On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:11 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
No problem, I will meet you here in a couple of years and we can compare
notes.
Good, but I was hoping you'd be able to tell us now if you might get a
little skeptical if the hot cat has a similar fate that the steam
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:13 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I am attempting to keep you form getting banned since I want to use you to
clear up a number of issues. It is hoped that you will go back to the
other skeptics and then set them straight.
Garbage. You don't need
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:25 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Maybe we are making headway in this discussion. Can I assume that you are
now saying that the hot cat can actually produce heat by some unknown
process? So far it is not clear that you accept this premise.
For
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 8:08 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Josh, once you understand how the ECAT uses heat for control you will
realize that the heat can not be applied continuously.
Well, you're gonna have to explain it if you expect me to understand it.
And then you're
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
**
Yes it was a poor analogy, but so what? Cude’s analysis is wrong no matter
how much he obfuscates and by jumping on a poor analogy – he does not gain
credibility.
**
Which analogy is that? I was suggesting
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:58 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.comwrote:
But I think you misunderstood. I was not referring to new science
theories there. I was saying that it's common sense that if Rossi's claims
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
No, you don't. Plenty of ICEs (outboards, motorcycles) run without
batteries. Car engines would run without batteries too, unless they use
some
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
But the ecat just uses electricity to make heat. So if the ecat already
makes heat, it should self-sustain on that. Like combustion.
I passed
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
There is a third possibility as well. The reaction is localized, and it
depends upon an elevated temperature to kick off. But the local region is
destroyed by the reaction, so you have apply heat once more to initiate
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 3:22 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Eric,
The resistive heating requirement is to be able to reverse the
temperature excursion at the proper time by removing the extra input.
Constant heat input will result in the destruction of the device when
useful
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 4:10 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Eric,
Model 1 appears to be more in line with what I suspect is happening
except for the explanation of the lack of external heat for control issue.
You need to consider that the peak heat power being generated
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:36 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
This is a good start Josh. I think I can explain that to you since you
seem to be a pretty sharp guy.
Thank you Mr Roberson for that kind compliment.
Unfortunately it also takes an explanation that is realistic and
this puppy operates and I would like to be
there when that happens!
Dave
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On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:36 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
This is a good start Josh. I think I
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:58 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.comwrote:
But I think you misunderstood. I was not referring to new science
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
But the ecat just uses electricity to make heat. So if the ecat already
makes heat, it should self-sustain on that. Like combustion.
I passed over this point too quickly. One question is why in Rossi's
device the heat
I wrote:
- The general area of the reaction is somewhat localized, and the
normal thermal gradient that would lead heat to dissipate from that
location must be countered from outside of it by the resistance heaters, so
that sufficient heat is retained in that area.
There is a
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On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
But the ecat just uses electricity to make heat. So
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 1:22 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
The resistive heating requirement is to be able to reverse the temperature
excursion at the proper time by removing the extra input. Constant heat
input will result in the destruction of the device when useful output
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On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 1:22 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
The resistive heating requirement is to be able to reverse the temperature
the high temperature lingers.
Does this help to explain the operation according to my model?
Dave
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On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 2:10 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Does this help to explain the operation according to my model?
Yes. But I think your SPICE model is working at a higher level than what I
was describing. Your model is looking at the thermodynamics of the system
as a
Sent: Sun, Jun 2, 2013 5:20 pm
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Dave, I agree. You have described the process very well. The only thing missing
from your model is the thermal contact between the source, (Ni) and the sink
(the mass of the E-cat). The better
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 2:10 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Does this help to explain the operation according to my model?
Yes. But I think your SPICE model is working at a higher level than what I
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 2:59 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I am afraid there is not much more that we can do beyond constructing a
model without much more extensive data from Rossi.
Perhaps. But I think we can say that given what we know about the need for
the control system
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Giving Rossi the benefit of the doubt, the fact that an
external stimulus is required in the form of resistance heating (also heat,
as has been pointed out), this seems to indicate that one of two phenomena,
or both,
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.comwrote:
He said you need a battery for an internal combustion engine, and so that
means it's not self-sustaining. That was what I responded to.
My
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
the analogy only goes so far, in that it is harder in Rossi's case to
recapture the heat and channel it back into the secondary source.
But the ecat just uses electricity to make heat. So if the ecat already
makes
input to the ECAT results in thermal run away.
Dave
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To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Jun 1, 2013 6:54 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Eric
From: Joshua Cude
Eric Walker wrote:
the analogy only goes so far, in that it is harder in Rossi's case to
recapture the heat and channel it back into the secondary source.
But the ecat just uses electricity to make heat. So if the ecat already
makes heat, it should self-sustain on
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
No, you don't. Plenty of ICEs (outboards, motorcycles) run without
batteries. Car engines would run without batteries too, unless they use
some kind of electronic fault detection that shuts it down without a
battery. But
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 6:57 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
But the ecat just uses electricity to make heat. So if the ecat already
makes heat, it should self-sustain on that. Like combustion.
** **
An ICE is self-sustaining. The ecat needs external power. They're
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.comwrote:
I'm not talking about initiating. I'm talking about sustaining. I have no
problem using electricity to initiate the ecat. But if it's a source
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
A match is needed to ignite a firecracker, but once ignited, the
explosion sustains itself.
A match is needed to start a campfire, but not to sustain it.
Cold
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:23 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
There seems to be a serious hangup over why a heat generating device needs
some form of heating input to sustain itself. The skeptics can not seem to
get their arms around this issue so I will make another short attempt
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
If we are going to do analogies, a more useful one would be to compare the
Rossi reactor to an internal combustion engine ICE. With an ICE you have to
apply the spark periodically to small portions of the fuel to
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
As dave explains it makes sense if the energy input provides cooling power.
Exactly. The whole thing is nuts. If it really needed to be regulated, it
would make sense to regulate with temperature controlled cooling.
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
I agree Dave, I have been providing this explanation for several years
without any effect. I'm glad you are adding your voice. The critical point
at which the temperature must be reduced depends on the degree of thermal
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Josh, what is common sense now becomes ancient history when the newest
theories come out.
Yes, I know that happens sometimes. And sometimes things that are common
sense remain common sense.
But I think you
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Bill Beaty has an excellent quote on this subject, here:
http://amasci.com/weird/vmore.html
Every fact of science was once damned. Every invention was considered
impossible. Every discovery was a nervous shock to
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
If someone is looking for an analogy they could look at the behavior of a
power transistor mounted on a heat sink. For this exercise assume that the
collector is directly connected to a power source. Apply enough base
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
. But my sense tells me that a significant number of scientists are
starting to take genuine interest and that they will stay tuned for further
details.
Read the cold fusion forums for the last 24 years. This has
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, and only in a diesel engine do you not need a battery to keep spark
plugs going. Demanding a self-sustaining device is like demanding a diesel
engine. ICEs were first developed in the 1860s, and the diesel engine
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
I think this is more about who is the gatekeeper to the ideology and
business of science rather than any exercise in ethics.
The gatekeeper class resents this clique of stiff necked maverick
scientists who have the
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On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, and only in a diesel engine do you not need a battery to keep spark
plugs going. Demanding a self-sustaining device is like demanding a diesel
And then there is a class of non-paid sycophant apologists that make it
their business to curry favor with the gatekeepers. They divine what the
hierarchy wants and proceed to do their best to impress the powers that be.
They want to be like them; like a kid who wants to be “Babe Ruth so they
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:32 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote:
Josh:
** **
Eric’s comment about not needing a battery to keep spark plugs going was
referring to a DIESEL engine, and diesels don’t have spark plugs.
He said you need a battery for an internal combustion
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Seriously? Do you really not know how an internal combustion engine
works?
Man, this place is crawling with ignoramuses.
***Sneering. Against the rules.
Hi,
On 31-5-2013 4:45, Eric Walker wrote:
Yes, and only in a diesel engine do you not need a battery to keep
spark plugs going.
Call me a nitpicker, but I think it should probably read:
Yes, and only in a diesel engine do you not need ANYTHING to keep spark
plugs going.
Of course, because
Hi,
On 30-5-2013 22:48, Edmund Storms wrote:
I agree Dave, I have been providing this explanation for several years
without any effect. I'm glad you are adding your voice. The critical
point at which the temperature must be reduced depends on the degree
of thermal contact between the source
-Cat investigation put into question
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:23 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
There seems to be a serious hangup over why a heat generating device needs some
form of heating input to sustain itself. The skeptics can not seem to get
their arms around
On May 31, 2013, at 4:40 AM, Rob Dingemans wrote:
Hi,
On 30-5-2013 22:48, Edmund Storms wrote:
I agree Dave, I have been providing this explanation for several
years without any effect. I'm glad you are adding your voice. The
critical point at which the temperature must be reduced depends
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On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Josh, what is common sense now becomes ancient history when
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On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
If someone is looking for an analogy they could look at the behavior of a power
transistor mounted on a heat
Josh, please refrain from insults.
Dave
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To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 3:07 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Eric Walker
to be
doing just that. The challenges he faces are difficult.
Dave
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To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 6:40 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
Hi,
On 30-5-2013 22
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com wrote:
Of course, because a diesel engine works with GLOW PLUGS as it doesn't have
any spark plugs.
But these glow plugs still require electricity generated by an alternator
which is connected by a V-belt to the engine.
Glow
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:40 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Of course it is not the exact same. Positive heat feedback is what we are
mainly interested in. You know that, so why bring up the obvious
differences?
Because it's not positive heat feedback.
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:37 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It is great to see that we are in such close agreement. Let's handle the
issues related to positive feedback as I requested and you will improve
your understanding.
I thought you were keeping an open mind, not a
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:41 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Josh, please refrain from insults.
Please refrain from telling me what to refrain from.
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:32 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
With that in mind, please submit for discussion your main reason for
discounting my explanation so that it can be properly addressed and
everyone who is following this concept can draw their own conclusions. It
is my
Cude, please admit to the obvious. The LENR effect has positive
feedback. Increased temperature causes increased power generation.
This is an established fact. Of course, if as you believe, CF is not
real, than this statement is irrelevant to you and any discussion is a
waste of time.
Storms, please read the exchange. I was saying the transistor was not a
good analagy because it's not positive thermal feedback.
The claim that cold fusion is positive thermal feedback, is the basis of my
argument that it should easily self-sustain if there were a COP of 3.
On Fri, May 31,
What is not positive heat feedback?
Dave
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To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 1:40 pm
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On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:40 AM, David Roberson
:43 pm
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On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:37 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It is great to see that we are in such close agreement. Let's handle the
issues related to positive feedback as I requested and you
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On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:41 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Josh, please refrain from insults.
Please refrain from telling me what to refrain from.
Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
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Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 1:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:32 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
With that in mind, please submit for discussion your
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:11 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Lets start with one of your choice regarding the many heat generation
issues. How about how a small amount of heat can control a much larger
amount?
I agree this is possible under certain circumstances. But I don't
Vacuum
*Air + Water Vapor = 9.6 Megatons* (600 Hiroshima Bombs) from the latest
Oklahoma tornado mentioned by scientists
herehttp://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tornado-powerful-hiroshima-bomb-article-1.1351054
All nature
On Friday, May 31, 2013, Joshua Cude wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2013
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To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 2:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:11 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Lets start with one of your choice
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
He said you need a battery for an internal combustion engine, and so that
means it's not self-sustaining. That was what I responded to.
My point was a valid one. It's that for a regular ICE you need a secondary
source
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Glow plugs are for starting in cold weather. Before glow plugs, we
used ether to start diesels in cold weather.
In the Russian winter during WWII they would start tractor engines and tank
engines by dumping gasoline on them and igniting it. They tried
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
My point was a valid one. It's that for a regular ICE you need a secondary
source of power to drive the spark plugs (where in a diesel engine you do
not after the engine gets going).
Just to clarify the point (for
obvious errors that I have committed.
Dave
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To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 8:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.comwrote:
I'm not talking about initiating. I'm talking about sustaining. I
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:52 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.comwrote:
As dave explains it makes sense if the energy input provides cooling
power.
Exactly. The whole thing is nuts. If it really needed to be
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:58 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote:
Josh, what is common sense now becomes ancient history when the newest
theories come out.
Yes, I know that happens sometimes. And sometimes
Right, the brethren has so far brought us fission reactors, nuclear bombs
and hot fu$ion, crowning achievements for our children
Stewart
On Thursday, May 30, 2013, Eric Walker wrote:
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Jed Rothwell
jedrothw...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:51 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Right, the brethren has so far brought us fission reactors, nuclear bombs
and hot fu$ion, crowning achievements for our children
I should clarify that I was trying to reproduce the inevitable and circular
logic that some
Cool, this phenom obviously requires a lot of heads from different
disciplines to figure it out since it does not appear to follow the
straight and narrow from what I see.
On Thursday, May 30, 2013, Eric Walker wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:51 AM, ChemE Stewart
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:38 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.comwrote:
The monitoring of the input was comically inadequate, if there is any
possibility of deception, the blank run used a different power regimen,
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com wrote:
Hi,
You probably know the famous saying First they ignore you, then they
ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.
It seems we are currently in the second stage and my instinct tells me
we might soon be
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:38 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.comwrote:
That's not the opinion of the majority of observers of the case. Deception
on this scale -- frauds and scams -- are utterly common. Scientific
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
The engineers at Elforsk disagree with Cude. They do not think this was a
farce. They know much more about measuring energy and electricity than he
does, so I suppose they are correct and he is wrong.
It doesn't
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:38 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.comwrote:
First, the fact that this *source* of energy thousands of times more dense
than chemical has to be plugged in (to a high power line, no less) will
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
First, the fact that this *source* of energy thousands of times more
dense than chemical has to be plugged in (to a high power line, no less)
will turn most observers away.
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
** **
*From:* Joshua Cude
** **
First, the fact that this *source* of energy thousands of times more
dense than chemical has to be plugged in (to a high power line, no less)
will turn most observers away.
authority you achieved that role
and position and I will stand corrected.
Ransom
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From: Joshua Cude
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:09 PM
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On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2
From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:12:17 AM
And didn't
the engineers at the Swedish Standards Institute test this
configuration without success. Have those engineers given an opinion
on the latest test? They know more than me too.
They terminated the
From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:13:43 AM
I have not seen perfectly good reasons for it. The reasons given that
you need input heat to control the heat seem like an excuse to keep
the power connected to me. Is there another example of a reaction
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Randy wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
**
Joshua:
First, telling us how the majority of observers feel about the report is
clearly beyond your knowledge. As Eric suggested making those claims
without proof (poll, census, etc.) is not only unscientific it
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:12:17 AM
And didn't
the engineers at the Swedish Standards Institute test this
configuration without success. Have those engineers given an
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
A device with a COP of 3 is not better than a heat pump.
That's for MARCH, which was intentionally run at lower power, choosing
stability over COP.
Right. Three months of technical improvements gave a worse COP.
The
Cude:
You seem to be morphing into troll mode. Reasonable discussions with you are
apparently at an end.
Ransom
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To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not talking about initiating. I'm talking about sustaining. I have no
problem using electricity to initiate the ecat. But if it's a source of
energy, it should behave like one and be able to at least power itself.
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
A match is needed to ignite a firecracker, but once ignited, the
explosion sustains itself.
A match is needed to start a campfire, but not to sustain it.
Cold fusion is not fire. It does not work the same
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From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
From:Joshua
I wrote:
. . . If you unplug a Rossi cell and try to make it self-sustain without
input, it will melt.
An analogy to fire may be useful to understanding, but you cannot engineer
a reactor based on analogies.
If we are going to do analogies, a more useful one would be to compare the
Rossi
As dave explains it makes sense if the energy input provides cooling power.
Harry
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I wrote:
. . . If you unplug a Rossi cell and try to make it self-sustain without
input, it will melt.
An analogy to fire may be
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From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
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From: Joshua Cude
First, the fact
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