Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-31 Thread Chemical Engineer
So Ni micropowder mixed with a dielectric micropowder, hydrogen and argon mixture under elevated pressure and temperature and a Champion spark plug... I think i saw a big old ground wire connected to the reactor to prevent a shocking discovery On Monday, January 30, 2012, Axil Axil

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: So Ni micropowder mixed with a dielectric micropowder, hydrogen and argon mixture under elevated pressure and temperature and a Champion spark plug... Plus, possibly, potassium. (And alliteration and assonance.) T

RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-30 Thread Jones Beene
This thread on isotopic enrichment of nickel, from a couple of weeks ago, is being revived in light of the recent mention from DGT that they are still trying different catalysts . . which is about as close to an admission that they do not really know Rossi's secret, as we will get at this

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-30 Thread Peter Gluck
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This thread on isotopic enrichment of nickel, from a couple of weeks ago, is being revived in light of the recent mention from DGT that they are still “trying different catalysts” … ** ** … which is about as

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-30 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Jones, There was some conjecture that even sputtering can accomplish a crude form of enrichment. Fran From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 11:39 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment This thread on isotopic enrichment

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
Well, I sent the following inquires, I just found 1 lab. If you want to help me: Please, I would like to know the prices of enriched Nickel 62 and Nickel 64 to 20% and 50% purity. If possible, I would like to know how the costs of a mixture of Ni 62 and 64 at 20% and 50% purity, at natural

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-30 Thread Wolf Fischer
Jones, if they don't know Rossis catalyst - why do they allow independent parties to test the reactor? They seem to be pretty sure about what they are doing. Perhaps they are just trying to optimize the reaction? Wolf This thread on isotopic enrichment of nickel, from a couple of weeks

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-30 Thread Alain Sepeda
maybe the problem is not reaction efficiency. it seems they have a working reactor, with a COP 20 as they propose to check in the test. (assuming they are normal serious business they won't lie. and their communication looks that they prefer to silent than to lie) and it seem celani recently

RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-30 Thread Jones Beene
From: Roarty, Francis X * * There was some conjecture that even sputtering can accomplish a crude form of enrichment. I can't see nickel sputtering making a significant difference in enrichment at all. Is there any real evidence? Even a faction of a percent gain is doubtful from

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Lynn
It extremely unlikely that Ni enrichment is being employed, regardless of Rossi's claims. Even without knowledge of the mechanism for LENR how would a hydrogen atom ever know if it was interacting with Ni 62 or Ni 64? The coulomb barrier is identical for both. But assuming that only one Ni

RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-30 Thread Jones Beene
Wolf - How can you say that DGT is sure - when they do not even have calorimetry set up on any reactor ? That does not inspire confidence that they are as far along as we had thought. If they simply used the Thermacore formula of 1993, except for going to nano nickel - then they would show

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-30 Thread Roarty, Francis X
effect : http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg47143.html Fran _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 1:01 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment From: Roarty

RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-30 Thread Jones Beene
From: Roarty, Francis X * There was some conjecture that even sputtering can accomplish a crude form of enrichment. I can't see nickel sputtering making a significant difference in enrichment at all. Is there any real evidence? Jones, The discussion was regarding the Soret effect :

RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-30 Thread Jones Beene
Two problems with that assessment, Robert. First, look at fission reactors as metaphor. 235U is found in a similar ratio to 64Ni in the natural metal (slightly less), and yet a fission reactor using natural U will not work reliably over time, without heavy water - or unless the U has been

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-30 Thread Roarty, Francis X
...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 1:42 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment From: Roarty, Francis X * There was some conjecture that even sputtering can accomplish a crude form of enrichment. I can't see nickel sputtering making a significant

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-30 Thread Axil Axil
Ni62 and Ni64 enrichment is an assumption. I will now be pleased to offer another possible reason for a catalyst change. My theory of operation regarding the Rossi reaction indicates that the job of the catalyst is to produce Rydberg atoms so that they can be used as feedstock in the production

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-22 Thread Harry Veeder
shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote: *From:* Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:46 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com mailto:shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote:    Rossi lied about the BBB being shipped

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-22 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: There was never any hard evidence it had been moved. Terry ( I think) remarked on voretx a day or so after the test that a tractor trailer drove off with it as if someone witnessed the departure, but he was really just

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-22 Thread Harry Veeder
ahh thanks for that reminder! So in a sense I added to the lie. Sorry folks. Harry (Damn that talking dog!) harry On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: There was never any hard

[Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Jones Beene
As mentioned in prior posting - Ni-64 costs about $3 per gram from a medical supplier. We checked the ones near Rossi's former lab in NH and no one remembers him or the name Leonardo (LTI, or EON). The reason for checking was to see if Rossi started out this way first before finding a less

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
You are giving the number for a high purity isotope, like 99.99%. In other thread, I was talking about an extremely dirty mixture of Ni62+Ni64 and a bunch of other isotopes, no problem if it is 50% of other stuff. 2012/1/21 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net As mentioned in prior posting - Ni-64

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
Subject: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment As mentioned in prior posting - Ni-64 costs about $3 per gram from a medical supplier. We checked the ones near Rossi's former lab in NH and no one remembers him or the name Leonardo (LTI, or EON). The reason for checking was to see if Rossi started out this way

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
think he found a much better money maker than selling E-Cats. From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment You are giving the number for a high purity isotope, like

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
:* Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:44 PM *Subject:* [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment As mentioned in prior posting - Ni-64 costs about $3 per gram from a medical supplier. We checked the ones near Rossi's former lab in NH and no one

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Axil Axil
be available before Christmas. -- *From:* Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:44 PM *Subject:* [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment As mentioned in prior posting - Ni-64 costs about $3 per gram from a medical

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
selling E-Cats. -- *From:* Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:47 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment You are giving the number for a high purity isotope, like 99.99%. In other thread, I

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment You mean Cu 65 and Cu63. That's the ash. 2012/1/21 John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com Thanks for reposting that information. So, if the fuel or ash from an E-Cat contained excess 64-Ni

RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Jones Beene
Yes, we need to know four things from Sweden: the ratio of Ni isotopes in both the fuel and ash, and the ratio of copper isotopes in both the fuel and ash. That will tell volumes, when compared to natural ratios. If the copper in the ash is natural isotopic ratio - as I suspect, then that

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
an achievement! -- *From:* Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com *To:* John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:19 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment You mean Cu 65 and Cu63. That's the ash. 2012/1/21 John Milstone john_sw_orla

RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Jones Beene
From: John Milstone * Reducing the cost of a gram of 64Ni from $30,000 to $0.04 is quite an achievement! As Daniel implies, that is not the correct comparison. It could easily be the case that Rossi has found that nickel with ~10% 64Ni and ~15% 62Ni works well, and that this

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
I think this is the crucial step, really, if Rossi claims are somehow to be believed. Taking your figures to Celani's experiment, he would get peaks of hundreds of watts and piantelli in the same range of Rossi, that is, around thousands of watts. 2012/1/21 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Peter Gluck
There is only one cheap method to separate or enrich significantly the Ni isotopes: by persuasion, convincing them to separate. Rossi is sometimes, rarely telling things that are not true. But are interesting, beyond any doubt. On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
I don't really see the reason why not enriching Ni62 - Ni64 to 20% would be very expensive.That's a purity level 500-5000 lower than those that leave only one isotope pure. 2012/1/21 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com There is only one cheap method to separate or enrich significantly the Ni

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
. From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment Why to 0.04$? To 100$ would be a great thing too. 

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
that is within several orders of magnitude of what Rossi *must* have, if he's really selling 100g of fuel for $10. From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment I don't really

RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Jones Beene
The most interesting set of facts that can come out of the Swedish analysis (if we the public do get to see the report) is IF the fuel is enriched in 64Ni but the copper in the ash is natural ratio. That will essentially mean that some kind of non-transmutation reaction is occurring but with

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
really selling 100g of fuel for $10. -- *From:* Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:18 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment I don't really see the reason why not enriching Ni62 - Ni64 to 20% would

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment What Rossi does cannot be done with heavier radioactive elements. Their weight difference is too small. Nickel is one of the elements with the highest range of stable isotopes. 

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
greatly enriched from their natural isotope ratios. -- *From:* Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com *To:* John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:31 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment What Rossi does cannot be done with heavier

RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Jones Beene
From: John Milstone * I have yet to hear of any enrichment method that is within several orders of magnitude of what Rossi *must* have, if he's really selling 100g of fuel for $10. Then why even attempt to believe it? Yes that one is absolutely false beyond any reasonable doubt - and

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
, January 21, 2012 2:45 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment From: John Milstone *    I have yet to hear of any enrichment method that is within several orders of magnitude of what Rossi *must* have, if he's really selling 100g of fuel for $10. Then why even attempt to believe it? Yes

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Nigel Dyer
I continue to be reminded of a (Isaac Asimov?) science fiction story I read as a child where a group of scientists are shown a film of what they are told is an anti gravity machine, which takes off, flies a bit then blows up. They are told that the inventer, the only person who knew how it

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Axil Axil
blind faith. -- *From:* Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:45 PM *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment From: John Milstone *I have yet to hear of any enrichment method that is within several orders

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: As mentioned in prior posting - Ni-64 costs about $3 per gram from a medical supplier. We checked the ones near Rossi's former lab in NH and no one remembers him or the name Leonardo (LTI, or EON). The reason for

RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Jones Beene
Ha! If that group of scientists had Defkalion in their name, then it would be a fitting segue to another Sci-Fi story, no? -Original Message- From: Nigel Dyer I continue to be reminded of a (Isaac Asimov?) science fiction story I read as a child where a group of scientists are shown a

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote: I continue to be reminded of a (Isaac Asimov?) science fiction story I read as a child where a group of scientists are shown a film of what they are told is an anti gravity machine, which takes off, flies a bit then blows

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote: I continue to be reminded of a (Isaac Asimov?) science fiction story I read as a child where a group of scientists are shown a film of what they are

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Found it!!!  It was Raymond F. Jones, author of This Island Earth and Forbidden Planet. You know, of course, that Giuseppe Levi starred in the movie This Island Earth. T attachment: levi.JPG

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: You know, of course, that Giuseppe Levi starred in the movie This Island Earth. He actually built an inteROSSitor to get the part. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interocitor http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047577/ T

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
, 2012 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: You know, of course, that Giuseppe Levi starred in the movie This Island Earth. He actually built an inteROSSitor to get the part. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interocitor

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:09 PM, John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote: Ew!  We are all being PUNished. Not all. Just you uninformed newbies. I originally published this in April when we went over all things you are rehashing. T

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:09 PM, John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote: Ew!  We are all being PUNished. Not all.  Just you uninformed newbies.  I originally published this in April when we went over all

RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Terry sez: You know, of course, that Giuseppe Levi starred in the movie This Island Earth. OMG! The resemblance is striking. What does this really mean! Oh dear! Oh dear! Oh dear! Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:19 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Oh dear! Oh dear! Oh dear! All your BBBs are belong to us! T

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote: So, you're saying that Jed Rothwell is wrong when he has stated repeatedly that he has never caught Rossi lying about his work? No, the Ni claims are not based on Rossi's own work, and they are mostly theoretical. We discussed this at length. I

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote: I continue to be reminded of a (Isaac Asimov?) science fiction story I read as a child where a group of scientists are shown a film of what they are told is an anti gravity machine, which takes off, flies a bit then blows

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Shaun Taylor
On 22/01/2012 11:08 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com mailto:john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote: So, you're saying that Jed Rothwell is wrong when he has stated repeatedly that he has never caught Rossi lying about his work? No, the Ni claims are not based

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi lied about the BBB being shipped to a secret customer. He never told Lewan it shipped. Lewan knew it was in the workshop the whole time. Rossi made no effort to cover this up. So if was a lie, it was pointless, and not covered up. I would

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Ask Leonard Susskind. Who he is: http://fora.tv/2007/01/24/Cosmic_Landscape T

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Shaun Taylor
On 22/01/2012 12:16 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com mailto:shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote: Oh bullshit. He can't con other people's thermocouples, or replications thousands of miles away from him, in labs he has never been to. He has no supernatural powers. Stop

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
. John From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote: So, you're saying that Jed Rothwell is wrong

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
That might have some value if Lewan mentioned it *before* this issue blew up in Rossi's face. From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment Shaun Taylor

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Shaun Taylor
*From:* Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:46 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com mailto:shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi lied about the BBB being shipped to a secret customer. He