Re: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

[Terry Blanton]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
 The web page does not have the quality you would expect from Apple.
>>>
>>> Don't get me wrong.  I wasn't implying that it wasn't real.  It would
>>> be wise for Apple to not show their hand.
>>
>> Rumors are that Faraday Future funding comes from LeTV owner Jia Yueting.
>>
>> http://cleantechnica.com/2015/11/10/cracking-mystery-faraday-future-concepts-revealed/
>
> I see Blaze already posted about Yeuting.  Sorry for being redundant over 
> again.

To make up for my redundancy here is an article about various
companies joining Musk:

http://qz.com/546081/what-it-takes-in-the-new-electric-car-race-1-billion-a-tesla-veteran-or-bill-gates-imprimatur/

Re: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

[Terry Blanton]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>>> The web page does not have the quality you would expect from Apple.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong.  I wasn't implying that it wasn't real.  It would
>> be wise for Apple to not show their hand.
>
> Rumors are that Faraday Future funding comes from LeTV owner Jia Yueting.
>
> http://cleantechnica.com/2015/11/10/cracking-mystery-faraday-future-concepts-revealed/

I see Blaze already posted about Yeuting.  Sorry for being redundant over again.

Re: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

[Terry Blanton]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>> The web page does not have the quality you would expect from Apple.
>
> Don't get me wrong.  I wasn't implying that it wasn't real.  It would
> be wise for Apple to not show their hand.

Rumors are that Faraday Future funding comes from LeTV owner Jia Yueting.

http://cleantechnica.com/2015/11/10/cracking-mystery-faraday-future-concepts-revealed/

Re: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

[Terry Blanton]

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
> The web page does not have the quality you would expect from Apple.

Don't get me wrong.  I wasn't implying that it wasn't real.  It would
be wise for Apple to not show their hand.

Re: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

[Jed Rothwell]

Jones Beene  wrote:


> By “not quite” there is a likely scenario where there is both an
> intelligent control system in the car itself - but also a cadre of “remote
> drivers” in an office somewhere (preferably local, instead of India). And
> all interactions are recorded, of course.
>

I doubt it. That sounds like the worst of both technologies. The safety
record measured in accidents per passenger mile of driverless cars is
already far better than human-driven cars. It will only improve. Putting a
person in charge of a driverless car, or even letting a person touch the
controls, is asking for trouble. It will increase the number of accidents.

I guess it might be a good idea for delivery vehicles, but a better idea is
to make delivery vehicles the size of picnic baskets and have them go no
faster than 2 miles an hour. Like this:

https://thestack.com/iot/2015/11/03/self-driving-delivery-robots-starship-skype-london-in-2016/

Pilots have long been saying that future airplanes will be equipped with
one man and one dog. The man's job will be to feed the dog. The dog's job
will be to bite the man if he touches the controls.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

[Jones Beene]

There seems to be a notion among futurists, probably slightly incorrect, that 
“driverless” vehicle is the next-big-thing in automotive, and especially in the 
“alternative-taxi” segment. 

 

Perhaps we should could refine this into a more likely version, by saying 
“virtually driverless” or not quite computer controlled.

 

By “not quite” there is a likely scenario where there is both an intelligent 
control system in the car itself - but also a cadre of “remote drivers” in an 
office somewhere (preferably local, instead of India). And all interactions are 
recorded, of course.

 

Imagine an entry level office job of the future, requiring no college education 
– only communication skills… and not involving hamburgers … which is at the 
heart of this “OnStar-on-Steroids” proposal … where the employee sits behind a 
desk which has 8-10 flat screen monitors, each of which is connected to the 
intelligent control system of a corresponding driverless taxi or personal 
vehicle. 

 

Thus, when required, the customer can actually communicate with a real person, 
in real time, for a fraction of the cost of a human driver. Or when the vehicle 
makes an Amazon Prime delivery, or picks up the kids from school – there are 
human eyes watching over the situation. 

 

This could be a substantial improvement over the completely autonomous vehicle, 
where everything depends on software and there is nothing equivalent to 
personal responsibility. And it is a step forward from OnStar too – so no doubt 
this has not gone unnoticed in Detroit.

 

 



The fact that there is a China connection to the Faraday/Apple automotive 
venture should come as no surprise. It is the obvious partial answer to the 
“how and why” question, as explained here:

 

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/542111/how-might-apple-manufacture-a-car/

 

In short, they use the iphone business model – design the product here, add 
features (or an entirely new concept) that the competition lacks, build it 
Asia, and sell the sizzle.

 

The surprise is that they apparently didn’t steal any talent from Uber/Goggle, 
since the car itself will (eventually) be driverless - maybe not the first 
generation, but eventually. The second surprise is that the market they are 
going for in not the family car per se, but the 2nd car of a two-car family. 
Make that: the market is the elimination of the second car.

 

In short, the target market is for that percentage of mostly urban consumers 
who do not care to own a vehicle, if it involves parking it on the street - but 
will contract with Faraday for (a portion of) their transportation needs ala 
Uber, but with no driver – and a net savings over actual ownership. This means 
instant guaranteed access to a ride, and at a cost much less than Uber is now.  
Many consumers will still have one car, but if they live in a big city – no 
car. In San Francisco, New York, and a growing number of other locales, the 
former car owner can convert the former garage into a studio apartment and rent 
it for $3000/mo. That is not a joke.

 

RE: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

[Jones Beene]

The fact that there is a China connection to the Faraday/Apple automotive 
venture should come as no surprise. It is the obvious partial answer to the 
“how and why” question, as explained here:

 

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/542111/how-might-apple-manufacture-a-car/

 

In short, they use the iphone business model – design the product here, add 
features (or an entirely new concept) that the competition lacks, build it 
Asia, and sell the sizzle.

 

The surprise is that they apparently didn’t steal any talent from Uber/Goggle, 
since the car itself will (eventually) be driverless - maybe not the first 
generation, but eventually. The second surprise is that the market they are 
going for in not the family car per se, but the 2nd car of a two-car family. 
Make that: the market is the elimination of the second car.

 

In short, the target market is for that percentage of mostly urban consumers 
who do not care to own a vehicle, if it involves parking it on the street - but 
will contract with Faraday for (a portion of) their transportation needs ala 
Uber, but with no driver – and a net savings over actual ownership. This means 
instant guaranteed access to a ride, and at a cost much less than Uber is now.  
Many consumers will still have one car, but if they live in a big city – no 
car. In San Francisco, New York, and a growing number of other locales, the 
former car owner can convert the former garage into a studio apartment and rent 
it for $3000/mo. That is not a joke.

 

From: Blaze Spinnaker 

 

i like the team:

*   Nick Sampson, Senior Vice President – Former Director of Vehicle & 
Chassis Engineering, Tesla Motors
*   Dag Reckhorn, Vice President of Global Manufacturing – Former Director 
of Manufacturing, Tesla Model S
*   Alan Cherry, Vice President of Human Resources - Former Senior 
Director, Human Resources, Tesla Motors
*   Tom Wessner, Vice President of Supply Chain - Former Director of 
Purchasing, Tesla Motors
*   Richard Kim, Head of Design – Founding member of BMW i Design and Lead 
Designer, i3 and i8 concepts.

 

Re: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

[Blaze Spinnaker]

China's reponse to tesla:

Incorporation papers filed with the California secretary of state's office
links Faraday to a Chinese media company operated by Jia Yueting, an
entrepreneur who founded Leshi Internet Information & Technology.

Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3307660/Mysterious-firm-backed-one-China-s-richest-men-set-build-billion-dollar-factory-Tesla-Apple-electric-car.html#ixzz3qxvKwywd

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Makes sense.  China has a huge pollution problems.  They also prefer to buy
from natives rather than foreigners.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

> i like the team:
>
>
>- Nick Sampson, Senior Vice President – Former Director of Vehicle &
>Chassis Engineering, Tesla Motors
>- Dag Reckhorn, Vice President of Global Manufacturing – Former
>Director of Manufacturing, Tesla Model S
>- Alan Cherry, Vice President of Human Resources - Former Senior
>Director, Human Resources, Tesla Motors
>- Tom Wessner, Vice President of Supply Chain - Former Director of
>Purchasing, Tesla Motors
>- Richard Kim, Head of Design – Founding member of BMW i Design and
>Lead Designer, i3 and i8 concepts.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:26 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

[Blaze Spinnaker]

i like the team:


   - Nick Sampson, Senior Vice President – Former Director of Vehicle &
   Chassis Engineering, Tesla Motors
   - Dag Reckhorn, Vice President of Global Manufacturing – Former Director
   of Manufacturing, Tesla Model S
   - Alan Cherry, Vice President of Human Resources - Former Senior
   Director, Human Resources, Tesla Motors
   - Tom Wessner, Vice President of Supply Chain - Former Director of
   Purchasing, Tesla Motors
   - Richard Kim, Head of Design – Founding member of BMW i Design and Lead
   Designer, i3 and i8 concepts.


On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:26 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

[Blaze Spinnaker]

i like the team:


On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

> This is very very good for Tesla.  Elon must be sighing a breath of huge
> relief.  This is why he was giving patents away for free.
>
> They need someone else to shoulder the load of creating infrastructure.
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> New electric car company startup in California is flu$h with ca$h
>>
>> *http://www.faradayfuture.com/index.html*
>> 
>>
>> Rumor is that it is a front for Apple. Where else can they park half a
>> trillion?
>>
>> They raided Tesla for top people, but still – I wouldn’t bet against
>> Elon.
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

[Blaze Spinnaker]

This is very very good for Tesla.  Elon must be sighing a breath of huge
relief.  This is why he was giving patents away for free.

They need someone else to shoulder the load of creating infrastructure.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> New electric car company startup in California is flu$h with ca$h
>
> *http://www.faradayfuture.com/index.html*
> 
>
> Rumor is that it is a front for Apple. Where else can they park half a
> trillion?
>
> They raided Tesla for top people, but still – I wouldn’t bet against Elon.
>

Re: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

[Terry Blanton]

The web page does not have the quality you would expect from Apple.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
> New electric car company startup in California is flu$h with ca$h
>
> http://www.faradayfuture.com/index.html
>
> Rumor is that it is a front for Apple. Where else can they park half a
> trillion?
>
> They raided Tesla for top people, but still – I wouldn’t bet against Elon.

[Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

[Jones Beene]

New electric car company startup in California is flu$h with ca$h 
http://www.faradayfuture.com/index.html

Rumor is that it is a front for Apple. Where else can they park half a
trillion?

They raided Tesla for top people, but still - I wouldn't bet against Elon.