Re: [Vo]:MFM air-flow calorimeter
I wonder if it would not be better to do a simple comparison between cells... For that, one could build four cells (just to be certain): 2 exactly as Celani's; and 2 again exactly as Celani's, but without active wires. As you know, in the Celani's cells there are two wires: one active and another just for heating. With proper mounting, the four cells would have wires almost identical (size and initial resistance). Therefore, they could power them up in series (only the wires used for heating). In this case, all cells would receive the same amount of power and should show about the same internal and external temperatures. Unless of course, as many would expect (including me!), the active cells show excess heat. In this case, considering the amount of excess heat Celani saw (~12W of excess heat from 48W of input heat), it would be easy to spot the temperature differences and, therefore, prove that the excess heat came from some misterious reaction (LERN?) in the cells with an active wire in it. By using two active and two inactive cells, one could rule out other factors if the inactive cells show the same internal and external temperatures and the active cells, at the same time, show significantly higher temperatures in accordance with Celani's colorimetric formulation. To avoid problems with pressure and gas composition, the cells could also be connected in series with tubes and receive the gases in series at the same time. Before power in, valves between cells (open during gas load) could be used to isolate then to avoid heat transfer via gas. I believe this approach is much easier and cheaper than flow calorimetry... Dear sceptics, could you see excess flaws in this approach? Alberto F. De Souza. On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Terry Blanton wrote: > > >> Why not put the fan before the temperature sensors? That way you >> don't have to rely on the measurement of the voltage and current into >> the fan. >> >> He said something about pressure as the reason; but, I don't get that. >> > > I had the same thought. > > Anyway, it should not be hard to measure the power going into the fan. > That can be done with great accuracy. > > - Jed > >
Re: [Vo]:MFM air-flow calorimeter
I suspect that any form of calorimeter will raise additional questions. Who can say at this point what the effect of the moving air will be upon the reaction taking place within the device? It is not difficult to imagine that excess flow will cause the outer glass temperature to drop as it takes away heat. We can not be positive that the reaction at the wire is not dependent upon the temperature of the hydrogen gas which would be reduced unless extreme care is taken. This device is temperature dependent, so any time heat is disrupted things will change. The other side of the coin it that it might now be possible to vary one of the parameters under control that can be measured. This additional variable effects might shed light upon the operation of the device. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Dec 10, 2012 3:08 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:MFM air-flow calorimeter Why not put the fan before the temperature sensors? That way you don't have to rely on the measurement of the voltage and current into the fan. He said something about pressure as the reason; but, I don't get that. On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I hate air-flow calorimeters but this looks like a beautiful piece of > equipment to me: > > http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/youtube-video-feed/170-the-air-flow-calorimeter > > - Jed >
Re: [Vo]:MFM air-flow calorimeter
Terry Blanton wrote: > Why not put the fan before the temperature sensors? That way you > don't have to rely on the measurement of the voltage and current into > the fan. > > He said something about pressure as the reason; but, I don't get that. > I had the same thought. Anyway, it should not be hard to measure the power going into the fan. That can be done with great accuracy. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:MFM air-flow calorimeter
Why not put the fan before the temperature sensors? That way you don't have to rely on the measurement of the voltage and current into the fan. He said something about pressure as the reason; but, I don't get that. On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I hate air-flow calorimeters but this looks like a beautiful piece of > equipment to me: > > http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/youtube-video-feed/170-the-air-flow-calorimeter > > - Jed >
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Re: [Vo]:MFM air-flow calorimeter
Terry sez: >> >> http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/youtube-video-feed/170-the-air-flow-calorimeter > > With his white beard, Paul could be making a killing in the malls > right now (if he can stand the kids.) > > I can tell him what I would like for Christmas! Maybe Santa will > bring us all a successful replication. Speaking of wishlists my brother sent me the following exchange which has been making the rounds. While not verified, the exchange does appear to have been made between Santa and one of his expectant customers: Dear Santa, How are you? How is Mrs. Claus? I hope everyone, from the reindeer to the elves, is fine. I have been a very good boy this year. I would like an X-Box 360 with Call of Duty IV and an iPhone 4 for Christmas. I hope you remember that come Christmas Day. Merry Christmas, Timmy Jones * * Dear Timmy, Thank you for your letter. Mrs. Claus, the reindeer and the elves are all fine and thank you for asking about them. Santa is a little worried all the time you spend playing video games and texting. Santa wouldn’t want you to get fat. Since you have indeed been a good boy, I think I’ll bring you something you can go outside and play with. *Merry Christmas,* Santa Claus*** * * Mr. Claus, Seeing that I have fulfilled the “naughty vs. Nice” contract, set by you I might add, I feel confident that you can see your way clear to granting me what I have asked for. I certainly wouldn’t want to turn this joyous season into one of litigation. Also, don’t you think that a jibe at my weight coming from an overweight man who goes out once a year is a bit trite? Respectfully, Tim Jones * * Mr. Jones, While I have acknowledged you have met the “nice” criteria, need I remind you that your Christmas list is a request and in no way is it a guarantee of services provided. Should you wish to pursue legal action, well that is your right. Please know, however, that my attorney’s have been on retainer ever since the Burgermeister Meisterburger incident and will be more than happy to take you on in open court. Additionally, the exercise I alluded to will not only improve your health, but also improve your social skills and potentially help clear up a complexion that looks like the bottom of the Burger King fry bin most days. Very Truly Yours, S Claus * * Now look here Fat Man, I told you what I want and I expect you to bring it. I was attempting to be polite about this but you brought my looks and my friends into this. Now you just be disrespecting me. I’m about to tweet my boys and we’re gonna be waiting for your fat ass and I’m taking my game console, my game, my phone, and whatever else I want. WHAT EVER I WANT, MAN! T-Bone * * Listen Pizza Face, Seriously??? You think a dude that breaks into every house in the world on one night and never gets caught sweats a skinny G-banger wannabe? “He sees you when you’re sleeping; He knows when you’re awake”. Sound familiar, genius? You know what kind of resources I have at my disposal. I got your shit wired, Jack. I go all around the world and see ways to hurt people that if I described them right now, you’d throw up your Totino’s pizza roll all over the carpet of your mom’s basement. You’re not getting what you asked for, but I’m still stopping by your crib to stomp a mud hole in you’re ass and then walk it dry. Chew on that, Petunia. S Clizzy * * Dear Santa, Bring me whatever you see fit. I’ll appreciate anything. Timmy * * Timmy, That’s what I thought, you little bastard. Santa ** -- Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:MFM air-flow calorimeter
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I hate air-flow calorimeters but this looks like a beautiful piece of > equipment to me: > > http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/youtube-video-feed/170-the-air-flow-calorimeter With his white beard, Paul could be making a killing in the malls right now (if he can stand the kids.) I can tell him what I would like for Christmas! Maybe Santa will bring us all a successful replication.
[Vo]:MFM air-flow calorimeter
I hate air-flow calorimeters but this looks like a beautiful piece of equipment to me: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/youtube-video-feed/170-the-air-flow-calorimeter - Jed