Re: [Vo]:Something big is happening

[Che]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Robert Dorr  wrote:

>
> Watch the MFMP site (Quantumheat.org). It looks like a major announcement
> shortly.
>

Wouldn't it be swell if a major LENR breakthru came from an 'Open Source'
source...

Re: [Vo]:Something big is happening

[Eric Walker]

I wrote:

Electron capture is not what you would choose for a energy release, as all
> of the energy of the decay departs with the neutrino.
>

That should be, "electron capture is not what you would choose for a large
energy release ..."

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Something big is happening

[Eric Walker]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Daniel Rocha  wrote:

1h Thermal > x/β- emissions > Pb > IR/THz > 5h (SSM)
>

One possibility is induced electron capture in nickel and aluminum:

   - For 58Ni (68%), double beta plus decay is energetically allowed
   (electron capture competes with beta plus decay).
   - For 59Ni (trace), electron capture is an observed decay mode.
   - For 26Al (trace), electron capture is an observed decay mode.

Electron capture is not what you would choose for a energy release, as all
of the energy of the decay departs with the neutrino.  But when the capture
occurs, there's a transition in which the old electronic structure adapts
to the new nucleus, which has fewer protons, and there's an Augur cascade
which will result in lots of x-rays.

If there are any beta emitters present in the MFMP experiment, these may be
induced to increased activity by the same environment that would induce
electron capture.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Something big is happening

[Alberto De Souza]

Most of what MFMP mentions in their message to the donnors can be found in
the chat at: http://magicsound.us/MFMP/video/

It stops Friday, February 19, 7:28:31pm, though. It looks like interesting
stuff (their comments about excess heat) happened last Wednesday (I am
saying that based on MFMP's comments in their Facebook page).

Alberto.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Craig Haynie 
wrote:

> From: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project QuantumHeat.org
> [mailto:m.fleischmann.memor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 7:13 PM
> To: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project QuantumHeat.org
> 
> Subject: We. did. it... together.
>
> Dear Donor,
> During ICCF-17 in South Korea, shortly following the sad death of Dr.
> Martin Fleischmann, it became abundantly clear to a group of fresh
> attendees that the old approach to science, combined with the
> ostracisation of the great minds that had worked in the face of
> ridicule, was not delivering on the promise of of what we immediately
> called, “The New Fire”.
> It also was clear that there was something to investigate and we were
> morally bound to do it.
> We said that people would not believe, until they could experience it as
> if they were doing themselves and so the idea of Live Open Science was
> born. That was not enough, it had to be an effort that was free from
> commercial or government interests and that result and so it had to be
> conducted by the people, for the people. Our journey was made possible
> by the courage of Francesco Celani and we thank him profusely.
> Your donations played a critical role in realising this vision, but you
> know that, what we know you will want to hear is what we have to share
> tomorrow.
> We have been running and analysing an experiment live over the past
> Month. First for us in this experiment were:
> - Parkhomov Baking of Ni(correctly done)
> - Pre Hydrogenation of Ni
> - Proper baking out of cell under vacuum
> - Parkhomov pressure
> - Piantelli de-oxygenation
> - Piantelli 'loading' + proper dwell times
> - Piantelli capture analogue
> - Use of free Lithium
> - Use of calibrated NaI
> - Cycles attempting to create nano Ni distillates (inspired by “Bang!”
> discovery of dissolved Ni)
> - Long Run
> You can see that there are steps in there that came about only because
> of activities that were made possible by donations. The critical visits
> to Piantelli and Parkhomov.
> Around the beginning of the month we saw what appeared to be up to a COP
> of 1.2, not earth shattering, but sustained and robust and in line with
> both observations by others and the Lugano report when adjusted for
> correct emissivity. Over the next weeks we tried various bookend
> calibrations which supported this finding.
> We have said that only two paths would satisfy us:
> Statistically significant Isotopic or elemental shifts from Fuel to Ash
> Statistically significant emissions commensurate, correlating, or anti
> correlating to excess heat
> We are happy to tell you that we believe we have satisfied our condition
> 2, yet of course we’d like to replicate ourselves.  Actually, though, it
> goes much further than that. What we will share is that the way in which
> we discovered it and the journey of analysis that makes it virtually
> impossible to say that Rossi does not have what he claims. It also shows
> that, whilst he may have been optimistic in how fast this would play
> out, he has been telling the truth, quite openly for years. Not only
> that, nature itself has been telling the same story and it told us too.
> By the 16/02/2016 we had given up trying to destroy the *GlowStick* 5.2,
> part of a long lineage of []=Project Dog Bone=[] experiments. After the
> reactor was turned off, Alan shared the remainder of the data files from
> the NaI scintillator kindly donated by a project follower called Stephen
> (Thankyou Stephen, really).
> Project follower and open science legend, Ecco, first took a look at the
> data and found some anomalies - one SO striking that we thought there
> had been an equipment failure. We did not know the time that the
> anomalies occurred and had to wait until Alan woke to explain the time
> stamps so we could correlate it with the thermal and power data
> published live to HUGNet (Thankyou Ryan and Paul Hunt).
> To our extreme surprise, the onset of excess heat followed the massive
> anomaly in emissions and the minor anomalies were during and only during
> excess heat.
> This led us on a path of discovery, the sequence of which explains:
> The massive count signal discovered by Francesco Celani during Rossi’s
> first public demo
> How Rossi knew his reactor had started
> How the E-Cat generates excess heat
> How it self sustains
> How it can scale easily
> That it is safe
> It also showed us how replicators can know they have succeeded in
> 

Re: [Vo]:Something big is happening

[Craig Haynie]

From: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project QuantumHeat.org
[mailto:m.fleischmann.memor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 7:13 PM
To: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project QuantumHeat.org

Subject: We. did. it... together.
 
Dear Donor,
During ICCF-17 in South Korea, shortly following the sad death of Dr.
Martin Fleischmann, it became abundantly clear to a group of fresh
attendees that the old approach to science, combined with the
ostracisation of the great minds that had worked in the face of
ridicule, was not delivering on the promise of of what we immediately
called, “The New Fire”.
It also was clear that there was something to investigate and we were
morally bound to do it.
We said that people would not believe, until they could experience it as
if they were doing themselves and so the idea of Live Open Science was
born. That was not enough, it had to be an effort that was free from
commercial or government interests and that result and so it had to be
conducted by the people, for the people. Our journey was made possible
by the courage of Francesco Celani and we thank him profusely.
Your donations played a critical role in realising this vision, but you
know that, what we know you will want to hear is what we have to share
tomorrow.
We have been running and analysing an experiment live over the past
Month. First for us in this experiment were:
- Parkhomov Baking of Ni(correctly done)
- Pre Hydrogenation of Ni
- Proper baking out of cell under vacuum
- Parkhomov pressure
- Piantelli de-oxygenation
- Piantelli 'loading' + proper dwell times
- Piantelli capture analogue
- Use of free Lithium
- Use of calibrated NaI
- Cycles attempting to create nano Ni distillates (inspired by “Bang!”
discovery of dissolved Ni)
- Long Run
You can see that there are steps in there that came about only because
of activities that were made possible by donations. The critical visits
to Piantelli and Parkhomov.
Around the beginning of the month we saw what appeared to be up to a COP
of 1.2, not earth shattering, but sustained and robust and in line with
both observations by others and the Lugano report when adjusted for
correct emissivity. Over the next weeks we tried various bookend
calibrations which supported this finding.
We have said that only two paths would satisfy us:
Statistically significant Isotopic or elemental shifts from Fuel to Ash
Statistically significant emissions commensurate, correlating, or anti
correlating to excess heat
We are happy to tell you that we believe we have satisfied our condition
2, yet of course we’d like to replicate ourselves.  Actually, though, it
goes much further than that. What we will share is that the way in which
we discovered it and the journey of analysis that makes it virtually
impossible to say that Rossi does not have what he claims. It also shows
that, whilst he may have been optimistic in how fast this would play
out, he has been telling the truth, quite openly for years. Not only
that, nature itself has been telling the same story and it told us too.
By the 16/02/2016 we had given up trying to destroy the *GlowStick* 5.2,
part of a long lineage of []=Project Dog Bone=[] experiments. After the
reactor was turned off, Alan shared the remainder of the data files from
the NaI scintillator kindly donated by a project follower called Stephen
(Thankyou Stephen, really).
Project follower and open science legend, Ecco, first took a look at the
data and found some anomalies - one SO striking that we thought there
had been an equipment failure. We did not know the time that the
anomalies occurred and had to wait until Alan woke to explain the time
stamps so we could correlate it with the thermal and power data
published live to HUGNet (Thankyou Ryan and Paul Hunt). 
To our extreme surprise, the onset of excess heat followed the massive
anomaly in emissions and the minor anomalies were during and only during
excess heat. 
This led us on a path of discovery, the sequence of which explains:
The massive count signal discovered by Francesco Celani during Rossi’s
first public demo
How Rossi knew his reactor had started
How the E-Cat generates excess heat
How it self sustains
How it can scale easily
That it is safe
It also showed us how replicators can know they have succeeded in
triggering the New Fire and how to enhance the excess heat.
Subsequent to this, we found out Rossi had travelled the same design
journey and had publicly shared it in the past.
The irony is - this was all being conducted live in the open, including
discussions and graphing, whilst people were distracted with news of the
end of the 1MW 1 year test. Same day…
In the past week we have been checking, cross checking to verify and
this morning we cleared our last serious doubt, again live, with shared
data. Because this is already in the open we want people to know so that
they can start replicating based on what works, moreover, the insight
will allow people to immediately 

Re: [Vo]:Something big is happening

[Daniel Rocha]

this was just in:

The Cookbook is in the signal...
Written by Robert Greenyer on 22 February 2016.
Prepare thoroughly (Ni + LiAlH4 + Li)
Bake Ni
Reduce Ni
Hydrogenate Ni
Mix: Ni + LiAlH4 + Li
Bake and vac reactor, add Nickel, vac warm, add H2, Vac
Heat to above Mössbauer determined Ni Debye (say 135C), pressure regulated
to approx 1bar abs.
Hold, pressure regulated to approx 1bar abs.
Heat slowly to as close to Ni Curie as comfortable (Say 340C), pressure
regulated to approx 1bar abs.
Hold, pressure regulated to approx 1bar abs.
Slowly lower temp to above highest known Ni Debye (Say 220C), pressure
regulated to approx 1bar abs.
Hold, pressure regulated to approx 1bar abs.
Go as fast as possible through Ni Curie
Hold, pressure regulated to approx 0.5bar abs.
Cycle through 500C internal, pressure regulated to approx 0.5bar abs.
Hold, pressure regulated to approx 0.5bar abs.
Raise internal temperature to over 1200, pressure regulated to approx
0.5bar abs.
Drop to around 1000C and hold, pressure regulated to approx 0.5bar abs.
Raise internal temperature to near boiling point of Lithium
Some of the above steps may in time be redundant.
1h Thermal > x/β- emissions > Pb > IR/THz > 5h (SSM)

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Re: [Vo]:Something big is happening

[Axil Axil]

SPP formation requires that no photonic energy is wasted through absorption.

There is a big difference between deuterium and protium. Deuterium is
transparent to UV radiation and absorbs infrared whereas protium
is transparent to infrared and absorbs UV.

At 1200C, the photonics is one where UV dominates and at 500 C infrared
dominates. Deuterium is best applied in very high temperature photonic
systems,

The design of the reaction dictates what naterils to use.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 7:05 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Well, based on the last message on the "big surprise", it looks like the
> MFMP announcement could indeed relate to the glow-stick experiment which
> Alan Goldwater was running.
>
> That is a surprise to me, but I had been following it with interest.
>
> I suppose we will know soon what is going on, but if it helps to raise the
> expectation level, I can add a few relevant details.
>
> 1) The results of Alan's glow stick testing had not been spectacular for
> several days - in fact the null side was usually hotter than the active
> side
> (but there was an explanation for that).
>
> 2) Results improved with on/off pulsation
>
> 3) There did appear to be some radioactivity, however, the signal seemed to
> correlate with the times when the null side was hotter than the active side
> but the correlation was not large
>
> Side note: in looking back on it, this could mean that the
> radioactivity
> correlated to UDD formation, which is apparently endothermic
>
> 4) The experiment was  ended with an attempt to use sound input. Alan is an
> expert on sound systems but there were no indications that this was
> successful. He was planning on moving onto a new phase.
>
> 5) Then the live feed stopped and the assumption was that Alan was starting
> the next round of experiments.
>
> 6) The interesting thing, looking back, is that the next round was to use
> deuterium, instead of protium.
>
> It would be huge news if in fact - the simple switch from hydrogen to
> deuterium resulted in what was apparently 5 hours of self-sustain mode (at
> 1100-1200 C). This would be the equivalent of about 6 kW-hrs of infinite
> overunity. It would be a game changer.
>
> That would make anyone very, very happy. This is believable, whereas
> nothing
> from Rossi can be taken seriously.
>
> The problem with this scenario is that the LiAlD which was apparently used
> was sent to MFMP by Brian Ahern, but Brian himself had failed to see
> anything with it in his own testing. But one big difference is that he did
> not add it to fuel which had previously been exposed to hydrogen loading.
> That could be the key.
>
> I guess we will see tomorrow if this is what happened. If it is, it will
> add
> greatly to our understanding and it will mean that deuterium is now looking
> like the savior of the field... and the cookbook will show that after you
> run with hydrogen for a while, you switch to deuterium.
>
> BTW - Rossi on many occasions has said he does not use deuterium, and in
> fact he once said that deuterium quenched his reaction !
>
> This would mean that the Rossi effect is different from this new effect. If
> so - let's toast to Alan and to MFMP and to open-sourcing. This kind of
> thing probably does not happen without open-sourcing. It is premature to
> call it the Goldwater effect, since the mystery is still in full effect for
> whatever strange reason.
>
> Jones
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Something big is happening

[Finlay MacNab]

I think that other members of the MFMP were also designing Parkhomov style 
experiments. Perhaps one of their designs is the golden goose.

RE: [Vo]:Something big is happening

[Jones Beene]

Well, based on the last message on the "big surprise", it looks like the
MFMP announcement could indeed relate to the glow-stick experiment which
Alan Goldwater was running. 

That is a surprise to me, but I had been following it with interest.

I suppose we will know soon what is going on, but if it helps to raise the
expectation level, I can add a few relevant details.

1) The results of Alan's glow stick testing had not been spectacular for
several days - in fact the null side was usually hotter than the active side
(but there was an explanation for that).

2) Results improved with on/off pulsation

3) There did appear to be some radioactivity, however, the signal seemed to
correlate with the times when the null side was hotter than the active side
but the correlation was not large

Side note: in looking back on it, this could mean that the radioactivity
correlated to UDD formation, which is apparently endothermic

4) The experiment was  ended with an attempt to use sound input. Alan is an
expert on sound systems but there were no indications that this was
successful. He was planning on moving onto a new phase.

5) Then the live feed stopped and the assumption was that Alan was starting
the next round of experiments.

6) The interesting thing, looking back, is that the next round was to use
deuterium, instead of protium. 

It would be huge news if in fact - the simple switch from hydrogen to
deuterium resulted in what was apparently 5 hours of self-sustain mode (at
1100-1200 C). This would be the equivalent of about 6 kW-hrs of infinite
overunity. It would be a game changer.

That would make anyone very, very happy. This is believable, whereas nothing
from Rossi can be taken seriously. 

The problem with this scenario is that the LiAlD which was apparently used
was sent to MFMP by Brian Ahern, but Brian himself had failed to see
anything with it in his own testing. But one big difference is that he did
not add it to fuel which had previously been exposed to hydrogen loading.
That could be the key. 

I guess we will see tomorrow if this is what happened. If it is, it will add
greatly to our understanding and it will mean that deuterium is now looking
like the savior of the field... and the cookbook will show that after you
run with hydrogen for a while, you switch to deuterium.

BTW - Rossi on many occasions has said he does not use deuterium, and in
fact he once said that deuterium quenched his reaction ! 

This would mean that the Rossi effect is different from this new effect. If
so - let's toast to Alan and to MFMP and to open-sourcing. This kind of
thing probably does not happen without open-sourcing. It is premature to
call it the Goldwater effect, since the mystery is still in full effect for
whatever strange reason.

Jones

RE: [Vo]:Something big is happening

[Jones Beene]

I am pretty sure that this announcement is about something completely new, 
instead of Alan’s fine work.  

 

If I had to guess – it could relate to Nichenergy …

 

… or not

 

 

From: Alberto De Souza 

 

A post I just put up on the MFMP Facebook page that might interest some of you:

"I have learned a lot reading the chat at http://magicsound.us/MFMP/video/ 
(backwards; pretty hard to do). But it stops at Friday, February 19, 7:28:31pm. 
So, I could not get to last Wednesday. I read your discussion about the 
radiation signature of the effect, though. Pretty impressive!"

 

 

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

The clue, two lines of code:

10: 1h x/b- Pb IR/THz 5h
20: GOTO 10

Remember "Infinite Jest" ? I guess that's what you get with such a leaden
loop... Hal Incandenza sez "Alas, poor Rossi ! I knew him well: a fellow of
infinite jest, of most excellent fancy: how abhorred in my imagination he
is...


-Original Message-
From: Robert Dorr

Watch the MFMP site (Quantumheat.org). It looks like a major announcement
shortly.

Bob
WA7ZQR

 

[Vo]:Something big is happening

[Alberto De Souza]

A post I just put up on the MFMP Facebook page that might interest some of
you:
"I have learned a lot reading the chat at http://magicsound.us/MFMP/video/
(backwards; pretty hard to do). But it stops at Friday, February 19,
7:28:31pm. So, I could not get to last Wednesday. I read your discussion
about the radiation signature of the effect, though. Pretty impressive!"


On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> The clue, two lines of code:
>
> 10: 1h x/b- Pb IR/THz 5h
> 20: GOTO 10
>
> Remember "Infinite Jest" ? I guess that's what you get with such a leaden
> loop... Hal Incandenza sez "Alas, poor Rossi ! I knew him well: a fellow of
> infinite jest, of most excellent fancy: how abhorred in my imagination he
> is...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Dorr
>
> Watch the MFMP site (Quantumheat.org). It looks like a major announcement
> shortly.
>
> Bob
> WA7ZQR
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Something big is happening

[Jones Beene]

The clue, two lines of code:

10: 1h x/b- Pb IR/THz 5h
20: GOTO 10

Remember "Infinite Jest" ? I guess that's what you get with such a leaden
loop... Hal Incandenza sez "Alas, poor Rossi ! I knew him well: a fellow of
infinite jest, of most excellent fancy: how abhorred in my imagination he
is...

-Original Message-
From: Robert Dorr 

Watch the MFMP site (Quantumheat.org). It looks like a major announcement
shortly.

Bob
WA7ZQR

[Vo]:Something big is happening

[Robert Dorr]

Watch the MFMP site (Quantumheat.org). It looks like a major 
announcement shortly.


Bob
WA7ZQR