Re: Energy - The Big Picture

2005-03-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: Just for your information Jed, my Forester, which is AWD, gets 25 mpg at 7000 ft in the city and over 28 mpg at 70 mph. That's still not as good on the highway as my '95 Volvo station wagon, which is a great hulking vehicle capable of carrying more stuff than most SUVs. Actua

Re: Energy - The Big Picture

2005-03-07 Thread Edmund Storms
Last week my 10-year-old Volvo station wagon needed an expensive valve job. It turned out it cost 4000 bucks! Anyway, I thought about getting a new car and I spec'ed them out. My car gets ~20 mpg city and 30 mpg highway. I was disgusted to find that the new station wagons get 18 mpg city and 2

Re: Energy - The Big Picture

2005-03-07 Thread Horace Heffner
At 4:02 PM 3/7/5, Jed Rothwell wrote: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >I like the big picture approach, but this analysis is too oversimplified. >The cost of making millions of wind turbines or thousands of nuclear >reactors cannot be estimated as a straight-line proj

Re: Energy - The Big Picture

2005-03-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
I like the big picture approach, but this analysis is too oversimplified. The cost of making millions of wind turbines or thousands of nuclear reactors cannot be estimated as a straight-line projection of today's costs. Mass production on that scale would reduce the unit cost by a huge margin --

Re: Energy - The Big Picture DRAFT #2

2005-03-06 Thread Horace Heffner
At 9:24 AM 3/6/5, Steven Krivit wrote: >Horace, > >You may be care to send this to Gustav GROB email: info at uniseo.org. He >may have an interest, as well as an influence to see something productive >happen with your ideas. > >Steve I appreciate the notion, but I barely have time to read vortex

Re: Energy - The Big Picture DRAFT #2

2005-03-06 Thread Steven Krivit
Horace, You may be care to send this to Gustav GROB email: info at uniseo.org. He may have an interest, as well as an influence to see something productive happen with your ideas. Steve

Re Energy - The Big Picture DRAFT #2

2005-03-05 Thread Horace Heffner
I wrote: "However, emerging capitalists should have their noises in the air. The smell of money is there." I meant to write: "However, emerging capitalists should have their noses in the air. The smell of money is there." However, a little noise probably couldn't hurt if that's all it is. Rega

Energy - The Big Picture DRAFT #2

2005-03-05 Thread Horace Heffner
I wrote: "However, emerging capitalists should have their noises in the air. The smell of money is there." I wrote: "However, emerging capitalists should have their noses in the air. The smell of money is there." Regards, Horace Heffner

Re: Energy - The Big Picture

2005-03-05 Thread Horace Heffner
At 4:22 PM 3/6/5, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > >The costs started off in dollars and got multiplied by 10^9, so >they are be in billions, not trillions of dollars per quad/yr >generation capacity. Yes, thanks. I corrected in response to Michael Foster's remarks. Regards, Horace Heffner

RE: Energy - The Big Picture

2005-03-05 Thread Horace Heffner
At 10:39 PM 3/5/5, Michael Foster wrote: >I assume you mean American "trillion", i.e., 10^12. In any case, long >term conversion of energy sources needs to be analyzed this way. This >is very enlightening. Thanks for the correction. I shouldn't post when I'm so short of time. Regards, Hora

Energy - The Big Picture DRAFT #2

2005-03-05 Thread Horace Heffner
The following is an attempt to put into perspective the problem of obtaining the world's energy needs by carbon free renewable means. Table 1 - Current energy plant capital cost in $/W Gas turbine 0.5 Wind 2.0 Solar tower 2.5 Nuclear 6.0 One MBtu is equivalent to 33.43 watts expen

Re: Energy - The Big Picture

2005-03-05 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:23:50 -0900: Hi, [snip] >Table 1 - Current energy plant capital cost in $/W > >Gas turbine 0.5 >Wind 2.0 >Solar tower 2.5 >Nuclear 6.0 > >One MBtu is equivalent to 33.43 watts expended for a year. Multiplying the >above va

RE: Energy - The Big Picture

2005-03-05 Thread Michael Foster
--- On Sat 03/05, Horace Heffner < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > It appears the job of converting to renewable energy can be accomplished > starting now, especially where long trades are not required. The capital > cost will ultimately be on the order of 90,000 trillion dollars, but > invested o

Energy - The Big Picture

2005-03-05 Thread Horace Heffner
Table 1 - Current energy plant capital cost in $/W Gas turbine 0.5 Wind 2.0 Solar tower 2.5 Nuclear 6.0 One MBtu is equivalent to 33.43 watts expended for a year. Multiplying the above values by 33.43 we can thus obtain energy plant cost in $ per MBtu/yr assuming a plant life of o