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-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: vendredi 7 mars 2014 01:16
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Bitcoin's pseudonymous creator Satoshi Nakamoto willed
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Bitcoin's pseudonymous creator Satoshi Nakamoto willed that currency into
existence in 2009,
Not a pseudonym:
http://mag.newsweek.com/2014/03/14/bitcoin-satoshi-nakamoto.html
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:31 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree. Bitcoin's built-in deflation is its Achilles heel. James will
surely disagree with me on this one, but I'm happy to go along with modern
economics on the question of deflation. Keep in mind in this regard
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 7:51 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:31 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.comwrote:
I agree. Bitcoin's built-in deflation is its Achilles heel. James will
surely disagree with me on this one, but I'm happy to go along with
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From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 8:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?
Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
I went to the bank and wired money to a company here in the US. The process
took over
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 8:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?
Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
I went to the bank and wired money to a company here in the US. The
process took
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 5:51 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
There have been a few occasions where it was clear you hadn't read my prior
messages, since you repeated what I had already said but without
attribution,
One doesn't need to attribute something to someone if it's a
Emergent memes are merging this year...
Paraphrased from recent articles: Bitcoin is a digital currency, backed by
no commodity or central bank. It exists because a small number of humans
have chosen to believe in its legitimacy. The implication is that once a
threshold number of true believers
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The Rossi E-Cat is an advanced but unproved energy device which has been
publicly replicated by no reliable laboratory, and exists because a small
number of humans working on similar projects have chosen to believe in its
legitimacy.
There are FAR
Subject: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?
Emergent memes are merging this year...
Paraphrased from recent articles: Bitcoin is a digital currency, backed by
no commodity or central bank. It exists because a small number of humans
have chosen to believe in its legitimacy. The implication is that once
Subject: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?
Emergent memes are merging this year...
Paraphrased from recent articles: Bitcoin is a digital currency, backed by
no commodity or central bank. It exists because a small number of humans
have chosen to believe in its legitimacy. The implication is that once
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
Jones--Bob here.
Due to two emergent memes coming together at the same time, one wonders
if Andrea Rossi was paid in Bitcoins :-)
I do not think so.
Hi Bob,
Sometimes my best effort at a bit of cynical humor do not shine through :)
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
control of Bitcoin's control capability has come into question.
Not by any reputable analysts.
The problems thus far have been in the financial services layer, not in the
underlying cryptocurrency wire-transfer/public
Gold coins could be counterfeited, so people would bite them to see if they
were real.
What is the byte test for bitcoins? ;-)
harry
What is the byte test for bitcoins? ;-)
Verification of a chain of cryptographic signatures, if I'm not mistaken. I.e,
perhaps the most secure way we know of for verifying the provenance of
something at the moment.
Eric
it seems that test is the object of the bitcoin miners.
they don't mine crytokeys, thet are simply paid for their work to check and
reconcile the transations log, the accounting registers...
some expert should correct me.
2014-02-26 18:05 GMT+01:00 H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com:
Gold coins
Jones--
I make the same mistake frequently.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
Jones--Bob here
From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com
it seems that test is the object of the bitcoin miners.
they don't mine crytokeys, thet are simply paid for their work to check and
reconcile the transations log, the accounting registers...
The real problem with Bitcoins is not really security. Instead
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The real problem with Bitcoins is not really security. Instead it is that
there is nothing there, there nothing but speculative fever.
Anyone contemplating any renegade currency should read up on the Dutch
Tulip bubble of 1619 and beyond. . . .
See
It is a matter of values rather than beliefs.
If people stopped valuing flowers, the tulip bulb would cease to have value.
Likewise if people stopped valuing computer science, bit coins would cease
to have value.
Harry
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
If people stopped valuing flowers, the tulip bulb would cease to have
value.
True, but people have valued flowers in every culture, in every era in
recorded history. It seems to be inborn. Or instinctual. So there is little
chance that people will stop
What is there in BItcoin is what was there when IBM's deployment of
MSDOS on its PCs forced everyone to buy MSDOS and write applications for
MSDOS:
The network effect.
There are two essential ingredients that go into this network effect for
Bitcoin and neither of them involve speculative fever
people the sooner we can start
living in the world of plenty.
- Original Message -
From: James Bowery
To: vortex-l
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?
What is there in BItcoin is what was there when IBM's deployment of MSDOS
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Randy wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
The sooner you stop thinking like 19th century people the sooner we can
start living in the world of plenty.
You obviously missed the president's speech the other day when he said
The time of prosperity is over.
sigh
PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Randy wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
The sooner you stop thinking like 19th century people the sooner we can
start living in the world of plenty.
You obviously missed the president's speech the other day when he
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
You obviously missed the president's speech the other day when he said
The time of prosperity is over.
When did he say that?!? It sounds out of character.
- Jed
Randy wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
Currency to have value in our modern age can't be fixed to some arbitrary
value, it must be able to grow rapidly as the value of goods and services
can and should grow rapidly in the future. Human value has almost nothing
to do with productivity
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
1) Cryptographically secure limited number of coins.
I don't see any value to this. It causes the value to fluctuate rapidly and
unpredictably.
2) Cryptograpicically secure transmission of coins between private keys.
They have had this for a long
-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2014 3:47 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?
What is there in BItcoin is what was there when IBM's deployment of
MSDOS on its PCs forced everyone to buy MSDOS and write applications for
MSDOS:
The network effect
Sure, but electronic-speed wire transfer began in the 1850s, I think.
Modern wire transfer began in 1871.
- Jed
I went to the bank and wired money to a company here in the US. The
process took over an hour of my time, and the receiver didn't receive
the money for serveral hours. With
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
1) Cryptographically secure limited number of coins.
I don't see any value to this. It causes the value to fluctuate rapidly
and unpredictably.
Your first statement is
To sum up my monetary system's basis:
By this means, the monetary base becomes the liquid value of the local
economy's assets.
Maintenance of zero inflation/deflation is achieved by increasing or
decreasing the citizen's dividend with respect to revenue.
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:39 PM, James
From: Jed Rothwell
You obviously missed the president's speech the other day when he said The
time of prosperity is over.
When did he say that?!? It sounds out of character.
Terry did not say which President
Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
I went to the bank and wired money to a company here in the US. The
process took over an hour of my time, and the receiver didn't receive the
money for serveral hours.
That's not good. At Bank of America you can do it on line. If you have the
info.
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
1) Cryptographically secure limited number of coins.
I don't see any value to this. It causes the value to fluctuate rapidly
and unpredictably.
Your first statement is incorrect. There is clearly market value in
holding a quantity of anything
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
The whole point of money is to have stable values and as much of the stuff
as you need to conduct business. If the value of the dollar or yen doubled
one day and dropped by a huge
Hi,
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Randy wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
I have listened as long as I can to this discussion of Bitcoin by a
community of those alleged technical people (ie scientists) on a email list
devoted to for the most part Cold Fusion/LENR.
I know of two or three
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Security is not unique to Bitcoin; what is unique is that it is anonymous
and untraceable. Some people want that, and some such as drug dealers need
it, but I have no use for it.
Interestingly, bitcoin does not appear
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