Re: [Vo]:Feb 1st 2012 National Research Council News Release Report: NASA's 16 top technical challenges for the next 5 years

2012-02-06 Thread Robert Lynn
There is simply no way that LENR will be useful for getting stuff to orbit - unless it is used as a method for making cheaper chemical rocket fuels, and even then rocket fuel costs are only a few % of a launch. - LENR power density is far too low (a 3500kg SSME delivers 9GW of power, ie 2.5MW/kg)

Re: [Vo]:Feb 1st 2012 National Research Council News Release Report: NASA's 16 top technical challenges for the next 5 years

2012-02-06 Thread Randy Wuller
2012 National Research Council News Release Report: NASA's 16 top technical challenges for the next 5 years There is simply no way that LENR will be useful for getting stuff to orbit - unless it is used as a method for making cheaper chemical rocket fuels, and even then rocket fuel costs

Re: [Vo]:Feb 1st 2012 National Research Council News Release Report: NASA's 16 top technical challenges for the next 5 years

2012-02-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote: ** I must say, when I see the words simply NO way used to describe the capabilities of a process we don't understand, my annoyance meter starts to twitch. Amen. Very hot, highly energetic cold fusion may be possible. Mizuno and others have demonstrated

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Feb 1st 2012 National Research Council News Release Report: NASA's 16 top technical challenges for the next 5 years

2012-02-06 Thread Roarty, Francis X
-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Feb 1st 2012 National Research Council News Release Report: NASA's 16 top technical challenges for the next 5 years I must say, when I see the words simply NO way used to describe the capabilities of a process we don't understand, my annoyance meter

RE: [Vo]:Feb 1st 2012 National Research Council News Release Report: NASA's 16 top technical challenges for the next 5 years

2012-02-06 Thread jean guy moreau
How about heating air for aviation ? JG Moreau Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:08:29 + Subject: Re: [Vo]:Feb 1st 2012 National Research Council News Release Report: NASA's 16 top technical challenges for the next 5 years From: robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Re: [Vo]:Feb 1st 2012 National Research Council News Release Report: NASA's 16 top technical challenges for the next 5 years

2012-02-06 Thread Alain Sepeda
even using normal fission temperatures, similat to LENR (without radiation) some have plan to use nuclear energy for rocket: NTR rockets http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/02/fission-rockets-could-open-up-solar.html first basic idea is to use as second stage. the scientist who promote that

Re: [Vo]:Feb 1st 2012 National Research Council News Release Report: NASA's 16 top technical challenges for the next 5 years

2012-02-06 Thread Robert Lynn
: How about heating air for aviation ? JG Moreau -- Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:08:29 + Subject: Re: [Vo]:Feb 1st 2012 National Research Council News Release Report: NASA's 16 top technical challenges for the next 5 years From: robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Feb 1st 2012 National Research Council News Release Report: NASA's 16 top technical challenges for the next 5 years

2012-02-06 Thread Axil Axil
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Feb 1st 2012 National Research Council News Release Report: NASA's 16 top technical challenges for the next 5 years* *** ** ** I must say, when I see the words simply NO way used to describe the capabilities of a process we don't

Re: [Vo]:Feb 1st 2012 National Research Council News Release Report: NASA's 16 top technical challenges for the next 5 years

2012-02-05 Thread Chemical Engineer
** * http://ns1.nianet.org/workshops/pdfs/Olds%20LaRC%20Workshop%20Presentation%20Final.pdf * * * *Page 14 shows an LENR thermal propulsion prototype from 2009 - 18 GW!* LENR Rocket Fully Reusable SSTO Vehicle powered by Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR) Propulsion Reactor Power Payload

RE: [Vo]:Feb 1st 2012 National Research Council News Release Report: NASA's 16 top technical challenges for the next 5 years

2012-02-05 Thread Jones Beene
One thing that is not clear from this NASA report is the important detail about net effect of using hydrogen 'only' with a LENR heat source (and assuming low exhaust temperatures as a given). This is in the context of hydrogen brisance balanced against the massive weight reduction advantage of NOT

[Vo]:Feb 1st 2012 National Research Council News Release Report: NASA's 16 top technical challenges for the next 5 years

2012-02-04 Thread Chemical Engineer
I will interpret Nuclear Thermal Propulsion to including LENR... 5 years would not be too bad for something not on the near horizon 1 year ago. Hopefully we can have a residential HVAC/Generator before that or at least something to heat our coffee.

[Vo]: Feb 1st 2012 National Research Council News Release Report: NASA's 16 top technical challenges for the next 5 years

2012-02-04 Thread Chemical Engineer
I will interpret Nuclear Thermal Propulsion to including LENR... 5 years would not be too bad for something not on the near horizon 1 year ago. Hopefully we can have a residential HVAC/Generator before that or at least something to heat our coffee.