Re: [Vo]:Magnetism doesn't exist

2014-02-05 Thread H Veeder
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:26 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, got it. Well according to SR all motion or stillness is an illusion. But I think a better analogy would be calling someone by a different name because when they are moving their face looks motion blurred. One

Re: [Vo]:Magnetism doesn't exist

2014-02-05 Thread James Bowery
real is ultimately defined in terms of parsimony aka Ockham's Razor. While it is true that if one's concerns are sufficiently limited, Ockham's Razor cuts differently, it is also true that one frequently misses opportunity by donning such blinders. On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:40 PM, H Veeder

[Vo]:Magnetism doesn't exist

2014-02-04 Thread John Berry
Except for when I have written it, I have never seen the words Magnetism doesn't exist written. But this confuses me because while the illusion of magnetism is pretty convincing we can all agree the expected forces in any magnetic situation are electric at each end (magnetic fields are created by

Re: [Vo]:Magnetism doesn't exist

2014-02-04 Thread leaking pen
may i suggest googling the phrase? 245 results. On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:25 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: Except for when I have written it, I have never seen the words Magnetism doesn't exist written. But this confuses me because while the illusion of magnetism is

Re: [Vo]:Magnetism doesn't exist

2014-02-04 Thread H Veeder
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:25 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: Except for when I have written it, I have never seen the words Magnetism doesn't exist written. But this confuses me because while the illusion of magnetism is pretty convincing we can all agree the expected forces in

Re: [Vo]:Magnetism doesn't exist

2014-02-04 Thread John Berry
Pen, googling it finds results but I have not found anything that are saying the same things. For instance lines such as 'animal magnetism doesn't exist', or some other specific form of magnetism. Or 'magnetism doesn't exist by your logic...' Harry, you lost me. But saying magnetism is an

Re: [Vo]:Magnetism doesn't exist

2014-02-04 Thread leaking pen
John, don't forget the around the line when googling to get exact phrase only! On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:58 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: Pen, googling it finds results but I have not found anything that are saying the same things. For instance lines such as 'animal

Re: [Vo]:Magnetism doesn't exist

2014-02-04 Thread James Bowery
There has been recent mainstream interest, primarily by Carver Meadhttp://www.amazon.com/Collective-Electrodynamics-Quantum-Foundations-Electromagnetism/dp/0262632608, in reifying the vector potential A possibly at the expense of the B field. On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:25 PM, John Berry

Re: [Vo]:Magnetism doesn't exist

2014-02-04 Thread Bob Cook
: [Vo]:Magnetism doesn't exist On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:25 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: Except for when I have written it, I have never seen the words Magnetism doesn't exist written. But this confuses me because while the illusion of magnetism is pretty convincing

Re: [Vo]:Magnetism doesn't exist

2014-02-04 Thread David Roberson
in many instances. Dave -Original Message- From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:42 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Magnetism doesn't exist On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:25 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: Except for when I have

Re: [Vo]:Magnetism doesn't exist

2014-02-04 Thread H Veeder
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:58 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: Pen, googling it finds results but I have not found anything that are saying the same things. For instance lines such as 'animal magnetism doesn't exist', or some other specific form of magnetism. Or 'magnetism doesn't

Re: [Vo]:Magnetism doesn't exist

2014-02-04 Thread John Berry
Ah, got it. Well according to SR all motion or stillness is an illusion. But I think a better analogy would be calling someone by a different name because when they are moving their face looks motion blurred. One important point is that if a magnetic field is created by a net charged object in

Re: [Vo]:Magnetism doesn't exist

2014-02-04 Thread H Veeder
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Harry-- A photon--light is thought to be an electric field and an orthogonal magnetic field which oscillate with an amplitude and frequency characteristic of the energy of the photon, and propagate through space empty