At 05:38 PM 2/21/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
His strategy might be reasonable. But a consequence of that strategy
is that I'm not going to believe that Rossi is a demonstration of cold fusion.
That's rather short-sighted of you.
Please do not confuse not going to believe with believe that it is not.
You do not know what is going on inside a Pd-D cathode either. You
can look right at it, and learn all there is to know from the ENEA
database, but you still do not know. If U. Bologna publishes a more
detailed, convincing report describing the 18-hour run, there will
be practically no room left to doubt this. David Kidwell told me
that if they could have the Rossi device in their 10 kW-scale
testbed at the NRL, they could conclude within an hour that it is
real, and they would not have to know the first thing about what is
inside it. (The testbed is described in ICCF-16 paper ET01. It is
way better than the U. Bologna calorimeter. It resembles the
industrial-scale testbed at Hydrodynamics, Inc., which was designed
by the Dean of Mech. Eng. at Georgia Tech. That system was
bulletproof as far as I know -- and as far as the Dean knew.)
As is quite traditional, I remain in some level of doubt until there
is independent confirmation. The more confirmation, the less doubt.
That's all. It's simply natural consequences. Lack of confirmation is
no proof of error, you know that. Even independent efforts to confirm
don't prove original error. Failure is failure.
Failure *can* be caused by original error, but it can also be
caused, easily, by uncontrolled variables.
So ... we need to wait, sometimes, if we want clarity and certainty.
There is some human discomfort with not knowing, so people rush to judgment.
Kidwell did say he would insist they conduct a test with Rossi not
present. I think this is slight case of magical thinking. I do not
see how a person standing in a room can affect dial thermometers and
watt-meters.
The person can insure that untoward interference doesn't happen.
It's merely a sign, Jed. Kidwell wasn't crazy.
I'm not going to claim that it's fraud, on the other hand. I'm going
to claim that *I don't know* and that I think I don't have enough
information to decide.
You will soon, if we get a better report from Levi. I think you can
be 95% sure it is real now. The fraud hypothesis is awfully far
fetched, and getter farther fetched with each new test. Frankly, I
don't think it is worth worrying about.
Well, Jed, I respect *to a degree* your judgment. I'm certainly much
more inclined to be friendly to Rossi's report because of your comments.
But that's all I can say, and that's good, otherwise we could get a
domino effect from trust relationships. It's better if we have
independent judgment.
Again, depending on so many details about which we know nothing, so
far, and may not ever know.
What do you mean we Kemo Sabe? (Quoting the old joke about the
Lone Ranger surrounded by hostile Indians.)
I mean that I think you do not have all the details, though you
certainly have more than I.
I've argued that making a huge fuss over Rossi simply discredits the
field . . .
I don't see why. For one thing, other researchers are not
responsible for what Rossi claims, except perhaps Focardi. Levi is
not a cold fusion research. Or he wasn't before Jan. 14.
It discredits the field because other scientists, reading about this,
and seeing the obvious reasons to be skeptical, if they see the cold
fusion researchers falling over themselves to praise Rossi or to
validate Rossi, see this as proof of their gullibility. I'm
suggesting prudence and caution, that's all.
Some of the damage will be done anyway. People are already using
Rossi as an example of overblown, inflated claims.
I don't see any damage.
I've seen it. Your turn to trust me, Jed.
People will say that it is fraud or inflated no matter who makes
what claim. Heck, they say that about Energetics Tech., even after
SRI replicated them spot on with some cathodes. So far I have not
seen any evidence that Rossi has made inflated claims. On the
contrary, he said it was 12 kW and it was probably closer to 15 kW.
That will not surprise anyone familiar with calorimetry. The method
they used was very lossy, as I said.
You are trusting evidence that has not been *independently*
confirmed. That's your choice! But the problem I'm talking about remains.
That could backfire, for them, but, then, if Rossi doesn't show up
with his 1 MW reactor, we end up looking very foolish.
I doubt he will complete that within a year! I am hoping we can
persuade him to let the NRL and others test the smaller gadget.
That's better than a 1 MW machine. More convincing, in a way.
I agree. However, Jed, Rossi doesn't agree, and can you see how this
increases my skepticism?
I sure as heck would not want to be present in Florida when they
turn on the big machine! The radiation
