Re: [Vo]:Oil price elasticity: Cutting through the fog

2008-04-25 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
thomas malloy wrote: Taylor J. Smith wrote: Hi Stephen, Nice simulation; but human greed and stupidity, which are impossible to over-estimate, are not Personal reflections: I hope they're right. Not sure that I do. Does your calculation factor in an increase in the supply of oil

Re: [Vo]:Oil price elasticity: Cutting through the fog

2008-04-25 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:27:59 -0400: Hi, [snip] The whole point of the exercise is that we seem to have reached the world peak in oil production, and supply cannot be increased, due to lack of resources. [snip] I think a better definition of the oil peak

Re: [Vo]:Oil price elasticity: Cutting through the fog

2008-04-24 Thread Taylor J. Smith
Hi Stephen, Nice simulation; but human greed and stupidity, which are impossible to over-estimate, are not factored in. The current oil price bubble, which closely resembles the classic Dutch tulipmania, will probably go they way of all bubbles, since they depend on the 'greater fool'

Re: [Vo]:Oil price elasticity: Cutting through the fog

2008-04-24 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Taylor J. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Of course, the bubble will continue if the U. S. takes out the Iranian oil fields. Targeting the oil fields would be less strategic than targeting the only major refinery in Iran. Terry

Re: [Vo]:Oil price elasticity: Cutting through the fog

2008-04-24 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
There turned out to be some issues with the analysis I did. First, a brief bit of background which I left out: Elasticity of demand is the percentage by which demand changes for a given percentage change in the price. So, if elasticity is -1, then if the price increases by 10%, the amount

Re: [Vo]:Oil price elasticity: Cutting through the fog

2008-04-24 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:48:21 -0400: Hi, [snip] The conclusion was that it was caused by the DOE pumping high grade crude into the strategic reserve! Apparently their buy rate is high Which would make perfect sense if they were planning on hitting Iran.

Re: [Vo]:Oil price elasticity: Cutting through the fog

2008-04-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
I know little about economics, but a commentator on NPR today noted the following. Oil supplies are not as tight as they were, but the price of gasoline in the U.S. continues to rise because the dollar is weak. The dollar is weak for various reasons unrelated to energy, I gather. It is a pain

Re: [Vo]:Oil price elasticity: Cutting through the fog

2008-04-24 Thread thomas malloy
Taylor J. Smith wrote: Hi Stephen, Nice simulation; but human greed and stupidity, which are impossible to over-estimate, are not Personal reflections: I hope they're right. Not sure that I do. Does your calculation factor in an increase in the supply of oil which will result from

[Vo]:Oil price elasticity: Cutting through the fog

2008-04-23 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
There's so much outright garbage on the Internet about the price of oil, I decided to do a little crude modeling of my own to try to get a handle on this. My conclusion is that, using a trivial model and some simple historical values, it appears that oil may not get past $150 in the next year.

Re: [Vo]:Oil price elasticity: Cutting through the fog

2008-04-23 Thread OrionWorks
From Stephen Lawrence ... I was surprised -- I thought we were heading for the cliff a lot faster than this, and $200/bbl oil next year was a no-brainer. But, apparently not. Impressive analysis. Several weeks ago the Kiplinger Letter claimed that current commodity prices are