Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine. New idea!

2012-09-11 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 12:48 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 there was some discussion about this alleged perpetual motion machine. It
 was elegant, perhaps too elegant, and therefore it is probably a fake.

 Evolution of perpetual motion
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqG-TL0WnjE

 The idea is however simple and understandable and I refuse to believe that
 it is impossible, because I do not see how it could violate the quantum
 mechanics and the conservation of information.

what is the conservation of information?

 As we know, that it based on improved version of SMOT
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Magnetic_Overunity_Toy). SMOT itself is
 a failed perpetual motion machine, because no one has managed to return the
 iron ball back to the starting square. Therefore, no energy is created and
 friction will win.

 However I developed a magnetic switch that can be applied to weaken the
 starting point magnetic field by 20%. Therefore rotational energy should be
 enough to overcome the sticking point. And when sticking point is behind,
 magnets are again switched on by heating and new revolution is started with
 full force.

 As we discussed earlier, it takes about 360 mJ energy to align dipoles and
 magnetize 1 cm³ neodymium magnet. On the other hand, when magnet is
 demagnetized 360 mJ heat is released. The alignment process itself is just
 normal information processing that does not consume energy more than is
 required to account entropy.

 We can demonstrate that demagnetization is exothermic reaction if we are
 heating magnet to curie temperature, because it will take 360 mJ less energy
 than heating similar non-magnetized body to curie point. Demagnetization
 does not take energy, but it releases energy.

 Therefore we can use cooling as rudimentary switch mechanism. Neodymium
 magnets loses about 20% of magnetism when magnet is cooled from -150°C to
 -250°C. With other alloys this kind of 'phase transition' could be more
 prominent that changes the crystal lattice structure so that dipoles get
 even more misaligned. And when magnet is heated back above transition
 temperature (-150°C with neodymium magnet), magnet is again magnetized as
 dipole structure realigns. Hence this alignment and misalignment cycle can
 be fully reversible.

 This way we could get also SMOT-derived perpetual motion machine working
 continuously, if we turn off the magnets when wheel is approaching the
 sticking point. Therefore, as magnetic field is temporarily weakened with
 flash-cooling, rotational energy of the wheel would be sufficient for
 overcoming the sticking point (and friction).

 This cooling and heating cycle does not bring external energy to the system,
 because permanent magnets do not store energy. Therefore this cooling and
 heating idea will not nullify the idea of perpetual motion machine, because
 we do not use that heat energy for doing the work as a heat engine. This is
 also where magnetism differs from nitinol spring based heat engine.


Permanent magnets do not store energy contradicts your earlier
statement that demagnetisation releases energy.

 —Jouni

 For neodymium magnet behavior at cryogenic temperatures, see:
 http://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=temperature-and-neodymium-magnets

Harry



[Vo]:Perpetual motion machine. New idea!

2012-09-08 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Hello,

there was some discussion about this alleged perpetual motion machine. It
was elegant, perhaps too elegant, and therefore it is probably a fake.

*Evolution of perpetual motion*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqG-TL0WnjE

The idea is however simple and understandable and I refuse to believe that
it is impossible, because I do not see how it could violate the
quantum mechanics and the conservation of *information*.

As we know, that it based on improved version of SMOT (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Magnetic_Overunity_Toy). SMOT itself is
a failed perpetual motion machine, because no one has managed to return the
iron ball back to the starting square. Therefore, no energy is created and
friction will win.

However I developed a magnetic switch that can be applied to weaken the
starting point magnetic field by 20%. Therefore rotational energy should be
enough to overcome the sticking point. And when sticking point is behind,
magnets are again switched on by heating and new revolution is started with
full force.

As we discussed earlier, it takes about 360 mJ energy to align dipoles and
magnetize 1 cm³ neodymium magnet. On the other hand, when magnet is
demagnetized 360 mJ heat is released. The alignment process itself is just
normal information processing that does not consume energy more than is
required to account entropy.

We can demonstrate that demagnetization is exothermic reaction if we are
heating magnet to curie temperature, because it will take 360 mJ less
energy than heating similar non-magnetized body to curie point.
Demagnetization does not take energy, but it releases energy.

Therefore we can use cooling as rudimentary switch mechanism. Neodymium
magnets loses about 20% of magnetism when magnet is cooled from -150°C to
-250°C. With other alloys this kind of 'phase transition' could be more
prominent that changes the crystal lattice structure so that dipoles get
even more misaligned. And when magnet is heated back above transition
temperature (-150°C with neodymium magnet), magnet is again magnetized as
dipole structure realigns. Hence this alignment and misalignment cycle can
be fully reversible.

This way we could get also SMOT-derived perpetual motion machine working
continuously, if we turn off the magnets when wheel is approaching the
sticking point. Therefore, as magnetic field is temporarily weakened with
flash-cooling, rotational energy of the wheel would be sufficient for
overcoming the sticking point (and friction).

This cooling and heating cycle does not bring external energy to the
system, because permanent magnets do not store energy. Therefore this
cooling and heating idea will not nullify the idea of perpetual motion
machine, because we do not use that heat energy for doing the work as a
heat engine. This is also where magnetism differs from nitinol spring based
heat engine.

—Jouni

For neodymium magnet behavior at cryogenic temperatures, see:
http://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=temperature-and-neodymium-magnets