RE: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-13 Thread Jones Beene
From: Peter Gluck Dear Jones How is connected GENIE with the Cincy Cell- in your opinion? The connection is that both use electrochemistry (and LENR techniques) to create nuclear reactions which secondarily transmute heavy metals. Here is an old

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The connection is that both use electrochemistry (and LENR techniques) to create nuclear reactions which secondarily transmute heavy metals. Here is an old IE article on the CGC http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/IE13-14CincinattiGroup.pdf As

RE: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-13 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell As noted here, those people died of cancer at a fairly young age. I cannot judge, but I got the impression their techniques and measurements were crude. That is also what others said. McKubre told me they scared the hell out of him. He thought they were reducing

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: … “spewing” may not be accurate, if you mean that a solid or a liquid is carelessly released. Their reactors were sealed and pressurized, so that if anything was released, a slow leak of a radioactive gas (radon, tritium or xenon) is the best candidate.

[Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread Axil Axil
https://www.google.com/patents/US8419919?dq=11/859,499hl=ensa=Xei=A5rfUe70HMen4AO3yIFwved=0CDYQ6AEwAA This U.S. Navy patent transmutes radioactive elements into less harmful elements through a benign low energy nuclear reaction process. The patent was granted April 16, 2013 for a device and

RE: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread Jones Beene
Curious, that the Navy cites Mitchell Swartz's applications (and Arata) as prior art - all of which have NOT been granted, and the Navy does NOT mention the one which they flagrantly copy. We need a massive overhaul of USPTO due to extreme incompetence. US Navy or not . this patent seems to be

RE: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread Jones Beene
Curious detail in all of this Navy-gravy is worth a quick mention . since we are all concerned about getting LENR to market quickly. Who would have expected that Guam, of all places, would be benefiting from this breakthrough power source? Well . Navy Base Quam and an associated airfield

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread Peter Gluck
Re the US 20030201167 A1 patent of the Cincinnati Group: I have met Gleeson and Holloman at Asti -7, we became friends and Don has donated a Cincy Cell to me for testing, does it transmute elements or not. The cell was filled with a dilute solution of a thorium salt and HCl and after the forced

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread blaze spinnaker
The Genie sounds like LENR after it's been accepted: 1. Our experiments are repeatable. 2. Our experiments have been replicated by others. 3. Our experiments provide direct evidence that nuclear reactions are involved including the production of high-energy neutrons. Although our

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread blaze spinnaker
What's interesting to me is that if this works, LENR isn't as important. The GeNiE Reactor is not prone to melt down since it doesn't rely on a chain-reaction to produce high-energy neutrons. The GeNiE Reactor will extract more energy from the fuel than conventional nuclear Reactors. The GeNiE

RE: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread Jones Beene
From: Peter Gluck Both inventors- who have later worked with Americium, have died due to leukemia. It was a tragedy- however no transmutation takes place, sorry for that. Yes too bad, and your report casts doubt on the GEC implementation (unless the two died of neutron radiation

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread Robert Dorr
Just an observation, but it looks as though the G.E.C site hasn't been updated since 2010. There's been a lot happening in the LENR field in those three short years. Where have they been? Bob On 7/12/2013 12:26 PM, blaze spinnaker wrote: The Genie sounds like LENR after it's been

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread blaze spinnaker
The advantage of using Uranium is that it's production is controlled by friendly powers (US/Canada/Australia/etc). Perhaps this was a way to get various scientifically naive but highly influential individuals on board. The GEC board of directors, Khim says, includes some well-known Washington

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread Daniel Rocha
Maybe by the time Navy's patent was filed in, the others were still not analyzed. 2013/7/12 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Curious, that the Navy cites Mitchell Swartz’s applications (and Arata) as prior art – all of which have NOT been granted,** ** -- Daniel Rocha - RJ

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread blaze spinnaker
However, if fast neutrons are being produced - they would NOT need uranium and all the baggage that goes with this element, both in terms of PR and cost. Therefore, one has to doubt the veracity of some of the information coming out. ** ** Interesting patent:

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:52 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: The GeNiE Reactor is lower cost since it doesn't required enriched uranium and it doesn't produce hazardous nuclear waste that is costly to handle. One problem with neutrons is that we want fewer of them in the

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Jones How is connected GENIE with the Cincy Cell- in your opinion? Americium per se is very dangerous, see please: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americium#Health_issues Peter On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Peter Gluck ** **

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread blaze spinnaker
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:52 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The GeNiE Reactor is lower cost since it doesn't required enriched uranium and it doesn't produce hazardous nuclear waste that is