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Joseph Fine October 10th, 2012 at 2:58 PM Andrea Rossi, Does the power rating of a module (1 kW, 5 kW, 10 kW) affect the time of startup or shutdown? If smaller or lower power modules heat up faster than larger ones (or vice versa), it might be possible to ramp up or rampdown a startup or shutdown by sequencing the startup or shutdown of several modules in order to avoid major power jumps. Joseph Fine Andrea Rossi October 10th, 2012 at 5:28 PM Dear Dr Joseph Fine: no, it does not affect. We are close to present our 1 MW Hot cat, which will have a tremendous elasticity. I think that at Pordenone we will get some fun. Warm Regards, A.R. drew October 10th, 2012 at 2:52 PM Dear Andrea You published a little while ago the hotcat now has steam and pressure to produce electricity, when do you expect to start trials with turbines etc to make electricity? Andrea Rossi October 10th, 2012 at 5:31 PM Dear drew: as soon as possible, hopefully in 2013. Warm Reards, A.R.
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Whats up with a new E-CAT Meeting Scheduled for Pordenone, Italy on Oct 12. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=733cpage=7#comment-343916 Andrea Rossi October 2nd, 2012 at 3:17 PM Dear Steven N. Karels: Your question is inspiring: well, I will not go to Pordenone to clean the Dolomites with the wax: it is possible that in the Pordenione convention I will bring the final results regarding the third party validation of the Hot Cat. It is not certain, some work has still to be done, but it is not impossible. ( He,he,he,he ) Warm Regards, A.R. http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/10/3603/ Program for Pordenone E-Cat ConferencePROGRAM At 15:00 Mr. Franco Scolari General Pordenone Technology Greetings and introduction At 15:30 Arch Gianvico Pirazzini Leonardo Corporation Introduction to the E-Cat At 15:45 Mr. Fulvio Fabiani Leonardo Corporation The E-Cat: aspects of installation and safety At 16:00 Mr. Andrea Rossi Leonardo Corporation CEO of E-Cat Energy from cold fusion Nickel At 16:30 Round Table will be: Dr. Salvatore Majorana Director of Technology Transfer IIT Dr. Riccardo Sabatini SISSA Trieste research group on computational modeling Prof. Franco Battaglia ing Department. Materials and Environment University of Modena and Reggio Emilia Giovanni Petris Head Office environment, energy policy and the mountain region FVG Dr. George Cecco Regional Coordinator FareAmbiente FVG At 18:00 Paolo Santin Regional Councillor PDL Friuli Venezia Giulia Greetings closing - - - - A previous report had Rossi talking FOR 15 hours -- rather than AT 15:00 hours -- now up to 16 Hours
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Alan, ( He,he,he,he…) ... I see you left out the next sentence ... Dear Steven N. Karels: Your question is inspiring: well, I will not go to Pordenone to clean the tops of the Dolomites with the wax: it is possible that in the Pordenione convention I will bring the final results regarding the third party validation of the Hot Cat. It is not certain, some work has still to be done, but it is not impossible. ( He,he,he,he…) We are working like beasts on the Hot Cat, in the USA as well as in Italy, and we are making something quite useful. Warm Regards, A.R. The clean of the tops of the Dolomites with the wax and the he-he-ing seem unusually odd even for Rossi ... Does anyone know if the former is a bad translation of a colloquialism? [mg] On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: What’s up with a new E-CAT Meeting Scheduled for Pordenone, Italy on Oct 12. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=733cpage=7#comment-343916 Andrea Rossi October 2nd, 2012 at 3:17 PM Dear Steven N. Karels: Your question is inspiring: well, I will not go to Pordenone to clean the Dolomites with the wax: it is possible that in the Pordenione convention I will bring the final results regarding the third party validation of the Hot Cat. It is not certain, some work has still to be done, but it is not impossible. ( He,he,he,he…) Warm Regards, A.R. http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/10/3603/ Program for Pordenone E-Cat ConferencePROGRAM At 15:00 Mr. Franco Scolari – General Pordenone Technology Greetings and introduction At 15:30 Arch Gianvico Pirazzini – Leonardo Corporation Introduction to the E-Cat At 15:45 Mr. Fulvio Fabiani – Leonardo Corporation The E-Cat: aspects of installation and safety At 16:00 Mr. Andrea Rossi – Leonardo Corporation CEO of E-Cat – Energy from cold fusion Nickel At 16:30 Round Table – will be: Dr. Salvatore Majorana Director of Technology Transfer IIT Dr. Riccardo Sabatini SISSA Trieste – research group on computational modeling Prof. Franco Battaglia ing Department. Materials and Environment University of Modena and Reggio Emilia Giovanni Petris Head Office environment, energy policy and the mountain region FVG Dr. George Cecco Regional Coordinator FareAmbiente FVG At 18:00 Paolo Santin Regional Councillor PDL Friuli Venezia Giulia Greetings closing - - - - A previous report had Rossi talking FOR 15 hours -- rather than AT 15:00 hours -- now up to 16 Hours
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At 12:33 PM 10/4/2012, Mark Gibbs wrote: The clean of the tops of the Dolomites with the wax and the he-he-ing seem unusually odd even for Rossi ... Does anyone know if the former is a bad translation of a colloquialism? I took it to mean skiing : (wiki) A tourist mecca, the Dolomites are famous for skiing in the winter months ... he-he-he ... I suspect he has something up his sleeve.
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Cleaning the top of the dolomites with wax is a metaphor for wasting time doing something useless On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 12:33 PM 10/4/2012, Mark Gibbs wrote: The clean of the tops of the Dolomites with the wax and the he-he-ing seem unusually odd even for Rossi ... Does anyone know if the former is a bad translation of a colloquialism? I took it to mean skiing : (wiki) A tourist mecca, the Dolomites are famous for skiing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skiing in the winter months ... he-he-he ... I suspect he has something up his sleeve. -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
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yes, after collaboration with Kresenn, he is working with LENR Cars CTO (Antoine Guillemin) for a replication under Fleishmann Memorial open replication project... If it succeed in a replicable toy experiment, it can convince. I'm jusr afraid that it failed like Spawar replication kit... working but ignored. 2012/10/2 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: The most worrisome thing is that indeed Celani's quantum reactor does resemble that of Rossi's, because he too refuses any independent confirmation or replication of his technology . . . That is incorrect. He is assisting other people who are testing and independently replicating. He allowed the people at NI to replace all of his equipment with their own. They kept only the cell itself. - Jed
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On 2012-10-03 08:50, Alain Sepeda wrote: yes, after collaboration with Kresenn, he is working with LENR Cars CTO (Antoine Guillemin) for a replication under Fleishmann Memorial open replication project... Interesting; do you know more information or are you in contact with Guillemin or Chauvin from LENR-Cars? As far as I know they should have obtained all the necessary materials to make such replication. If it succeed in a replicable toy experiment, it can convince. I'm jusr afraid that it failed like Spawar replication kit... working but ignored. We're talking, if correctly replicated, of a few dozen watts of excess heat significantly greater than the input energy (with a single wire). I imagine that since Celani's constantan material shows an anomalous heat behavior even just when merely heated, that increasing the amount of active wires inside the reactor would make the effect even more noticeable. If this is confirmed and validated by reputable third parties, it cannot be ignored. It's too big. Cheers, S.A.
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all I have is from the video of discussion of N Chauvin with a student on you tube, and people commenting it. 2012/10/3 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com On 2012-10-03 08:50, Alain Sepeda wrote: yes, after collaboration with Kresenn, he is working with LENR Cars CTO (Antoine Guillemin) for a replication under Fleishmann Memorial open replication project... Interesting; do you know more information or are you in contact with Guillemin or Chauvin from LENR-Cars? As far as I know they should have obtained all the necessary materials to make such replication. If it succeed in a replicable toy experiment, it can convince. I'm jusr afraid that it failed like Spawar replication kit... working but ignored. We're talking, if correctly replicated, of a few dozen watts of excess heat significantly greater than the input energy (with a single wire). I imagine that since Celani's constantan material shows an anomalous heat behavior even just when merely heated, that increasing the amount of active wires inside the reactor would make the effect even more noticeable. If this is confirmed and validated by reputable third parties, it cannot be ignored. It's too big. Cheers, S.A.
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At 09:57 AM 10/2/2012, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: It has now been one year since Rossi's big demonstration. Products were to come out at the end of last year, then in the Summer of 2012. Now its one year later and there is nothing. No products, no independent tests by a reputable group. I predict that even Jed will give up within the next five years. My operating hypothesis with Rossi, aside from the minor possibility of Total Fraud, is that he actually did find significant heat, sometimes. He might even have had some cells that produced significant heat for a long time, but that he had not actually learned to control the reaction to make it reliable, and reliability is crucial for a commercial product. Inventors tend to believe that they can solve any problem. Some inventors have been known to jump the gun, so to speak, to announce a product before the last details are worked out. And then, needing to demonstrate it, some inventors have been known to create exaggerated demonstrations. (After all, we'll have it fixed by next month.) That there is some level of legitimacy to a need to keep the exact invention secret provides a ready excuse. What I've written here is only conjecture. It was, however, behind my advice to the LENR community, when Rossi first made his big splash in early 2011, to not endorse Rossi's work without independent confirmation, because any failure to complete a commercial product would then reflect poorly on the cold fusion community. I would prefer to have been wrong. I also warned that for Rossi to depend on secrecy to maintain his intellectual property was foolish, it wouldn't work. Rossi may have tacked onto this a deliberate creation of an appearance of fraud, in an attempt to suppress independent attempts to find strong NiH effects. Time will tell. A lot of people are now working openly on NiH. The field has promise, though it is not scientifically established: with anything like the power of PdD LENR. It remains possible, at this point, that some unidentified artifacts are creating an appearance of excess heat. On the other hand, if Storms is correct and the NiH product is deuterium, I predict that the ash will be identified soon, within a year or two. Demonstrating deuterium as ash could be as simple as using seriously deuterium-depleted light water in the experiments, and finding a correlation between heat and deuterium abundance, as was done with heat and helium production in PdD experiments.
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On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: e) There are multiple reports of NiH generating excess energy (So Rossi must be faking something real?) That's the point I was trying to make when I noted there have been many other Ni-H reports. Rossi's claims seem similar to many others, especially Celani. Adjusting for the mass of material and the temperature they are in the same ball park. If Celani is right, it seems likely to me that Rossi is too. I doubt that Rossi is faking anything. I thought you said he employs lies as part of his business stragetgy? Frankly if he does lie in that respect, I don't trust anything he _says_ about his devices. harry Harry
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Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Time will tell. A lot of people are now working openly on NiH. Yup. I think Rossi deserves a lot of the credit for that. Not all of it. As far as I am concerned, Rossi has done no harm and plenty of good for this field. He is a rascal at times but harmless. Our reputation in the mass media is already so low he can't make it any worse. He rubs people the wrong way. He has a big mouth and he can be annoying but I do not think he has done anything wrong. Even if he is faking it, which I do not believe, he would mainly hurt himself, plus people such as Levi and EK. He would have no effect on the reputation of other researchers such as Fleischmann or McKubre. - Jed
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At 12:49 PM 10/2/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 07:57 AM 10/2/2012, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: It has now been one year since Rossi's big demonstration. Products were to come out at the end of last year, then in the Summer of 2012. Now its one year later and there is nothing. No products, no independent tests by a reputable group. From: Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com Apparently [1], by hearsay [2], something along those lines should come out at around mid-October but I'm personally not expecting much, or that this is even related to Rossi. Well, at least it costs nothing to keep following the latest news and developments. It's still wait and see time. a) The warm 1MW IS still listed for sale. b) The warm 1MW now has SOME kind of safety certification c) Something is happening on the hot eCat front d) We all said Rossi was nuts to sell directly to consumers without a UL (or equivalent) certification, which would take a long time e) There are multiple reports of NiH generating excess energy (So Rossi must be faking something real?) My responses: a. Means nothing. It takes nothing to list something for sale. b. Safety certification can be obtained with a nonfunctional product. c. Something is happening means more of the same old same old. d. Sure, in a way. But direct to consumers is not the first place to sell a product, plus it's possible to sell investigational products to consumers who are willing to accept risks. Selling directly to consumers would not mean, without safety certification, mass-marketing of a product. The consumers would really be the adventurous. And a sane seller would make sure that all risks were documented, that there was adequate provision for safety, even if that might be expensive. e. Yes. Rossi might be faking something real. Excess energy from NiH was reported long ago. That someone saw real or imagined excess energy tells us *nothing* about whether Rossi is getting excess energy. Rossi's claims, it should be recognized, were outliers, he was reporting far more energy than ever before seen, and implying that it was reliable. I do not think that Rossi is pure fraud, though it remains possible. Rather, more likely, it would explain much of his behavior, and the delays, he has exaggerated what he has, in some ways at least (saying that such and such will be ready on such and such a date is a form of exaggeration if that's not actually reasonable), and perhaps even to the extent of sometimes faking results. It's important to get this: that NiH might be real is no indicator at all of Rossi's honesty. None. Rossi has successfully created the appearance of being a con artist. Some of his defenders think that he is doing this deliberately, to throw off would--be snakes who might otherwise try to imitate his work and steal his rights. And those of us who don't have solid inside information, from independent sources, must consider that sometimes appearances are real. I can't tell the difference between a fake con artist and a real one, and, in fact, both are fakes, that's all I can tell. *Something* is fake here. (Or Rossi is totally stupid and unaware of how he's making himself look. Possible, perhaps, but not likely.) Rossi could quickly bypass all this by simply allowing independent verification of his claims. He hasn't done it. No, Rossi, at this point, stands exposed as someone who has no credibility. He did announce that it would all be over last October, that there would be no more room for doubt. He stood on this as an argument and a defense. You will all know. We don't know, except that we know nothing. We know that his prediction was false. He could easily recover, but doesn't, he just keeps on with the same bluster and confidence. As in confidence game, or con game. Con artists are those who design ways of gaining confidence, and people are con artists because it works. And this has practically nothing to do with science. Rossi has not provided or allowed the gathering of the necessary scientific data to understand the effect behind his heat claims. We have little, if anything, more from Defkalion, though Defkalion *looks* more credible. From Brillouin, we have even more information, though still not enough. NiH is far from an established, accepted phenomenon, compared to PdD. PdD may never be commercially practical as an approach, but we can be confident that fusion is actually taking place with PdD, the heavily-confirmed data leads to a *practical* certainty. NiH is clearly a promising approach, worthy of continued investigation. But we should not shut down PdD research, because of the scientific implications. Knowing and understanding what is happening in PdD remains a crucial research goal, and it might apply to or elucidate what happens with NiH.
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Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: b. Safety certification can be obtained with a nonfunctional product. Are you sure about that? I doubt it. Rossi has successfully created the appearance of being a con artist. Some of his defenders think that he is doing this deliberately, to throw off would--be snakes who might otherwise try to imitate his work and steal his rights. I think he is doing it deliberately, but that does not make me his defender. I think it is a stupid strategy. I think it will fail. Patterson had a similar strategy, for similar reasons. He deliberately made an unimpressive, crude demonstration. It failed to convince Motorola. I predicted it would fail when I saw it, and when he told me why it was so poorly constructed. Rossi could quickly bypass all this by simply allowing independent verification of his claims. He hasn't done it. He does not want to. That's what he says. I see no reason to doubt he means it. Patterson said exactly the same thing, for similar reasons. If Rossi sticks to this strategy I predict he will take his technology to the grave the way Patterson did. I see no way this strategy can succeed. If it begins to succeed the strategy will backfire and destroy any chance of success. That is what happened with Patterson, and I see it happening now with Rossi. NiH is clearly a promising approach, worthy of continued investigation. But we should not shut down PdD research, because of the scientific implications. Knowing and understanding what is happening in PdD remains a crucial research goal, and it might apply to or elucidate what happens with NiH. I agree. I think most researchers who continue to work with PdD would also agree. - Jed
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At 03:20 PM 10/3/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: b. Safety certification can be obtained with a nonfunctional product. Are you sure about that? I doubt it. Safety certification is according to codes that cover design. I very much doubt that specific safety codes exist for LENR devices; the certification obtained is very likely for the control systems. Will they burn up? Will the power short to the case? Stuff like that. Rossi has successfully created the appearance of being a con artist. Some of his defenders think that he is doing this deliberately, to throw off would--be snakes who might otherwise try to imitate his work and steal his rights. I think he is doing it deliberately, but that does not make me his defender. Okay, some random commentators think that. I've classified you as a defender because you think that he's not a fraud, per se. In the universe of relationships to Rossi, that's a defender. I think it is a stupid strategy. I think it will fail. Patterson had a similar strategy, for similar reasons. He deliberately made an unimpressive, crude demonstration. It failed to convince Motorola. I predicted it would fail when I saw it, and when he told me why it was so poorly constructed. Rossi could quickly bypass all this by simply allowing independent verification of his claims. He hasn't done it. He does not want to. That's what he says. I see no reason to doubt he means it. Patterson said exactly the same thing, for similar reasons. I don't doubt you. If Rossi sticks to this strategy I predict he will take his technology to the grave the way Patterson did. I see no way this strategy can succeed. If it begins to succeed the strategy will backfire and destroy any chance of success. That is what happened with Patterson, and I see it happening now with Rossi. Perhaps. Perhaps not. The problem is that if you make yourself look like a fraud, that's how the world might end up viewing you. It's a weird sort of dishonesty, but it's still dishonest. NiH is clearly a promising approach, worthy of continued investigation. But we should not shut down PdD research, because of the scientific implications. Knowing and understanding what is happening in PdD remains a crucial research goal, and it might apply to or elucidate what happens with NiH. I agree. I think most researchers who continue to work with PdD would also agree. Indeed. I can understand it if people want to focus on NiH. It's tempting. However, myself, I have a cabinet full of wire and other materials for SPAWAR type replications, heavy water, palladium chloride, etc. All dressed up with no place to go. So I'm going to use it. Still, I also have some stainless steel yarn (12 micron wire, 2x275 strands) and it would be fun to use a nickel cathode with the stainless as an anode and see what it does to some LR-115 radiation detectors. Cheap experiment. I've having some suspicions how about some hot deuterons?
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Still, I also have some stainless steel yarn (12 micron wire, 2x275 strands) and it would be fun to use a nickel cathode with the stainless as an anode and see what it does to some LR-115 radiation detectors. I have done this with several solvents, potash, sodium hydroxide, and weak acid (vinegar ect.). What I got was no radiation, no excess energy, and a red slop of ferric hydroxide. In the caustic solution the red slop from the stainless still anode does not form as quickly. (I.E. drain o does not hurt pipes) I have also done this under RF stimulation 3 t0 500 mega hertz) . The result is the same. I have tried it with titanium anodes. A film forms on the anode and tends to cut off the current. Copper anodes make a green slop. You have a choice, Do you want no energy with a red or a green slop. I still have more ideas to try but I have lost interest and motivation. Frank Znidarsic
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It has now been one year since Rossi's big demonstration. Products were to come out at the end of last year, then in the Summer of 2012. Now its one year later and there is nothing. No products, no independent tests by a reputable group. I predict that even Jed will give up within the next five years. Frank Z
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fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Now its one year later and there is nothing. No products, no independent tests by a reputable group. On the other hand, we do have independent replications of Ni-H heat by Celani and others. I never expected products from Rossi. I predict that even Jed will give up within the next five years. Give up what?!? - Jed
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Well, those are replications of NiH, not of Rossi's device. 2012/10/2 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Now its one year later and there is nothing. No products, no independent tests by a reputable group. On the other hand, we do have independent replications of Ni-H heat by Celani and others. I never expected products from Rossi. I predict that even Jed will give up within the next five years. Give up what?!? - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Frank sez: ... I predict that even Jed will give up within the next five years. This, of course, is an incredibly open-ended proclamation to make. I have no idea what you are claiming Mr. Rothwell will give up on. It is never a wise course of action to predict the behavior of another individual. Hell! I can't predict my own behavior from day to day, let alone the actions of another person. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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True enough but the verification of the NiH system is, itself, a condition for the reality of the Rossi effect. So to be rational, people have to distinguish between the probability of the Rossi effect being real GIVEN THAT the NiH system is real, and the probability that the Rossi effect is real GIVEN THAT we don't have information on the NiH system. To state that these two numbers are different is a little like saying that FZ is glib. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Well, those are replications of NiH, not of Rossi's device. 2012/10/2 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Now its one year later and there is nothing. No products, no independent tests by a reputable group. On the other hand, we do have independent replications of Ni-H heat by Celani and others. I never expected products from Rossi. I predict that even Jed will give up within the next five years. Give up what?!? - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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On 2012-10-02 16:57, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: its one year later and there is nothing. No products, no independent tests by a reputable group. Apparently [1], by hearsay [2], something along those lines should come out at around mid-October but I'm personally not expecting much, or that this is even related to Rossi. Well, at least it costs nothing to keep following the latest news and developments. I do remember Rossi writing a few weeks ago that a University report would come out at some point in October/November (originally within mid October). I'm not sure how he can expect people to quickly forget such a strong statement, if he changed his mind about it. By the way, the exclusive licensee for Italy ProMeteon s.r.l. [4] recently postponed their countdown on their website to November 1st. The website was supposed to open on October 1st. Cheers, S.A. [1] besides an E-Cat convention in Italy on October 12th [3]. I would figure that if Rossi really had nothing after so much time, he would probably avoid showing himself in public. [2] This was hinted by Daniele Passerini on his blog, but no definite information is available at the moment [3] http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=503104896385958set=a.184938998202551.46792.135474503149001type=1theater [4] http://www.prometeon.it/
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Does anyone here have information on the two other evenst that Daniele Passerinit talk about : 1- Ugo Abundo team conference at IIS Pirelli on that 20th of October 2- and a very interesting, very high scientific value that seems leaked by MISTERI commentator... http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=37t=669(supposed before the 20) 2012/10/2 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com On 2012-10-02 16:57, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: its one year later and there is nothing. No products, no independent tests by a reputable group. Apparently [1], by hearsay [2], something along those lines should come out at around mid-October but I'm personally not expecting much, or that this is even related to Rossi. Well, at least it costs nothing to keep following the latest news and developments. I do remember Rossi writing a few weeks ago that a University report would come out at some point in October/November (originally within mid October). I'm not sure how he can expect people to quickly forget such a strong statement, if he changed his mind about it. By the way, the exclusive licensee for Italy ProMeteon s.r.l. [4] recently postponed their countdown on their website to November 1st. The website was supposed to open on October 1st. Cheers, S.A. [1] besides an E-Cat convention in Italy on October 12th [3]. I would figure that if Rossi really had nothing after so much time, he would probably avoid showing himself in public. [2] This was hinted by Daniele Passerini on his blog, but no definite information is available at the moment [3] http://www.facebook.com/photo.**php?fbid=503104896385958set=** a.184938998202551.46792.**135474503149001type=1theaterhttp://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=503104896385958set=a.184938998202551.46792.135474503149001type=1theater [4] http://www.prometeon.it/
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On 2012-10-02 18:34, Alain Sepeda wrote: Does anyone here have information on the two other evenst that Daniele Passerinit talk about : 1- Ugo Abundo team conference at IIS Pirelli on that 20th of October I think they will report in a more traditional manner on the latest developments on their LENR reactor and third party validation / replications (I seem to remember that several were planned, but haven't read anymore about them on 22passi). Maybe earlier this year [1]. 2- and a very interesting, very high scientific value that seems leaked by MISTERI commentator... http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=37t=669 (supposed before the 20) Some are speculating this will be a University report about an independent E-Cat test. However, Passerini said he will attend this event (in addition to the other two he listed), so it's probably something more than just a report. We'll see. Cheers, S.A. [1] http://www.leopoldopirelli.it/index.php?menu=108cont=996lingua=it
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At 07:57 AM 10/2/2012, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: It has now been one year since Rossi's big demonstration. Products were to come out at the end of last year, then in the Summer of 2012. Now its one year later and there is nothing. No products, no independent tests by a reputable group. From: Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com Apparently [1], by hearsay [2], something along those lines should come out at around mid-October but I'm personally not expecting much, or that this is even related to Rossi. Well, at least it costs nothing to keep following the latest news and developments. It's still wait and see time. a) The warm 1MW IS still listed for sale. b) The warm 1MW now has SOME kind of safety certification c) Something is happening on the hot eCat front d) We all said Rossi was nuts to sell directly to consumers without a UL (or equivalent) certification, which would take a long time e) There are multiple reports of NiH generating excess energy (So Rossi must be faking something real?)
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Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: e) There are multiple reports of NiH generating excess energy (So Rossi must be faking something real?) That's the point I was trying to make when I noted there have been many other Ni-H reports. Rossi's claims seem similar to many others, especially Celani. Adjusting for the mass of material and the temperature they are in the same ball park. If Celani is right, it seems likely to me that Rossi is too. I doubt that Rossi is faking anything. - Jed
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On 2012-10-02 16:57, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: It has now been one year since Rossi's big demonstration. Products were to come out at the end of last year, then in the Summer of 2012. Now its one year later and there is nothing. No products, no independent tests by a reputable group. Just in: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=733cpage=7#comment-343732 Steven N. Karels October 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 AM Dear Andrea Rossi, What’s up with a new E-CAT Meeting Scheduled for Pordenone, Italy on Oct 12. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=733cpage=7#comment-343916 Andrea Rossi October 2nd, 2012 at 3:17 PM Dear Steven N. Karels: Your question is inspiring: well, I will not go to Pordenone to clean the Dolomites with the wax: it is possible that in the Pordenione convention I will bring the final results regarding the third party validation of the Hot Cat. It is not certain, some work has still to be done, but it is not impossible. ( He,he,he,he…) Warm Regards, A.R. We will see (maybe) if the third party validation will be actually from a completely independent group/entity. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:October is here
On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi's claims seem similar to many others, especially Celani. The most worrisome thing is that indeed Celani's quantum reactor does resemble that of Rossi's, because he too refuses any independent confirmation or replication of his technology, although technology is just too important to let into hands of few. ―Jouni
Re: [Vo]:October is here
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: The most worrisome thing is that indeed Celani's quantum reactor does resemble that of Rossi's, because he too refuses any independent confirmation or replication of his technology . . . That is incorrect. He is assisting other people who are testing and independently replicating. He allowed the people at NI to replace all of his equipment with their own. They kept only the cell itself. - Jed
