RE: [Vo]:Some questions about H(1) ultra dense hydrogen.
From: Stephen Cooke * If the two nuclei are separated by 2.3 pm I suppose the are rotating about their center of mass… Would those nuclei generate Bremsstrahlung radiation… Not the b-word, as usually defined; but if the pair, or the cluster, became destabilized, the result could be strong mutual repulsion. Once hot scattered protons interact with the support or containment structure, we would see soft x-rays and UV. If an electron cascade is absent, it should not be confused with bremsstrahlung…. A possible way to test for the Holmlid effect is UV radiation. However, UV is hard to detect since there is no good “window” (material transparent to UV). Mills uses a pinhole technique. There are other methods which could work, depending on circumstances. One is Ultraviolet Fluorescence, which is well studied. In the right design UVF could actually provide positive feedback to the reaction.
Re: [Vo]:Some questions about H(1) ultra dense hydrogen.
If I understand right, this idea from Lawandy seems compatible with some recent posts by Ecco on Quantum Heat so I think you may have something there. It will be interesting to see where it goes. > On 23 May 2016, at 19:13, Jones Beene wrote: > > The answer to these questions varies wildly, according to the theorist. There > is little proof that can be called firm. The theory that appeals to me the > most is not Holmlid’s but the one of Lawandy. In that theory, there must be a > dielectric support for UDH, which is always paired. A larger cluster of pairs > is possible with no electrons – instead the charge is balanced by deflated > electrons captured in the dielectric. The paper is on the LENR-CANR site. > There is no “Rydberg matter” per se, but this dense state can be labeled as > IRH or inverted Rydberg hydrogen. > > From: Stephen Cooke > > Oops i meant H(0) of course > > Some questions about H(1) ultra dense hydrogen: > > Is it possible for H(1) to exist as only one pair of atoms in dense form or > is a layer of additional pairs in a vortex is required to stabilise it? > > Does anyone know if H(1) matter would contain stable electron orbitals, or > would the electrons be freely moving in a conduction band? > > If it is possible to have a single pair and it has electron orbitals would > they look familiar? i.e. I suppose they would be external to the pair of > protons, would they there for look like orbitals from Helium atom with some > offset due to the different reduced mass due to lack of neutrons, and > different spin state of the nucleus? Or would they be more complex due to > dynamics of the proton pair? > > Is there a reason the protons in the pair do not repel each other? is it > sufficient that the 2 elections stabilise them somehow or does it require > interactions with other pairs in the vortex to remain stable? > >
Re: [Vo]:Some questions about H(1) ultra dense hydrogen.
Thanks for pointing me towards these theories Jones Beene I will try to take a look at them. I have a few other questions about H(0) and D(0) to add to my earlier list if I may: If the two nuclei are separated by 2.3 pm I suppose the are rotating about their center of mass. Would those nuclei generate Bremsstrahlung radiation or would they be in some kind of non radiating stable electron like orbitals, around the center of mass (i.e. Some kind of proton or nuclei orbitals rather than electron orbitals)? Would the electron orbitals be perturbed by the dynamics of the paired nuclei?. A kind of 2.1 body problem. If so would this lead to photon radiation from the dynamic impacts on the electron orbitals? Could the nuclei orbitals or orbits be comparable in magnitude in size to the slow neutron cross sections for those nuclei? Is there something about the charge distribution of the pair of electrons in an S orbital with angular momentum 0, that allows the protons to orbit in a pair inside this orbitals? Or do the protons or nuclei themselves form a kind of couper pair in there orbit state? Could one nucleus influence the weak force interactions in the other nucleus when in these close configurations? I.e. Could one nucleus stimulate electron capture in the paired nucleus? And if so could the resulting neutron be captured? What would be the effect on H(0) or D(0) if one of the electrons is excited to a higher orbital state such as a P1 orbital? I guess if the electrons are in conduction bands half of these questions are irrelevant. Probably too many questions too with no answers so I apologize about that. I'm just curious if QM orbital modeling has explored any of these concepts. > On 23 May 2016, at 19:13, Jones Beene wrote: > > The answer to these questions varies wildly, according to the theorist. There > is little proof that can be called firm. The theory that appeals to me the > most is not Holmlid’s but the one of Lawandy. In that theory, there must be a > dielectric support for UDH, which is always paired. A larger cluster of pairs > is possible with no electrons – instead the charge is balanced by deflated > electrons captured in the dielectric. The paper is on the LENR-CANR site. > There is no “Rydberg matter” per se, but this dense state can be labeled as > IRH or inverted Rydberg hydrogen. > > From: Stephen Cooke > > Oops i meant H(0) of course > > Some questions about H(1) ultra dense hydrogen: > > Is it possible for H(1) to exist as only one pair of atoms in dense form or > is a layer of additional pairs in a vortex is required to stabilise it? > > Does anyone know if H(1) matter would contain stable electron orbitals, or > would the electrons be freely moving in a conduction band? > > If it is possible to have a single pair and it has electron orbitals would > they look familiar? i.e. I suppose they would be external to the pair of > protons, would they there for look like orbitals from Helium atom with some > offset due to the different reduced mass due to lack of neutrons, and > different spin state of the nucleus? Or would they be more complex due to > dynamics of the proton pair? > > Is there a reason the protons in the pair do not repel each other? is it > sufficient that the 2 elections stabilise them somehow or does it require > interactions with other pairs in the vortex to remain stable? > >
RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Some questions about H(1) ultra dense hydrogen.
On Mon 5/23 Jones said [snip] The theory that appeals to me the most is not Holmlid's but the one of Lawandy. In that theory, there must be a dielectric support for UDH, which is always paired.[/snip] which also fits nicely with lack of hydrinos available for study and Mill's reliance on hydrides. From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 1:14 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Some questions about H(1) ultra dense hydrogen. The answer to these questions varies wildly, according to the theorist. There is little proof that can be called firm. The theory that appeals to me the most is not Holmlid's but the one of Lawandy. In that theory, there must be a dielectric support for UDH, which is always paired. A larger cluster of pairs is possible with no electrons - instead the charge is balanced by deflated electrons captured in the dielectric. The paper is on the LENR-CANR site. There is no "Rydberg matter" per se, but this dense state can be labeled as IRH or inverted Rydberg hydrogen. From: Stephen Cooke Oops i meant H(0) of course Some questions about H(1) ultra dense hydrogen: Is it possible for H(1) to exist as only one pair of atoms in dense form or is a layer of additional pairs in a vortex is required to stabilise it? Does anyone know if H(1) matter would contain stable electron orbitals, or would the electrons be freely moving in a conduction band? If it is possible to have a single pair and it has electron orbitals would they look familiar? i.e. I suppose they would be external to the pair of protons, would they there for look like orbitals from Helium atom with some offset due to the different reduced mass due to lack of neutrons, and different spin state of the nucleus? Or would they be more complex due to dynamics of the proton pair? Is there a reason the protons in the pair do not repel each other? is it sufficient that the 2 elections stabilise them somehow or does it require interactions with other pairs in the vortex to remain stable?
RE: [Vo]:Some questions about H(1) ultra dense hydrogen.
The answer to these questions varies wildly, according to the theorist. There is little proof that can be called firm. The theory that appeals to me the most is not Holmlid's but the one of Lawandy. In that theory, there must be a dielectric support for UDH, which is always paired. A larger cluster of pairs is possible with no electrons - instead the charge is balanced by deflated electrons captured in the dielectric. The paper is on the LENR-CANR site. There is no "Rydberg matter" per se, but this dense state can be labeled as IRH or inverted Rydberg hydrogen. From: Stephen Cooke Oops i meant H(0) of course Some questions about H(1) ultra dense hydrogen: Is it possible for H(1) to exist as only one pair of atoms in dense form or is a layer of additional pairs in a vortex is required to stabilise it? Does anyone know if H(1) matter would contain stable electron orbitals, or would the electrons be freely moving in a conduction band? If it is possible to have a single pair and it has electron orbitals would they look familiar? i.e. I suppose they would be external to the pair of protons, would they there for look like orbitals from Helium atom with some offset due to the different reduced mass due to lack of neutrons, and different spin state of the nucleus? Or would they be more complex due to dynamics of the proton pair? Is there a reason the protons in the pair do not repel each other? is it sufficient that the 2 elections stabilise them somehow or does it require interactions with other pairs in the vortex to remain stable?
RE: [Vo]:Some questions about H(1) ultra dense hydrogen.
Oops i meant H(0) of course From: stephen_coo...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 17:19:02 +0200 Subject: [Vo]:Some questions about H(1) ultra dense hydrogen. Some questions about H(1) ultra dense hydrogen: Is it possible for H(1) to exist as only one pair of atoms in dense form or is a layer of additional pairs in a vortex is required to stabilise it? Does anyone know if H(1) matter would contain stable electron orbitals, or would the electrons be freely moving in a conduction band? If it is possible to have a single pair and it has electron orbitals would they look familiar? i.e. I suppose they would be external to the pair of protons, would they there for look like orbitals from Helium atom with some offset due to the different reduced mass due to lack of neutrons, and different spin state of the nucleus? Or would they be more complex due to dynamics of the proton pair? Is there a reason the protons in the pair do not repel each other? is it sufficient that the 2 elections stabilise them somehow or does it require interactions with other pairs in the vortex to remain stable?
