Re: [Vo]:Yes, cold fusion is a fringe subject by the standards of Wikipedia

2011-03-02 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Abd sez: ... > It means nothing about the science itself. As Jed has pointed out, there is > a definition of "mainstream" that's different. Judging "mainstream" has to > do with publication by independent publishers who are dedicated to general > science or to some particular science (or engineer

Re: [Vo]:Yes, cold fusion is a fringe subject by the standards of Wikipedia

2011-03-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:23 PM 2/27/2011, Charles Hope wrote: There is no mathematical definition of fringe. A topic is fringe if the majority of scientists subjectively feel it is. Wikipedia is an excellent tool for judging such mass subjectivity. In a way, this is correct. Wikipedia did classify Cold fusion as

Re: [Vo]:Yes, cold fusion is a fringe subject by the standards of Wikipedia

2011-02-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Charles Hope wrote: There is no mathematical definition of fringe. There is, however, a conventional definition of what constitutes mainstream science. It calls for professional scientists, replication, peer-review, a high s/n ratio and various other things. According to this definition, cold f

Re: [Vo]:Yes, cold fusion is a fringe subject by the standards of Wikipedia

2011-02-27 Thread Charles Hope
There is no mathematical definition of fringe. A topic is fringe if the majority of scientists subjectively feel it is. Wikipedia is an excellent tool for judging such mass subjectivity. Sent from my iPhone. On Feb 27, 2011, at 11:29, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Let me add that we are talking a

Re: [Vo]:Yes, cold fusion is a fringe subject by the standards of Wikipedia

2011-02-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
Let me add that we are talking about two different definitions of "fringe" here. This is, in part, a dispute over semantics. Cude is quite right about what he calls "fringe" and I agree that is a valid use of the word. He is right that cold fusion fits that definition. However, I think that in th

[Vo]:Yes, cold fusion is a fringe subject by the standards of Wikipedia

2011-02-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
I do not want to beat this subject to death, but I would like to say what while I agree with Joshua Cude here, we have to make a subtle distinction: > And it’s not just Nature or SciAm. Science, all the APS journals, and most > others would regard cold fusion as fringe science. It doesn’t matter