Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-28 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 7:47 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Guys, this thread has gotten very far off the subject. I request that you rename it and continue. I would really appreciate a discussion concerning tritium associated with Ni-H LENR. Dave We seem to be reaching the

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread Axil Axil
: Saturday, May 26, 2012 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR Sorry I opened this can of worms. One response only: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, centuries after Darwin, other people have indeed found an organ that could not possibly have been formed by numerous

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Von: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 21:58 Freitag, 25.Mai 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Kuhn understood that scientists

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
re 'Yeomen'   -- Eric and James   2nd take   Yeomen, as I understand the term, are a group of people having enough material and educational resources to be 'free thinkers'.   The question is: Are these people decisive wrt the advancement of humanity?   I think not. They play a certain role, but

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread James Bowery
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote: In the early middle ages it was the church-builders, which advanced the art of empirical construction of large buildings by trial and error. Lots of churches had to be repaired or collapsed altogether. Those

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
___ Von: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com Paracelsus whose motto was: Let no man belong to another that can belong to himself. James, I understand this as a typical statement of a renaissance mind. But: Paracelsus was not a Yeoman. He was driven by his

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread James Bowery
The definition of Yeoman is at issue. Its modern degeneration has virtually nothing to do with the original notion. Basically there was, once upon a time, recognition of the foundation of civilization -- primarily because civilization had only recently arisen. This is particularly true of

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread Harry Veeder
I would think the idea that one can take land to support a mate is agricultural notion of identity and integrity. Harry On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 4:42 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: The definition of Yeoman is at issue.  Its modern degeneration has virtually nothing to do with the

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
in Ni-H LENR The definition of Yeoman is at issue.  Its modern degeneration has virtually nothing to do with the original notion.  Basically there was, once upon a time, recognition of the foundation of civilization -- primarily because civilization had only recently arisen

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread James Bowery
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I would think the idea that one can take land to support a mate is agricultural notion of identity and integrity. Is sexual notion of identity and integrity. You know nothing of animal behavior.

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread James Bowery
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.comwrote: James, thank you for Your sensible comment. I did not know about the term 'allodium'. looking after the term, I read: ... True allodial title is rare, with most property ownership in the common law

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread David Roberson
...@ymail.com Cc: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, May 26, 2012 10:08 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote: James, thank you for Your sensible comment. I did not know about the term 'allodium'. looking

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 10:03 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I would think the idea that one can take land to support a mate is agricultural notion of identity and integrity. Is sexual notion of identity

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-25 Thread James Bowery
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Kuhn understood that scientists are emotional creatures, given to biases and fads of various kinds, and that this makes even the hard sciences an eminently social endeavor. Its far worse than Kuhn indicates. He

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: The reason this is far worse than Kuhn indicates is that it is entirely conceivable that such financial dependence could enslave generation after generation of scientists. I don't know about generations. Peter Hagelstein told me the problem has gotten

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-25 Thread Jojo Jaro
I find your attempt to equate Darwin with Newton rather amusing. If there ever was a field of pseudoscience, that is beholden to and extremely malleable to political pressure; it is the field that Darwin created with his swiss-cheese theory. While Newton created whole fields of legitimate

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Sorry I opened this can of worms. One response only: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, centuries after Darwin, other people have indeed found an organ that could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive slight modifications. The bacterial flagellum is one. The organ

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-25 Thread Harry Veeder
This link provides a nice concise summary of evolutionary thought from the Greeks to the victorian age. http://library.thinkquest.org/C004367/eh1.shtml Darwin's account of evolution is over emphasized, but that doesn't mean it is worthless. Although the link says Lamarckian evolution has been

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-25 Thread Jojo Jaro
cold fusion; my challenge to you is - Are you prepared to look at the science behind the movement against Darwinian Evolution? Jojo - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-25 Thread Harry Veeder
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR Sorry I opened this can of worms. One response only: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, centuries after Darwin, other people have indeed found an organ that could not  possibly have

[Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-24 Thread Jones Beene
This may be too open-ended and nebulous to present at this juncture - but the evidence for small amounts of tritium in Ni-H LERN is substantial. Thanks to Ed Storms and Jed Rothwell from bringing this detail clearly into focus recently - because for one overriding consideration- given the rarity

RE: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-24 Thread Jones Beene
I should credit Eric Walker's persistence, as well, in this mini tritium revival - especially in digging up old papers from the early nineties where the isotope is mentioned. There are many other papers as well, some of them not available on LENR/CANR. Fusion Technology is a good resource for

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Tritium is so extremely rare and unexpected, and its detection is so certain and reliable - that even its occasional appearance overrides EVERY AND ALL of the skeptics objections which are mostly all associated with low reproducibility. I have often

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-24 Thread James Bowery
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: After I describe the people at BARC and Jalbert, the discussion ends. I do not recall any instances in which the skeptics responded. However, in other venues and discussions they continue to say they do not believe the

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: I have often said this, but the skeptics disagree. They find reasons to doubt the results. There is a legitimate reason to doubt results with heavy water. Some heavy water does have tritium in it to start with. This can be concentrated by electrolysis. Experts such as Storms know

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: I should credit Eric Walker's persistence, as well, in this mini tritium revival - especially in digging up old papers from the early nineties where the isotope is mentioned. I failed to give Ed Storms credit for the