Re: [Vo]:Nuke causes massive power outage
Mike Carrell wrote: Jed, you got this wrong. The power outage was caused by a fault at a substation, which disturbed the network and pieces of it disconnected to prevent damage to eqluipment. . . . The nuclear plant *did not cause the shutdown*. Yup. Later reports confirm that. Here's one: http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/27/florida.power/index.html Florida probes how small mishaps caused massive outages MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- Florida authorities are investigating how a small fire and a switch failure at an electrical substation outside Miami triggered a power failure that affected millions of people. When a nuclear power plant sensed the disruption, it shut down. In turn, the state's power grid triggered rolling blackouts Tuesday across the state. . . . As I said in the book, with something like cold fusion it would be better not to have a grid. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Nuke causes massive power outage
Howdy Jed, One of the 20 worse polluting USA coal fired electric power plants, The FPP plant ,Fayette county Texas has a problem. Seems their effort in finally getting the scrubber installed ( a little oversight when constructing it some 40 years ago...) hmmm. the concrete foundation for the new dual new scrubber failed inspection. To give you some idea of the enormity of the problem, the concrete slab will have to be broken up and removed . It is 70 feet in diameter and 8 feet thcik with reinforcing steel oh ! I forgot to mention the deep pier pilings under the slab are too difficult to remove so they will re-inforce the piers. The trick will be to drill holes in the slab and fill with a type of expanding grout to fracture the concrete into pieces for removal. Comment with the report.. it is obvious there will be a delay in completing our environmental improvements. This plant is owned by the state of Texas and the city of Austin... pristine in their thinking and rightousness in going after any polluter but their own. Not to be outdone.. as no Texas power producer can .. the Houston ship channel industries old Reliant power plant, one of 4 fallen into bankruptcy because of rising fuel costs and too broke to install pollution equipment, was resurrected from the dead and sold for 450m and change. The new owners will be given time to work out their pollution problems. No place but Texas, where no man's life nor property is safe when the legislature is in session. Not to worry says the regulators.. we in Texas are way ahead of the curve because the US is in serious trouble and face catastrophic electric power shortages across the nation this year caused by an aging infrastructure and by environmentalists causing delays in new plant construction. Richard
Re: [Vo]:Nuke causes massive power outage
if this were true, if there would be a shortage due to time taken to make a safer cleaner plant, well, then we need a shortage! On 2/27/08, R C Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Jed, One of the 20 worse polluting USA coal fired electric power plants, The FPP plant ,Fayette county Texas has a problem. Seems their effort in finally getting the scrubber installed ( a little oversight when constructing it some 40 years ago...) hmmm. the concrete foundation for the new dual new scrubber failed inspection. To give you some idea of the enormity of the problem, the concrete slab will have to be broken up and removed . It is 70 feet in diameter and 8 feet thcik with reinforcing steel oh ! I forgot to mention the deep pier pilings under the slab are too difficult to remove so they will re-inforce the piers. The trick will be to drill holes in the slab and fill with a type of expanding grout to fracture the concrete into pieces for removal. Comment with the report.. it is obvious there will be a delay in completing our environmental improvements. This plant is owned by the state of Texas and the city of Austin... pristine in their thinking and rightousness in going after any polluter but their own. Not to be outdone.. as no Texas power producer can .. the Houston ship channel industries old Reliant power plant, one of 4 fallen into bankruptcy because of rising fuel costs and too broke to install pollution equipment, was resurrected from the dead and sold for 450m and change. The new owners will be given time to work out their pollution problems. No place but Texas, where no man's life nor property is safe when the legislature is in session. Not to worry says the regulators.. we in Texas are way ahead of the curve because the US is in serious trouble and face catastrophic electric power shortages across the nation this year caused by an aging infrastructure and by environmentalists causing delays in new plant construction. Richard -- That which yields isn't always weak.
Re: [Vo]:Nuke causes massive power outage
R C Macaulay wrote: Not to be outdone.. as no Texas power producer can .. the Houston ship channel industries old Reliant power plant, one of 4 fallen into bankruptcy because of rising fuel costs and too broke to install pollution equipment, was resurrected from the dead and sold for 450m and change. The new owners will be given time to work out their pollution problems. No place but Texas, where no man's life nor property is safe when the legislature is in session. Not to worry says the regulators.. On the other hand, let's give Texas and it previous Gov. G. W. Bush credit for progress in wind power. They are doing a remarkable job. See: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/23/business/23wind.html?scp=1sq=texas+windst=nyt Move Over, Oil, Theres Money in Texas Wind SWEETWATER, Tex. The wind turbines that recently went up on Louis Brookss ranch are twice as high as the Statue of Liberty, with blades that span as wide as the wingspan of a jumbo jet. More important from his point of view, he is paid $500 a month apiece to permit 78 of them on his land, with 76 more on the way. Thats just money youre hearing, he said as they hummed in a brisk breeze recently. Texas, once the oil capital of North America, is rapidly turning into the capital of wind power. After breakneck growth the last three years, Texas has reached the point that more than 3 percent of its electricity, enough to supply power to one million homes, comes from wind turbines. Texans are even turning tapped-out oil fields into wind farms, and no less an oilman than Boone Pickens is getting into alternative energy. I have the same feelings about wind, Mr. Pickens said in an interview, as I had about the best oil field I ever found. He is planning to build the biggest wind farm in the world, a $10 billion behemoth that could power a small city by itself. . . . I like wind because its renewable and its clean and you know you are not going to be dealing with a production decline curve, Mr. Pickens said. Decline curves finally wore me out in the oil business. At the end of 2007, Texas ranked No. 1 in the nation with installed wind power of 4,356 megawatts (and 1,238 under construction), far outdistancing Californias 2,439 megawatts (and 165 under construction). Minnesota and Iowa came in third and fourth with almost 1,300 megawatts each (and 46 and 116 under construction, respectively). . . . 4,356 MW nameplate translates into about about 1,400 MW actual, or 1.6 average U.S. nukes. That's very significant generating capacity! This fellow Louis Brooks is making $39,000 per month for doing essentially nothing! He just collects the checks. He will soon be making $77,000. That kind of money talks. People like him will ensure that the coal industry does not block the development of wind power. - Jed
[Vo]:Nuke causes massive power outage
This is unusual. These things are highly reliable. Nuclear Plant Shutdown Causes Massive Florida Power Outages February 26, 2008: 05:23 PM EST MIAMI (AP)--A problem with the electrical grid in Florida caused power outages stretching from Miami up almost to Jacksonville that affected as many as 3 million people Tuesday and caused a nuclear plant to automatically shut down, officials with the state's largest utility said. . . .
Re: [Vo]:Nuke causes massive power outage
Jed, you got this wrong. The power outage was caused by a fault at a substation, which disturbed the network and pieces of it disconnected to prevent damage to eqluipment. The nuclear plant connected to the grid was also vulnerable, so it disonnected and shut down it reactor for safety. The nuclear plant *did not cause the shutdown*. The power grid is a huge amount of alternating current surging back and forth. Every connected generator has to operate in synchrony or risk spectacular destruction. Thus disconect or die. This is inherent in the system and is carefully managed. Someday there may be coordinated distributed generators, but that is decades away. Mike Carrell - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:21 PM Subject: [Vo]:Nuke causes massive power outage This is unusual. These things are highly reliable. Nuclear Plant Shutdown Causes Massive Florida Power Outages February 26, 2008: 05:23 PM EST MIAMI (AP)--A problem with the electrical grid in Florida caused power outages stretching from Miami up almost to Jacksonville that affected as many as 3 million people Tuesday and caused a nuclear plant to automatically shut down, officials with the state's largest utility said. . . . This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T. Department.
