM 8/9/2012, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Thanks, I perused it, but I'm not sure how Defkalion incorporates this into their proposed theory. Does anyone have any insights? -- Lou Pagnucco So's paper: http://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid%3A53984973-1766-45cc-8bcf-055be714ed73/datastreams/THESIS01 Nothing directly, except from the introduction : It has been proposed that Rydberg atoms could be used for nanoscale pattern deposition on surfaces [6], especially as the spatial distribution of the Rydberg atoms could be controlled using low-intensity standing wave laser fields [6] or inhomogeneous electric fields [7, 8] and the fact that Rydberg H's are well-behaved (reproducible, and conform to theory) in the vicinity of a metal surface. Defkalion suggest that suitable magic elements in their Ni mix can guide the RSH's to the Active Nuclear Sites -- maybe by creating inhomogeneous electric fields. Papers 7,8 control the distance of Rydberg atoms from the surface, not their position parallel to the surface. [7] T. Breeden and H. Metcalf. Stark Acceleration of Rydberg Atoms in Inhomogeneous Electric Fields. Phys. Rev. Lett. 47, 1726 (1981). [8] E. Vliegen and F. Merkt, Phys. Rev. Lett., 97 (3), 033002 (2006). http://physics.aps.org/story/v18/st3 So also uses two lasers (VHF and UVHF) to set up the Rydberg states ... maybe related to Hagelstein's two-laser beat frequency stimulation. (Hagelstein wasn't the first to use this, but I just closed my browser window on one of his papers).
[Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
Hello group, This is from the official DGT forum: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17t=1288 Dear readers of this forum and friends, Defkalion GT presence at NI week 2012 has been recorded in the following youtube links: 1. Alex Xanthoulis in LENR panel discussion at http://youtu.be/0iKCLHxmISs 2. The technical presentation of DGT's Hyperions at (uploading in progress) 3. Please download this technical presentation in pdf (uploaded in this topic) as well as the summary of Defkalion's at NI week 2012. 4. An interesting introduction on Anomalous Heat Effects related technologies and science by Dr. Dunkan and Greg Morrow can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4HG9raN_2U whilst an interesting introduction to LENR, with reference to DGT's Hyperion products photo, can be viewed at President, and CEO, Dr. James Truchard's kicks off NIWeek 2012 at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxjxFdFEBsw. A presentation of DGT's technologies and progress, supported also by a scientific paper, has been scheduled for ICCF-17 in Korea. We will be back to discuss all these through this forum at August 20th, 2012 We wish you all happy summer vacations. Defkalion Green Technologies Unfortunately, even though I'm logged in, the DGT forum software says that: You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post. So I can't download the technical presentation in pdf. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
On 2012-08-09 19:33, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, Videos (direct links) Alex Xanthoulis in LENR panel discussion http://youtu.be/0iKCLHxmISs Technical presentation Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_BjWSuX3zE Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNclBoLgYP0 Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I2EO8YHJVQ Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
I didn't have any problem. But I am registered their forums. Maybe you need too? 2012/8/9 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com So I can't download the technical presentation in pdf. Cheers, S.A. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
On 2012-08-09 20:04, Daniel Rocha wrote: I didn't have any problem. But I am registered their forums. Maybe you need too? Could you upload the file somewhere? Google Docs, Dropbox, etc. Cheers, S.A.
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It seems they only have a vague idea about what happens. They need special conditions in the lattice, they didn't specify exactly what, they just called it NAE, like Storms do. And that transmutation happens. They did not claim any particular theory. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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I will send you. Then, you do it :) 2012/8/9 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com On 2012-08-09 20:04, Daniel Rocha wrote: I didn't have any problem. But I am registered their forums. Maybe you need too? Could you upload the file somewhere? Google Docs, Dropbox, etc. Cheers, S.A. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
1. Alex Xanthoulis in LENR panel discussion at http://youtu.be/0iKCLHxmISs At the very end he says that they ARE moving from Greece to Vancouver, Canada
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
In the presentation it says they open their offices next month. 2012/8/9 Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com At the very end he says that they ARE moving from Greece to Vancouver, Canada -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, even though I'm logged in, the DGT forum software says that: You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post. So I can't download the technical presentation in pdf. Same here and I've been a member since June of 2011. T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
Part I : audio accent is hard to follow, impossible to read the slides -- I guess it's in the unavailable PDF Showed SEM's of Nickel powder and foam. LENR happens in Active Nuclear Environment. Disguised or Masquerading proton -- Coulomb repulsion zero for a very short window Everything happens very quickly. Cascade of nuclear reactions with very short 1/2-life (Developing real-time mass spectrometer) End up with gamma, possibly absorbed by heavy electrons Needs a pulse from HI-voltage spark plugs. One burst of power from each pulse.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
At 11:34 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Part I : audio accent is hard to follow, impossible to read the slides -- I guess it's in the unavailable PDF Showed SEM's of Nickel powder and foam. LENR happens in Active Nuclear Environment. Disguised or Masquerading proton -- Coulomb repulsion zero for a very short window Everything happens very quickly. Cascade of nuclear reactions with very short 1/2-life (Developing real-time mass spectrometer) End up with gamma, possibly absorbed by heavy electrons Needs a pulse from HI-voltage spark plugs. One burst of power from each pulse. They just fixed the pdf links : 2012-08-08_NIWeek_Defkalion Summary_Defining a new source of energy-.pdf http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=24 2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
At 11:40 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: 2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 Reference 5 is to http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007 Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 165007 (2012) [5 pages] Novel Attractive Force between Ions in Quantum Plasmas P. K. Shukla1,2,* and B. Eliasson1, (PRL says that Abstracts are fully protected by copyrights).
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
At 12:33 PM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Reference 5 is to http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007 Full paper is at http://arxiv.org/abs/1112.5556
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
Here's a link to the pdf: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556v6.pdf On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 11:40 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: 2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 Reference 5 is to http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007 Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 165007 (2012) [5 pages] Novel Attractive Force between Ions in Quantum Plasmas P. K. Shuklahttp://publish.aps.org/search/field/author/P.%20K.%20Shukla 1,2,* and B. Eliassonhttp://publish.aps.org/search/field/author/B.%20Eliasson 1,† (PRL says that Abstracts are fully protected by copyrights).
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
At 12:40 PM 8/9/2012, Teslaalset wrote: Here's a link to the pdf: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556v6.pdf You beat me to it!
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 As with Rossi still no 3rd party validation but lots of very interesting information: As many have speculated Defkalion are using a plasma source of quite high power, 24kV, 22mA at several kHz (automotive level performance), TZM (molybdenum) and tungsten electrodes, 2-8bar Hydrogen with sparking to ignite reaction cycles many times per hour (on order of 6 minutes per cycle). On the order of 3-7kJ required to start a cycle. Electrode life is an issue. State that sparks create rydberg hydrogen atoms that then start the reaction. Nickel in non- face centred cubic crystals. No enrichment required but needs to be protected from spark kernels, using a nickel powder protected within a nickel foam. Some mix of ZnO, MgO and ZrO too. Lots of transmutations, and fusion of H to heavier elements, no gammas outside 50-300keV (pretty safe). 180-850°C in reactor, seems to be about 1kW output at present (92Wh out of a cycle, and about 10 cycles per hour). COP up to 22. On 9 August 2012 20:33, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 11:40 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: 2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 Reference 5 is to http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007 Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 165007 (2012) [5 pages] Novel Attractive Force between Ions in Quantum Plasmas P. K. Shuklahttp://publish.aps.org/search/field/author/P.%20K.%20Shukla 1,2,* and B. Eliassonhttp://publish.aps.org/search/field/author/B.%20Eliasson 1,† (PRL says that Abstracts are fully protected by copyrights).
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
I would imagine that anything coming close to those high temperature (thousands of degrees) singularities evaporating would take alot of wear and tear from both the heat and particles actually getting sucked into the singularity. The constant, Hawking radiation spectrum of emissions should over time create additional transmutations since all of the material within that chamber is being bombarded with radiation...my opinion, hope you are not sick of listening to it yet.. On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 As with Rossi still no 3rd party validation but lots of very interesting information: As many have speculated Defkalion are using a plasma source of quite high power, 24kV, 22mA at several kHz (automotive level performance), TZM (molybdenum) and tungsten electrodes, 2-8bar Hydrogen with sparking to ignite reaction cycles many times per hour (on order of 6 minutes per cycle). On the order of 3-7kJ required to start a cycle. Electrode life is an issue. State that sparks create rydberg hydrogen atoms that then start the reaction. Nickel in non- face centred cubic crystals. No enrichment required but needs to be protected from spark kernels, using a nickel powder protected within a nickel foam. Some mix of ZnO, MgO and ZrO too. Lots of transmutations, and fusion of H to heavier elements, no gammas outside 50-300keV (pretty safe). 180-850°C in reactor, seems to be about 1kW output at present (92Wh out of a cycle, and about 10 cycles per hour). COP up to 22. On 9 August 2012 20:33, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 11:40 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: 2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 Reference 5 is to http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007 Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 165007 (2012) [5 pages] Novel Attractive Force between Ions in Quantum Plasmas P. K. Shuklahttp://publish.aps.org/search/field/author/P.%20K.%20Shukla 1,2,* and B. Eliassonhttp://publish.aps.org/search/field/author/B.%20Eliasson 1,† (PRL says that Abstracts are fully protected by copyrights).
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
At 01:16 PM 8/9/2012, Robert Lynn wrote: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 I couldn't find the So paper (other than abstract) on the interaction between Rydberg H and metals, but here's a similar one which references him : http://iopscience.iop.org/0953-4075/45/1/015204/article/ Detection of electrons in the surface ionization of H Rydberg atoms and H2 Rydberg molecules
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So's paper: http://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid%3A53984973-1766-45cc-8bcf-055be714ed73/datastreams/THESIS01 On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 01:16 PM 8/9/2012, Robert Lynn wrote: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 I couldn't find the So paper (other than abstract) on the interaction between Rydberg H and metals, but here's a similar one which references him : http://iopscience.iop.org/0953-4075/45/1/015204/article/ Detection of electrons in the surface ionization of H Rydberg atoms and H2 Rydberg molecules
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Potassium and zirconium. Magic sauce! As expected. T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
Thanks, I perused it, but I'm not sure how Defkalion incorporates this into their proposed theory. Does anyone have any insights? -- Lou Pagnucco So's paper: http://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid%3A53984973-1766-45cc-8bcf-055be714ed73/datastreams/THESIS01 On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 01:16 PM 8/9/2012, Robert Lynn wrote: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 I couldn't find the So paper (other than abstract) on the interaction between Rydberg H and metals, but here's a similar one which references him : http://iopscience.iop.org/0953-4075/45/1/015204/article/ Detection of electrons in the surface ionization of H Rydberg atoms and H2 Rydberg molecules
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
I do not see any mention of radiation/ionization products like gammas, x-ray, etc. They do mention UV laser bombardment. Trying to make sure my theory still holds... DGT still made out that they did not understand the complexities of their Rx I perused it, but I'm not sure how Defkalion incorporates this into their proposed theory. Does anyone have any insights? -- Lou Pagnucco So's paper: http://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid%3A53984973-1766-45cc-8bcf-055be714ed73/datastreams/THESIS01 On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 01:16 PM 8/9/2012, Robert Lynn wrote: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 I couldn't find the So paper (other than abstract) on the interaction between Rydberg H and metals, but here's a similar one which references him : http://iopscience.iop.org/0953-4075/45/1/015204/article/ Detection of electrons in the surface ionization of H Rydberg atoms and H2 Rydberg molecules
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DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion occurred. Does this match quantum physics theory? I thought that there is no way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere within its orbital all of the time. Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description. The other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism. I bet on the later. It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is important for the device operation just as I have suspected. Dave
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Think of a big lightning ball floating inside that reactor creating ionizing radiation and lots of heat. I would think you would want to keep it away from the walls of your reactor and maybe spark plug/instruments else you will cook them. On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 7:16 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion occurred. Does this match quantum physics theory? I thought that there is no way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere within its orbital all of the time. Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description. The other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism. I bet on the later. It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is important for the device operation just as I have suspected. Dave
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
Did they say anything new? The audio quality is pretty bad, so I didn't understand everything: They are a) Talking to several countries (79 if I remember correctly) b) Trying to build production lines (which might take several years? I thought they were already building one...) c) Are they redesigning the whole thing? I thought their reactor was finished, however in Xanthoulis talk he mentions something about having something in 6 months..? It's a matter of materials. d) Does Xanthoulis say, that they received money from government or not? I understand something like Otherwise we would never finished or Other persons would never have finished? Perhaps it would be best if a native english speaker could make a transscript of both presentations..? So basically just more words, no facts and more delays..? Wolf Hello group, This is from the official DGT forum: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17t=1288 Dear readers of this forum and friends, Defkalion GT presence at NI week 2012 has been recorded in the following youtube links: 1. Alex Xanthoulis in LENR panel discussion at http://youtu.be/0iKCLHxmISs 2. The technical presentation of DGT's Hyperions at (uploading in progress) 3. Please download this technical presentation in pdf (uploaded in this topic) as well as the summary of Defkalion's at NI week 2012. 4. An interesting introduction on Anomalous Heat Effects related technologies and science by Dr. Dunkan and Greg Morrow can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4HG9raN_2U whilst an interesting introduction to LENR, with reference to DGT's Hyperion products photo, can be viewed at President, and CEO, Dr. James Truchard's kicks off NIWeek 2012 at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxjxFdFEBsw. A presentation of DGT's technologies and progress, supported also by a scientific paper, has been scheduled for ICCF-17 in Korea. We will be back to discuss all these through this forum at August 20th, 2012 We wish you all happy summer vacations. Defkalion Green Technologies Unfortunately, even though I'm logged in, the DGT forum software says that: You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post. So I can't download the technical presentation in pdf. Cheers, S.A.
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Lots of good things happening this week, and likely at ICCF too. good papers coming out. I am beginning to feel there's a trend to see more theoretical papers about 'deuterated metal lattices' and other titles which indicate the theorists have begun to see this as respectable and a very challenging problem which their minds crave to solve. although still somewhat avoiding the CF word. When one factors in the human aspect, Nobel prizes and other professional accolades and notoriety, this has reached the critical momentum that nothing can stop it now. There ain't no way this genie could get stuffed back into the bottle now. I don't care how much $ or influence that entity might have, the genie is free!! Reminds me of Robin Williams' portrayal as the genie in the animated movie, Aladdin, where at the end, the 'thief' had a choice for a third wish between wishing that his love interest would still love him after he confesses to her that he's not a prince, or he could do the right thing as promised to the genie and grant his freedom. he wished the genie 'free'. It was the right thing to do, and it was a good feeling. Well, I'm kinda feeling like that now! And for all of us who have been following this saga for 23 frickin' years, it a pretty dam good feeling! It won't happen overnight, but it WILL happen in our lifetime. -Mark From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 4:16 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion occurred. Does this match quantum physics theory? I thought that there is no way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere within its orbital all of the time. Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description. The other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism. I bet on the later. It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is important for the device operation just as I have suspected. Dave
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DaveR, I got sidetracked with my posting on genies and all, kind of feeling a bit 'hi' today!, and forgot that I wanted to respond to your comment about mag-flds. absolutely they will be important because they affect the geometries/alignments. Possibly also alternating E and B flds. By definition, the atoms in a metal lattice are already aligned, but being able to tweak that alignment to some degree could very well be a key requirement. -mark From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 4:16 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion occurred. Does this match quantum physics theory? I thought that there is no way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere within its orbital all of the time. Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description. The other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism. I bet on the later. It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is important for the device operation just as I have suspected. Dave
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Dave: I dont think its going to be some oblique angle either itll likely be some multiple of 90degs; or half a pi if you prefer your physics served up that way! ;-) bon appétit! -m From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 5:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 DaveR, I got sidetracked with my posting on genies and all, kind of feeling a bit hi today!, and forgot that I wanted to respond to your comment about mag-flds absolutely they will be important because they affect the geometries/alignments. Possibly also alternating E and B flds By definition, the atoms in a metal lattice are already aligned, but being able to tweak that alignment to some degree could very well be a key requirement -mark From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 4:16 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion occurred. Does this match quantum physics theory? I thought that there is no way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere within its orbital all of the time. Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description. The other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism. I bet on the later. It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is important for the device operation just as I have suspected. Dave
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Re: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556v6.pdf Here is the article that goes with the paper above, I remembered that I saw this subject before and we talked about it. http://phys.org/news/2012-03-ions-closer-physical-quantum-plasmas.html Cheers: Axil On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote: Here's a link to the pdf: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556v6.pdf On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 11:40 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: 2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 Reference 5 is to http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007 Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 165007 (2012) [5 pages] Novel Attractive Force between Ions in Quantum Plasmas P. K. Shuklahttp://publish.aps.org/search/field/author/P.%20K.%20Shukla 1,2,* and B. Eliassonhttp://publish.aps.org/search/field/author/B.%20Eliasson 1,† (PRL says that Abstracts are fully protected by copyrights).
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Yeah, I have the same feeling Mark. It can not be too long now before the prize is delivered to mankind. I waited on the sideline for those many years, looking every so often to see if anything had poked its head upward. When I saw the Rossi demonstrations, I knew that the time had come to begin following cold fusion devices again. It was a long dry spell, but I just knew that there was something behind the work of PF since they were incredibly talented scientists. Do you recall that there was a great deal of interest in near room temperature superconductors at around the same time? I had hope for that technology as well, but it seems to have slowed down even more than LENR. Perhaps it will revive soon. Unfortunately, I just had to replace my heat pump due to its old age! I waited as long as I could, so now I guess I will have to obtain a LENR-generator combination to handle my needs. It could be worse. We should all be proud to have recognized a technology that will be immensely beneficial and rapidly deployed. Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 8:10 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 Lots of good things happening this week, and likely at ICCF too… good papers coming out. I am beginning to feel there’s a trend to see more theoretical papers about ‘deuterated metal lattices’ and other titles which indicate the theorists have begun to see this as respectable and a very challenging problem which their minds crave to solve… although still somewhat avoiding the CF word. When one factors in the human aspect, Nobel prizes and other professional accolades and notoriety, this has reached the critical momentum that nothing can stop it now. There ain’t no way this genie could get stuffed back into the bottle now… I don’t care how much $ or influence that entity might have, the genie is free!! Reminds me of Robin Williams’ portrayal as the genie in the animated movie, Aladdin, where at the end, the ‘thief’ had a choice for a third wish between wishing that his love interest would still love him after he confesses to her that he’s not a prince, or he could do the right thing as promised to the genie and grant his freedom… he wished the genie ‘free’. It was the right thing to do, and it was a good feeling. Well, I’m kinda feeling like that now! And for all of us who have been following this saga for 23 frickin’ years, it a pretty dam good feeling! It won’t happen overnight, but it WILL happen in our lifetime. -Mark From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 4:16 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion occurred. Does this match quantum physics theory? I thought that there is no way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere within its orbital all of the time. Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description. The other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism. I bet on the later. It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is important for the device operation just as I have suspected. Dave
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Well, I guess time will tell as to how critical the angles will be. I picture the effect as being of a low probability nature where a small modification to the angle of motion for the protons allows the target to be hit. This thought is based upon the incredibly tiny cross section area of the target nucleus. Think of it as a poke into the dark at a small target, where the modified magnetic field changes the direction of the poke slightly. Of course you may be correct in your assessment, and one day we will know the proper answers. Now, what were the questions? :-) Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 8:22 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 Dave: I don’t think it’s going to be some oblique angle either… it’ll likely be some multiple of 90degs; or ‘half a pi’ if you prefer your physics served up that way! ;-) bon appétit! -m From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 5:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 DaveR, I got sidetracked with my posting on genies and all, kind of feeling a bit ‘hi’ today!, and forgot that I wanted to respond to your comment about mag-flds… absolutely they will be important because they affect the geometries/alignments. Possibly also alternating E and B flds… By definition, the atoms in a metal lattice are already aligned, but being able to tweak that alignment to some degree could very well be a key requirement… -mark From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 4:16 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 DGT mentioned that the reacting hydrogen electron was in the vicinity of the proton and nickel atom for a short time period during which the fusion occurred. Does this match quantum physics theory? I thought that there is no way to locate an electron at a particular time and that it is everywhere within its orbital all of the time. Perhaps they are adding support to classical physics in their description. The other possibility is that they really do not understand the mechanism. I bet on the later. It is interesting to see that DGT suggests that a magnetic field is important for the device operation just as I have suspected. Dave
