Re: [Vo]:GM VP reveals his true feelings

2008-02-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks wrote: Stating that Lutz Co. really haven't the slightest interest in the environmental cause is an expressed opinion as well, even if a lot of the facts given to back up that opinion are, to say the least, damning. . . . I wouldn't say they haven't the slightest interest. I think

Re: [Vo]:GM VP reveals his true feelings

2008-02-27 Thread OrionWorks
Jed sez: ... This reminds me a little of a recent hysterical column by Kinsley: http://www.slate.com/id/2185134/ Funny! Ms. Iseman certainly has the appearance of sweet eye candy. Under the circumstances I think Mongo (from Blazing Saddles) had the right attitude. KISS, even if there might

Re: [Vo]:GM VP reveals his true feelings

2008-02-27 Thread Terry Blanton
Two problems: 1) Dealer automobile service centers are also independent profit centers. Electric cars need brake shoes and tires. . . that's about it. 2) The entire highway structure is maintained (financed) on state and federal gasoline taxes. No gas . . . no taxes. Recently, Georgia

Re: [Vo]:GM VP reveals his true feelings

2008-02-27 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:53:36 -0500: Hi, [snip] Two problems: 1) Dealer automobile service centers are also independent profit centers. Electric cars need brake shoes ...in fact less of these too, because of regenerative braking. and tires. . . that's

Re: [Vo]:GM VP reveals his true feelings

2008-02-26 Thread OrionWorks
A few tangential thoughts on the Lutz controversy. I would caution us all from arriving at too many stead-fast opinions as to the real motivations behind any individual without first questioning them face-to-face. We're all guilty of performing pop-psyche analysis on the motivations of others

Re: [Vo]:GM VP reveals his true feelings

2008-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks wrote: A few tangential thoughts on the Lutz controversy. I would caution us all from arriving at too many stead-fast opinions as to the real motivations behind any individual without first questioning them face-to-face. I don't need to question the man. I can read his blog. I

RE: [Vo]:GM VP reveals his true feelings

2008-02-26 Thread Zell, Chris
Anyone can see that GM is on the verge of extinction, and management is at fault. Look at their stock price, and the fact that they have offered a buy out to every single remaining employee. This is de facto liquidation. GM and Detroit in general cannot build small fuel efficient cars at a

Re: [Vo]:GM VP reveals his true feelings

2008-02-26 Thread OrionWorks
Jed I learned some time ago that when I go to the races it's a good betting strategy to wager that your opinions will make a place. PS: Some interesting thoughts from Chris as well Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:GM VP reveals his true feelings

2008-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks wrote: I learned some time ago that when I go to the races it's a good betting strategy to wager that your opinions will make a place. These are not my opinions. That's why I cited all those books. These are facts, teh opinions of experts, and observations such as the fact that

Re: [Vo]:GM VP reveals his true feelings

2008-02-26 Thread OrionWorks
Historical facts concerning the birth pangs of our country's railroad system, and the comparisons alluded to in the current auto industrial situation are indeed interesting. These are facts worth knowing and pondering over since we may soon witness history repeating itself on a similar issue -

Re: [Vo]:GM VP reveals his true feelings

2008-02-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mr. Lutz's comments about his quote, in which he digs the hole he is in even deeper: http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/archives/2008/02/talk_about_a_cr.html Some people do not understand when to apologize and shut up. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:GM VP reveals his true feelings

2008-02-25 Thread OrionWorks
Jed sez: Mr. Lutz's comments about his quote, in which he digs the hole he is in even deeper: http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/archives/2008/02/talk_about_a_cr.html Some people do not understand when to apologize and shut up. - Jed Mr. Lutz appears to say in his blog that GM is going full

Re: [Vo]:GM VP reveals his true feelings

2008-02-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks wrote: Mr. Lutz appears to say in his blog that GM is going full steam ahead in their work on environmental issues like E85, hybrids, hydrogen and fuel cells, the electrification of the car (the Chevrolet Volt), which hopefully will be out on showrooms in a couple of years. ...all

Re: [Vo]:GM VP reveals his true feelings

2008-02-25 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:00:47 -0500: Hi, [snip] OrionWorks wrote: Mr. Lutz appears to say in his blog that GM is going full steam ahead in their work on environmental issues like E85, hybrids, hydrogen and fuel cells, the electrification of the car (the