Re: [Vo]: Challenge for Jed, and any other unsure.
On Friday 23 February 2007 03:11, thomas malloy wrote: Zell, Chris wrote: What conspiracy fans miss is that if all their theories are correct, it's all futile and irrelevant. How so? In the first hour of C to C AM last night Alex Jones of infowars and prisonplanet.com was interviewed. I didn't notice any of the conspiracy thread mentioning the bombing of the Murrah building, but it's another fertile ground for conspiracy theorists. You're right Chris, if what people like Alex say is true you might as well kiss your liberties goodbye. I think that G-d confounds their plans, for the time being. Hate to chew on Murrah any more than it already has been already, but there is something about the wreckage pictures of that building that has always struck me as odd. Nobody seems to notice it, certainly not publicly nor in any of the monopoly media. As a civil engineer, it seems singularly odd to see how thin the floor membranes were in that building. Also there appears other design insufficiencies that I recall noticing but no longer remember clearly as this happened sometime ago. At the time that this happened and the pictures came out, it certainly appeared that if this building had not been blown up, it may have fallen down on its own one fine sunny day. Without any more warning than the 'middle eastern looking men' reportedly fleeing the scene gave their victims. Yeah, I for one doubt that we would do this to our own as some of our so called investigative ministries would have us believe. And there were reports in the early hours after this happened concerning these foreigners. Unless of course the gov did the deed themselves to collect the insurance, but then all of our pols claim to be honorable men, and honorable men would never countenance the 'collateral damage' deaths of innocent babies and old people trying to collect a widows mite in order to survive their old age at least one more month now, would they; and do this just so a budget would balance for yet another civil service empire builder hoping to make his GS-14 into a GS-15, would they?
Re: [Vo]: Challenge for Jed, and any other unsure.
Zell, Chris wrote: What conspiracy fans miss is that if all their theories are correct, it's all futile and irrelevant. How so? In the first hour of C to C AM last night Alex Jones of infowars and prisonplanet.com was interviewed. I didn't notice any of the conspiracy thread mentioning the bombing of the Murrah building, but it's another fertile ground for conspiracy theorists. You're right Chris, if what people like Alex say is true you might as well kiss your liberties goodbye. I think that G-d confounds their plans, for the time being. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: [Vo]: Challenge for Jed, and any other unsure.
The thought that it is futile is what makes it so. On 2/23/07, thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zell, Chris wrote: What conspiracy fans miss is that if all their theories are correct, it's all futile and irrelevant. How so? In the first hour of C to C AM last night Alex Jones of infowars and prisonplanet.com was interviewed. I didn't notice any of the conspiracy thread mentioning the bombing of the Murrah building, but it's another fertile ground for conspiracy theorists. You're right Chris, if what people like Alex say is true you might as well kiss your liberties goodbye. I think that G-d confounds their plans, for the time being. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: [Vo]: Challenge for Jed, and any other unsure.
John Berry wrote: The thought that it is futile is what makes it so. On 2/23/07, *thomas malloy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zell, Chris wrote: What conspiracy fans miss is that if all their theories are correct, it's all futile and irrelevant. How so? That depends on how you look at it. I see this whole mess beginning in the third chapter of Genesis. We are in bondage to sin, and cannot free ourselves. Sabbath Day Peace. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
RE: [Vo]: Challenge for Jed, and any other unsure.
What conspiracy fans miss is that if all their theories are correct, it's all futile and irrelevant. How so? Because it would mean that vast numbers of people in and out of government are utter traitors and sociopaths - and that they are little more than obsequious thralls to a nearly all powerful military-industrial complex. The only people wise enough to see the plots are clever internet bloggers and fringe investigators. Anybody old enough to remember None Dare Call It Conspiracy? How we would all live in a fascist USA thanks to Nixon? Yes, from sacks of thermite ( Conspirator: what do mean, we can't use the elevator !?) to switched planes ( Dammit, Fred, you lost the luggage and the explosives?) - it's all hopeless and we're doomed. It's out of our control and we are powerless - in the face of such clockwork like precision and coordination among men who conspire with such amazing cohesion. We're just screwed - and thank God someone has exposed it all.
Re: [Vo]: Challenge for Jed, and any other unsure.
Well aren't we the little pessimist? Tell me, is Hitler still in power? On 2/23/07, Zell, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What conspiracy fans miss is that if all their theories are correct, it's all futile and irrelevant. How so? Because it would mean that vast numbers of people in and out of government are utter traitors and sociopaths - and that they are little more than obsequious thralls to a nearly all powerful military-industrial complex. The only people wise enough to see the plots are clever internet bloggers and fringe investigators. Anybody old enough to remember None Dare Call It Conspiracy? How we would all live in a fascist USA thanks to Nixon? Yes, from sacks of thermite ( Conspirator: what do mean, we can't use the elevator !?) to switched planes ( Dammit, Fred, you lost the luggage and the explosives?) - it's all hopeless and we're doomed. It's out of our control and we are powerless - in the face of such clockwork like precision and coordination among men who conspire with such amazing cohesion. We're just screwed - and thank God someone has exposed it all.
RE: [Vo]: Challenge for Jed, and any other unsure.
From: John Berry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:34 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]: Challenge for Jed, and any other unsure. Tell me, is Hitler still in power? No, but his evident followers apparently are - and have built an astounding conspiracy in 9-11 to perpetuate themselves in rulership. It's amazing. On 2/23/07, Zell, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What conspiracy fans miss is that if all their theories are correct, it's all futile and irrelevant. How so? Because it would mean that vast numbers of people in and out of government are utter traitors and sociopaths - and that they are little more than obsequious thralls to a nearly all powerful military-industrial complex. The only people wise enough to see the plots are clever internet bloggers and fringe investigators. Anybody old enough to remember None Dare Call It Conspiracy? How we would all live in a fascist USA thanks to Nixon? Yes, from sacks of thermite ( Conspirator: what do mean, we can't use the elevator !?) to switched planes ( Dammit, Fred, you lost the luggage and the explosives?) - it's all hopeless and we're doomed. It's out of our control and we are powerless - in the face of such clockwork like precision and coordination among men who conspire with such amazing cohesion. We're just screwed - and thank God someone has exposed it all.
Re: [Vo]: Challenge for Jed, and any other unsure.
John Berry wrote: My goodness. Since many gullible people believe this sort of thing, Currently you simply don't have the information those people are basing their 'Gullible' beliefs on. You have given me more than enough information to evaluate these claims! I am sure you represented them accurately. The people at NIST also evaluated some of these claims in as much detail as the claims deserve. That is why, for example, they dismiss the thermite hypothesis. All you need to know is that it would take thousands of pounds of the stuff, and you can rule that out. You do not need to consider other problems with this claim, such as the fact that wrecking crews would have to spend weeks or months dismantling 5 or 10 floors of the building in preparation for this secret demolition. All of these claims can be ruled out with a little commonsense and knowledge of how the world works. I with that you, President Bush and other Americans would learn to ignore this kind of blather and nonsense about 9/11, Iraq, Saddam Hussein, and the rest of this Middle Eastern mess. Bush is prime example of someone who bases his decisions on intuition and ignorance. Look where it lands him every time! Down another rathole. He ignores expert advice from Iraq experts at the State Department and the CIA. Experience should have taught you and the President by now to put aside intuition, and ignore the neocons, the conspiracy theorists, Robert Park and the other extremists on both sides. Pay attention instead to people who know what they are talking about, and who base their claims on facts -- not hysteria, or rumor, or thousands of pounds of invisible thermite -- FACTS. The experts at China Lake and LANL were right about cold fusion in 1989. The experts at NIST are right about 9/11 today. - Jed
Re: [Vo]: Challenge for Jed, and any other unsure.
On 2/22/07, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Berry wrote: My goodness. Since many gullible people believe this sort of thing, Currently you simply don't have the information those people are basing their 'Gullible' beliefs on. You have given me more than enough information to evaluate these claims! I am sure you represented them accurately. Wrong. I hadn't even seen loose change (or more that a piece of it) before that email. (Just heard good things about it) It counters the points you made about experts. (they changed their stories, and those who didn't were fired) Sure enough, you don't take up the challenge! What are you afraid of?
