Re: [Vo]:tunneling in chemical reactions, esp. involving H transfer
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Researchers at the University of Georgia in the US have discovered a possible form of tunneling in connection with chemical reactions, especially if hydrogen transfer is involved: http://news.uga.edu/releases/article/uga-researcher-discovery-new-force-chemical-reactions/ (From a link posted by Ron B to the MFPM comments section of the most recent blog post.) Eric That is the first depiction I have ever seen of Schrodinger's cat escaping from Schrodinger's box. What is the world comming to when Schrodinger's Cat won't stay put? ;-) Harry
Re: [Vo]:tunneling in chemical reactions, esp. involving H transfer
http://www.ezra.chem.cornell.edu/cat_poem.pdf On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Researchers at the University of Georgia in the US have discovered a possible form of tunneling in connection with chemical reactions, especially if hydrogen transfer is involved: http://news.uga.edu/releases/article/uga-researcher-discovery-new-force-chemical-reactions/ (From a link posted by Ron B to the MFPM comments section of the most recent blog post.) Eric That is the first depiction I have ever seen of Schrodinger's cat escaping from Schrodinger's box. What is the world comming to when Schrodinger's Cat won't stay put? ;-) Harry
FW: Re: [Vo]:\Tunneling\
On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 23:13: Harry Veeder wrote Harry, [snip] I am not familiar with this concept of equivalent acceleration.[/snip] Same as gravity we experience 9.8 m/s^2 as an averaging effect that changes the gradient at our scale but,IMHO, at the subatomic level or amplified by suppression this level can be concentrated to the point where it affects the half lives of radioactive gases. This is still relativistic hydrogen but through equivalent acceleration. The twin paradox can be accomplished by spatial acceleration or by equivalent acceleration where one twin sits at the bottom of a very deep gravity well and accumulates time dilation just as if he were actually traveling at the equivalent velocity. I don't think we have a true understanding for just how strong these nano forces can be concentrated by suppression. We see everything from a macro perspective where the isotropy represents a huge averaging down of these forces by all the empty space between matter. Suppression by itself only rescales things but when you store some of this energy in the kinetic motion of gas you realize the potential to carry away (coast) with some of this energy into other matter at different levels of suppression. Like the twin paradox these atoms have no idea they are contracted, from their perspective they are simply being pushed through normal space but from our perspective they appear time dilated while remaining relatively stationary spatially. You can see my interest in how this could relate to tunneling and the reduced columbic barrier as these relativistic interactions would affect the time metrics. [snip] Is the lattice responsible for this suppression?[/snip] Yes -not as concentrated as a Casimir cavity but still suppressed - My opinion regarding why DiFiore et all were unable to accumulate the sudden break in isotropy by stacking Casimir cavities and why we have claims of both accelerated and retarded half lives of radioactive gas is because suppression actually represents a segregation of isotropy where the sudden concentrated break noted for cavities is balanced by a larger slower gradient of enhancement outside the cavity wall that acts as a reservoir feeding the cavity. On a very local scale I think the lattice nuclei performs a similar segregation Of isotropy where the interstitial space between lattice nuclei forms pockets where protons and possibly condensed forms of hydrogen molecules can load/reside due to suppression. In my extended Puthoff atomic model the nuclei presents more opposition to the vacuum flux than Orbitals forming a relativistic micro well where electrons chase behind the nuclei Like tethered balls - never able to catch up but rather forming a balance with the opposing vacuum flux streaming through our physical plane. In a metal lattice the tops of these wells arrange themselves into geometric zones with anomalously large spatial volume where the gas proton with appropriate orientation can stably load into the lattice. I believe condensed h2 can also be loaded into the lattice but think higher suppression of h1 by defects or cavities is first required for the suppressed h2 to form and then it must remain suppressed inside the lattice until it finds a vacancy. I think the reason no one ever sees a stationary hydrino or relativistic hydrogen is because the covalent bond isn't strong enough to keep the micro wells tied together without suppression - catalytic disassociation can occur going from h2 into suppression OR from suppressed/fractional h2 to a different suppression level. So when the suppressed h2 exits the lattice it disassociates- possibly many times as nature may reform different fractional h2 values until the suppression is finally dissipated. I would point to the odd spectrum of Black Light plasma as being due to this relativistic interpretation of suppression. Regards Fran on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 11:27 Harry Veeder wrote [snip]The concept of quantum mechanical tunneling suggests that a particle can, with a certain probability, bore its way through a columb barrier. Suppose, instead, the probability is indicative of a fluctuating columb field in which portals momentarily open and close. A particle that happens to be moving quickly enough and is headed in the right direction would be able to coast through an opening before it closes.[/snip] Harry, Your description also supports Naudt's proposal of relativistic hydrogen - this isn't hydrogen at near C spatial velocity but equivalent acceleration I am not familiar with this concept of equivalent acceleration. caused by DIRECT manipulation of vacuum energy density using suppression. Is the lattice responsible for this suppression? Your statement [snip] A particle that happens to be moving quickly enough and is headed in the right direction would be able to coast through an opening before it closes.[/snip] has a temporal interpretation. The
Re: [Vo]:Tunneling
From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 9:26:31 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Tunneling on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 11:27 Harry Veeder wrote [snip]The concept of quantum mechanical tunneling suggests that a particle can, with a certain probability, bore its way through a columb barrier. Suppose, instead, the probability is indicative of a fluctuating columb field in which portals momentarily open and close. A particle that happens to be moving quickly enough and is headed in the right direction would be able to coast through an opening before it closes.[/snip] Harry, Your description also supports Naudt’s proposal of relativistic hydrogen – this isn’t hydrogen at near C spatial velocity but equivalent acceleration I am not familiar with this concept of equivalent acceleration. caused by DIRECT manipulation of vacuum energy density using suppression. Is the lattice responsible for this suppression? Your statement [snip] “A particle that happens to be moving quickly enough and is headed in the right direction would be able to coast through an opening before it closes.[/snip] has a temporal interpretation. The “opening” of which you speak is the Pythagorean difference of matter in different inertial frames to the time axis, IMHO the hydrogen undergoes the same gamma transformation as if were travelling at near luminal SPATIAL velocity and coasting into a stationary Ni atom. From a 4d perspective the “equivalent” velo city of Hydrogen persists (coasts) long enough to interact with nearly stationary (by comparison) Ni. The 3D orientation of the stationary Ni coulomb barrier to the time axis is different than the orientation of the 3D electric field of the accelerated hydrogen to the time axis. The opposition is discounted by the reduced overlap of 3D space – from each others perspective they both seem reduced in physical size but unlike Lorentzian contraction on a spatial vector I believe “equivalent” acceleration results in a symetrical contraction on all spatial axis because the “equivalent” vector is displaced 90 degrees from the spatial plane. Perhaps this is why UFO’s give the APPEARANCE of rapid spatial velocity and turning ability but are so difficult for radar to track :_) The 4D stuff is hard to follow. ;-)
RE: [Vo]:Tunneling
on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 11:27 Harry Veeder wrote [snip]The concept of quantum mechanical tunneling suggests that a particle can, with a certain probability, bore its way through a columb barrier. Suppose, instead, the probability is indicative of a fluctuating columb field in which portals momentarily open and close. A particle that happens to be moving quickly enough and is headed in the right direction would be able to coast through an opening before it closes.[/snip] Harry, Your description also supports Naudt's proposal of relativistic hydrogen - this isn't hydrogen at near C spatial velocity but equivalent acceleration caused by DIRECT manipulation of vacuum energy density using suppression. Your statement [snip] A particle that happens to be moving quickly enough and is headed in the right direction would be able to coast through an opening before it closes.[/snip] has a temporal interpretation. The opening of which you speak is the Pythagorean difference of matter in different inertial frames to the time axis, IMHO the hydrogen undergoes the same gamma transformation as if were travelling at near luminal SPATIAL velocity and coasting into a stationary Ni atom. From a 4d perspective the equivalent velocity of Hydrogen persists (coasts) long enough to interact with nearly stationary (by comparison) Ni. The 3D orientation of the stationary Ni coulomb barrier to the time axis is different than the orientation of the 3D electric field of the accelerated hydrogen to the time axis. The opposition is discounted by the reduced overlap of 3D space - from each others perspective they both seem reduced in physical size but unlike Lorentzian contraction on a spatial vector I believe equivalent acceleration results in a symetrical contraction on all spatial axis because the equivalent vector is displaced 90 degrees from the spatial plane. Perhaps this is why UFO's give the APPEARANCE of rapid spatial velocity and turning ability but are so difficult for radar to track :_) Regards Fran
