Re: [Vo]:The conspiracies do exist!

[Alain Sepeda]

there are people who are so desperate they they get paid for an article.
some are paid for a research direction and a career of coherent results.

Who is the most dishonest ?

moreover be careful to hear the defense too, and today journalist and
activists have a tendency to transform benign behaviors into conspiracy, of
pure fraud into honest behavior, depending on who do it.

I know other similar accusation where the "dirty money" was simply an
unrelated lab funding on geology, for another team. All is corrupted, but I
mean ALL.

I know a case where western green NGO get funding for establishing proof of
property of tribes against palm oil companies.
Money was syphoned, and finally some local activist managed to use cheap
drones to do the mapping... Money was apparently used for political
campaign, not for paying bribes. In a way is was fully honest and I'm sure
they think that winning political power was more important than helping few
villagers.

the worst horrors in science are done not for money, but by apparently
sincere (motivated) belief.

What people refuse to do for money, they can do it to justify their
ideology, or gain honors in public.

ideas are more dirty than money :  ideas corrupt honest people, unlike
money.

2015-12-10 0:33 GMT+01:00 Lennart Thornros :

> OK Blaze we do not want you to despair:)
> I think this is (unfortunately) not a conspiracy. That is how our modern
> world works. We have directed all the money to one entity. Now there is
> only one way to influence the future. Electrical cars or medicine or risk
> analysis does not matter what is correct as you know that the one with the
> best connections and the biggest wallet will set the stage as it suits his
> interests.
> Conspiracy no - a one party state yes.Do not say there is two parties -
> they have both the same ambition to be reelected. Everything is of no
> interest.
>
> Best Regards ,
> Lennart Thornros
>
>
> lenn...@thornros.com
> +1 916 436 1899
>
> Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
> enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Chris Zell  wrote:
>
>> I would point out that this prostitution can extend in any direction.
>> Recall that in the documentary, “Who Killed The Electric Car?” there was an
>> academic who came forward to California authorities and spoke glowingly
>> about the promise of fuel cells so that the EV-1 could be eliminated and
>> destroyed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Of course, here we are decades later with no mass use of such technology
>> on our roads.  I hope he was well paid for his betrayal.
>>
>
>

[Vo]:The conspiracies do exist!

[Blaze Spinnaker]

http://boingboing.net/2015/12/08/undercover-greenpeace-activist.html

I dunno if my emails have been censored from vortex or something though.
Nobody ever replies to them anymore :D

RE: [Vo]:The conspiracies do exist!

[Chris Zell]

I would point out that this prostitution can extend in any direction.  Recall 
that in the documentary, “Who Killed The Electric Car?” there was an academic 
who came forward to California authorities and spoke glowingly about the 
promise of fuel cells so that the EV-1 could be eliminated and destroyed.

Of course, here we are decades later with no mass use of such technology on our 
roads.  I hope he was well paid for his betrayal.

Re: [Vo]:The conspiracies do exist!

[Lennart Thornros]

OK Blaze we do not want you to despair:)
I think this is (unfortunately) not a conspiracy. That is how our modern
world works. We have directed all the money to one entity. Now there is
only one way to influence the future. Electrical cars or medicine or risk
analysis does not matter what is correct as you know that the one with the
best connections and the biggest wallet will set the stage as it suits his
interests.
Conspiracy no - a one party state yes.Do not say there is two parties -
they have both the same ambition to be reelected. Everything is of no
interest.

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)


On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Chris Zell  wrote:

> I would point out that this prostitution can extend in any direction.
> Recall that in the documentary, “Who Killed The Electric Car?” there was an
> academic who came forward to California authorities and spoke glowingly
> about the promise of fuel cells so that the EV-1 could be eliminated and
> destroyed.
>
>
>
> Of course, here we are decades later with no mass use of such technology
> on our roads.  I hope he was well paid for his betrayal.
>