subject:"RE\: \[Vo\]\:new experiment \(nitinol\)"

Thanks Chuck,

It's encouraging to know we've had the same ideas!  You may not have had
the polarity wrong.  I've gone through two wires with it so far.  I've
thought maybe I was putting too much power through it, but it also may be
that the hydrogen loading is very rough on the wire.  After running ~5 hrs
the wire broke and you could touch it, and it would disintegrate.  I may
need to try thicker wire (using .009 currently).


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Chuck Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Jack,

Keep on experimenting!  Your following the same track that I did, and
 Nitinol was one thought I had.  The idea at the time was to load hydrogen
  into nitinol, and then crank up the current to flex the metal lattice with
 the H embedded in  the crystal structure.   I think I had the polarity
 wrong as the nitinol dissolved in the solution.  Anyway, keep on
 experimenting.  You might be on to something.


 On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been conducting a new series of electrolysis experiments with
 Nitinol (56% nickel/44% titanium).  I did a little video demonstrating
 nitinol's effect of contracting when heated while running an electrolysis
 experiment.  I'm using KOH as the electrolyte.

 May be of interest to some here.  Seems to me that this alloy may be
 promising for LENR.


 http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2013/01/23/automated-android-electrolysis-system-nitinol-demonstration/

 Best regards,
 Jack

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

Thanks for the suggestions Jones.  I will give that a try.


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

  A combination of vinegar and hydrogen peroxide works with nickel-copper
 and is very safe. This is often used to etch PCBs. Using a few volts with
 the wire as cathode  should also load H2. The muriatic may work better on
 Nitinol.

 ** **

 This is not precise calorimetry – Terry… you can to call it “thermometry”
 and be sure to stir. Just a simple way to gauge the comparative ability to
 raise the temp of a known mass of water. Using the specific heat to arrive
 at joules and logging the P-in, you can get a ballpark but the basic idea
 is *comparative* between a wire that may be slightly gainful and one that
 may be slightly endothermic.

 ** **

 The idea is to see if there is anything “obvious” there, before incurring
 the expense and time of doing it right. For instance, going from 25C to 75C
 in an hour with Constantan at (x)watts P-in vs. 25 C to 65 C with Nitinol
 (both wires of the same Ohmic resistance) and everything else being the
 same … that would be interesting enough to dig deeper, no?

 ** **

 Ahern’s finding of anomalous endotherm with nickel-titanium is ‘out there’
 in the public record and ought to be corroborated or debunked.

 ** **

 *From:* Jack Cole 

 ** **

 I could run some low power electrolysis for a day or two in some diluted
 hydrochloric acid.  Think that would do the trick?  Or do you have another
 idea for the acid?

 Hydrogen loading will surely be necessary at some level, but can possibly
 be accommodated by combination of low pH electrolyte, not so low as to
 dissolve the wires… or preferably by preloading etched wires for a day
 under H2 pressure and modest heat, or even the simplest expedient which
 would be during a slow electro-etching in weak acid- with the wires as
 cathodes. The last would be the easiest to try for anyone without H2.

  

 ** **

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

I ordered several additional meters of nitinol and constantan wire (.8mm).
 It took some work to find similar diameters.


On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for the suggestions Jones.  I will give that a try.


 On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

  A combination of vinegar and hydrogen peroxide works with nickel-copper
 and is very safe. This is often used to etch PCBs. Using a few volts with
 the wire as cathode  should also load H2. The muriatic may work better on
 Nitinol.

 ** **

 This is not precise calorimetry – Terry… you can to call it “thermometry”
 and be sure to stir. Just a simple way to gauge the comparative ability to
 raise the temp of a known mass of water. Using the specific heat to arrive
 at joules and logging the P-in, you can get a ballpark but the basic idea
 is *comparative* between a wire that may be slightly gainful and one
 that may be slightly endothermic.

 ** **

 The idea is to see if there is anything “obvious” there, before incurring
 the expense and time of doing it right. For instance, going from 25C to 75C
 in an hour with Constantan at (x)watts P-in vs. 25 C to 65 C with Nitinol
 (both wires of the same Ohmic resistance) and everything else being the
 same … that would be interesting enough to dig deeper, no?

 ** **

 Ahern’s finding of anomalous endotherm with nickel-titanium is ‘out
 there’ in the public record and ought to be corroborated or debunked.

 ** **

 *From:* Jack Cole 

 ** **

 I could run some low power electrolysis for a day or two in some diluted
 hydrochloric acid.  Think that would do the trick?  Or do you have another
 idea for the acid?

 Hydrogen loading will surely be necessary at some level, but can possibly
 be accommodated by combination of low pH electrolyte, not so low as to
 dissolve the wires… or preferably by preloading etched wires for a day
 under H2 pressure and modest heat, or even the simplest expedient which
 would be during a slow electro-etching in weak acid- with the wires as
 cathodes. The last would be the easiest to try for anyone without H2.

  

 ** **

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

2013-01-24 Thread Terry Blanton

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:06 PM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote:
 Obviously this is not as sensitive as advanced
 calorimetry, but it is also not without utility.

Roger.

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

Jones,

I went back and looked at some of my previous results, and they do raise
the possibility of anomalous cooling.  I was a little confused by these
results at the time.

After our discussion, I think this is exactly what you were predicting.
 The control trial used HFAC pulses through a beverage heating element (2
seconds) alternating with 30VDC electrolysis through the nitinol wire (10
seconds).  The experimental run used 30VDC electrolysis for 10 seconds
alternating with 2 second HFAC pulses through the nitinol.  Notice that the
beverage heater temperature produced results above the predicted amount and
nitinol pulses produced results below the predicted amount.  I don't make a
whole lot of the beverage heater being above the predictions because I
don't think there would have been a lot of hydrogen loading into that.  But
the nitinol results are intriguing enough to explore further.

Here is the chart.

http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/EXP52.png

Best regards,
Jack


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

  A combination of vinegar and hydrogen peroxide works with nickel-copper
 and is very safe. This is often used to etch PCBs. Using a few volts with
 the wire as cathode  should also load H2. The muriatic may work better on
 Nitinol.

 ** **

 This is not precise calorimetry – Terry… you can to call it “thermometry”
 and be sure to stir. Just a simple way to gauge the comparative ability to
 raise the temp of a known mass of water. Using the specific heat to arrive
 at joules and logging the P-in, you can get a ballpark but the basic idea
 is *comparative* between a wire that may be slightly gainful and one that
 may be slightly endothermic.

 ** **

 The idea is to see if there is anything “obvious” there, before incurring
 the expense and time of doing it right. For instance, going from 25C to 75C
 in an hour with Constantan at (x)watts P-in vs. 25 C to 65 C with Nitinol
 (both wires of the same Ohmic resistance) and everything else being the
 same … that would be interesting enough to dig deeper, no?

 ** **

 Ahern’s finding of anomalous endotherm with nickel-titanium is ‘out there’
 in the public record and ought to be corroborated or debunked.

 ** **

 *From:* Jack Cole 

 ** **

 I could run some low power electrolysis for a day or two in some diluted
 hydrochloric acid.  Think that would do the trick?  Or do you have another
 idea for the acid?

 Hydrogen loading will surely be necessary at some level, but can possibly
 be accommodated by combination of low pH electrolyte, not so low as to
 dissolve the wires… or preferably by preloading etched wires for a day
 under H2 pressure and modest heat, or even the simplest expedient which
 would be during a slow electro-etching in weak acid- with the wires as
 cathodes. The last would be the easiest to try for anyone without H2.

  

 ** **

RE: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

2013-01-24 Thread Jones Beene

Jack - Well that is interesting. It may be a relic of too little data which
will average out over time, but it may also mean something now.

 

IOW, it begs for more confirming data with slight changes that would
accentuate the effect by adding increasing levels of H loading with every
run. Since you have some data that indicates an effect, if another set of
runs confirms this at a higher level based on the prediction of an effect
due to increased hydrogen loading - then it becomes more meaningful. 

 

Why not go back and do several more sets of identical runs like those - with
the only change being that you have electro-etched the exposed electrodes
for units of increasing duration. 

 

If that chart then shows a trend towards greater and greater delta-T (both
up and down) with increasing loading - then. voila, you have something which
could be important.  

 

 

 

From: Jack Cole 

 

Jones,

 

I went back and looked at some of my previous results, and they do raise the
possibility of anomalous cooling.  I was a little confused by these results
at the time.

 

After our discussion, I think this is exactly what you were predicting.  The
control trial used HFAC pulses through a beverage heating element (2
seconds) alternating with 30VDC electrolysis through the nitinol wire (10
seconds).  The experimental run used 30VDC electrolysis for 10 seconds
alternating with 2 second HFAC pulses through the nitinol.  Notice that the
beverage heater temperature produced results above the predicted amount and
nitinol pulses produced results below the predicted amount.  I don't make a
whole lot of the beverage heater being above the predictions because I don't
think there would have been a lot of hydrogen loading into that.  But the
nitinol results are intriguing enough to explore further.

 

Here is the chart.

 

http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/EXP52.png

 

Best regards,

Jack

 

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

A combination of vinegar and hydrogen peroxide works with nickel-copper and
is very safe. This is often used to etch PCBs. Using a few volts with the
wire as cathode  should also load H2. The muriatic may work better on
Nitinol.

 

This is not precise calorimetry - Terry. you can to call it thermometry
and be sure to stir. Just a simple way to gauge the comparative ability to
raise the temp of a known mass of water. Using the specific heat to arrive
at joules and logging the P-in, you can get a ballpark but the basic idea is
comparative between a wire that may be slightly gainful and one that may be
slightly endothermic.

 

The idea is to see if there is anything obvious there, before incurring
the expense and time of doing it right. For instance, going from 25C to 75C
in an hour with Constantan at (x)watts P-in vs. 25 C to 65 C with Nitinol
(both wires of the same Ohmic resistance) and everything else being the same
. that would be interesting enough to dig deeper, no?

 

Ahern's finding of anomalous endotherm with nickel-titanium is 'out there'
in the public record and ought to be corroborated or debunked.

 

From: Jack Cole 

 

I could run some low power electrolysis for a day or two in some diluted
hydrochloric acid.  Think that would do the trick?  Or do you have another
idea for the acid?

Hydrogen loading will surely be necessary at some level, but can possibly be
accommodated by combination of low pH electrolyte, not so low as to dissolve
the wires. or preferably by preloading etched wires for a day under H2
pressure and modest heat, or even the simplest expedient which would be
during a slow electro-etching in weak acid- with the wires as cathodes. The
last would be the easiest to try for anyone without H2.

RE: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

2013-01-24 Thread Jones Beene

BTW - can you find out what metal the beverage heater is made of?

 

Probably stainless and NOT chrome plated (hexavalent chrome is highly
toxic).

 

If it were to be the 316L grade of SS that could be important. This grade
has been associated with energy anomalies. That could relate to why it
performed better than expected.

 

 

From: Jones Beene 

 

Jack - Well that is interesting. It may be a relic of too little data which
will average out over time, but it may also mean something now.

 

IOW, it begs for more confirming data with slight changes that would
accentuate the effect by adding increasing levels of H loading with every
run. Since you have some data that indicates an effect, if another set of
runs confirms this at a higher level based on the prediction of an effect
due to increased hydrogen loading - then it becomes more meaningful. 

 

Why not go back and do several more sets of identical runs like those - with
the only change being that you have electro-etched the exposed electrodes
for units of increasing duration. 

 

If that chart then shows a trend towards greater and greater delta-T (both
up and down) with increasing loading - then. voila, you have something which
could be important.  

 

 

 

From: Jack Cole 

 

Jones,

 

I went back and looked at some of my previous results, and they do raise the
possibility of anomalous cooling.  I was a little confused by these results
at the time.

 

After our discussion, I think this is exactly what you were predicting.  The
control trial used HFAC pulses through a beverage heating element (2
seconds) alternating with 30VDC electrolysis through the nitinol wire (10
seconds).  The experimental run used 30VDC electrolysis for 10 seconds
alternating with 2 second HFAC pulses through the nitinol.  Notice that the
beverage heater temperature produced results above the predicted amount and
nitinol pulses produced results below the predicted amount.  I don't make a
whole lot of the beverage heater being above the predictions because I don't
think there would have been a lot of hydrogen loading into that.  But the
nitinol results are intriguing enough to explore further.

 

Here is the chart.

 

http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/EXP52.png

 

Best regards,

Jack

 

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

A combination of vinegar and hydrogen peroxide works with nickel-copper and
is very safe. This is often used to etch PCBs. Using a few volts with the
wire as cathode  should also load H2. The muriatic may work better on
Nitinol.

 

This is not precise calorimetry - Terry. you can to call it thermometry
and be sure to stir. Just a simple way to gauge the comparative ability to
raise the temp of a known mass of water. Using the specific heat to arrive
at joules and logging the P-in, you can get a ballpark but the basic idea is
comparative between a wire that may be slightly gainful and one that may be
slightly endothermic.

 

The idea is to see if there is anything obvious there, before incurring
the expense and time of doing it right. For instance, going from 25C to 75C
in an hour with Constantan at (x)watts P-in vs. 25 C to 65 C with Nitinol
(both wires of the same Ohmic resistance) and everything else being the same
. that would be interesting enough to dig deeper, no?

 

Ahern's finding of anomalous endotherm with nickel-titanium is 'out there'
in the public record and ought to be corroborated or debunked.

 

From: Jack Cole 

 

I could run some low power electrolysis for a day or two in some diluted
hydrochloric acid.  Think that would do the trick?  Or do you have another
idea for the acid?

Hydrogen loading will surely be necessary at some level, but can possibly be
accommodated by combination of low pH electrolyte, not so low as to dissolve
the wires. or preferably by preloading etched wires for a day under H2
pressure and modest heat, or even the simplest expedient which would be
during a slow electro-etching in weak acid- with the wires as cathodes. The
last would be the easiest to try for anyone without H2.

RE: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

2013-01-24 Thread Jones Beene

Whoa ! Hold everything. What a find.

This Watta-heater is copper nickel plated...

http://www.amazon.com/Lewis-N-Clark-Watta-Heater/dp/B0045E4DSW

Heck - here is your basic Celani replication experiment for 16 bucks.

Jones




From: Jones Beene 

BTW - can you find out what metal the beverage heater is
made of?

Probably stainless and NOT chrome plated (hexavalent chrome
is highly toxic).

If it were to be the 316L grade of SS that could be
important. This grade has been associated with energy anomalies. That could
relate to why it performed better than expected.


From: Jones Beene 

Jack - Well that is interesting. It may be a
relic of too little data which will average out over time, but it may also
mean something now.

IOW, it begs for more confirming data with
slight changes that would accentuate the effect by adding increasing levels
of H loading with every run. Since you have some data that indicates an
effect, if another set of runs confirms this at a higher level based on the
prediction of an effect due to increased hydrogen loading - then it becomes
more meaningful. 

Why not go back and do several more sets of
identical runs like those - with the only change being that you have
electro-etched the exposed electrodes for units of increasing duration. 

If that chart then shows a trend towards
greater and greater delta-T (both up and down) with increasing loading -
then. voila, you have something which could be important.  



From: Jack Cole 

Jones,

I went back and looked at some of my
previous results, and they do raise the possibility of anomalous cooling.  I
was a little confused by these results at the time.

After our discussion, I think this is
exactly what you were predicting.  The control trial used HFAC pulses
through a beverage heating element (2 seconds) alternating with 30VDC
electrolysis through the nitinol wire (10 seconds).  The experimental run
used 30VDC electrolysis for 10 seconds alternating with 2 second HFAC pulses
through the nitinol.  Notice that the beverage heater temperature produced
results above the predicted amount and nitinol pulses produced results below
the predicted amount.  I don't make a whole lot of the beverage heater being
above the predictions because I don't think there would have been a lot of
hydrogen loading into that.  But the nitinol results are intriguing enough
to explore further.

Here is the chart.


http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/EXP52.png

Best regards,
Jack

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Jones Beene
jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
A combination of vinegar and hydrogen
peroxide works with nickel-copper and is very safe. This is often used to
etch PCBs. Using a few volts with the wire as cathode  should also load H2.
The muriatic may work better on Nitinol.
 
This is not precise calorimetry - Terry...
you can to call it thermometry and be sure to stir. Just a simple way to
gauge the comparative ability to raise the temp of a known mass of water.
Using the specific heat to arrive at joules and logging the P-in, you can
get a ballpark but the basic idea is comparative between a wire that may be
slightly gainful and one that may be slightly endothermic.
 
The idea is to see if there is anything
obvious there, before incurring the expense and time of doing it right.
For instance, going from 25C to 75C in an hour with Constantan at (x)watts
P-in vs. 25 C to 65 C with Nitinol (both wires of the same Ohmic resistance)
and everything else being the same ... that would be interesting enough to
dig deeper, no?
 
Ahern's finding of anomalous endotherm with
nickel-titanium is 'out there' in the public record and ought to be
corroborated or debunked.
 
From: Jack Cole 
 
I could run some low power electrolysis for
a day or two in some diluted hydrochloric acid.  Think that would do the
trick?  Or do you have another idea for the acid?

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

I went back and double checked the calculations and the beverage heater
control was actually below the predicted level as well.  The predicted
value for the control run was incorrect, but the rest of the data was
correct.  Anyway, I think the beverage heater is less efficient with pulse
heating possibly because of it's mass.

But anyway, I think that the same type of experiment with impedance matched
nitinol vs. constantan would be very interesting.  What I'll do is several
runs of each and then average the results across the runs.  I haven't been
able to discover yet what the heater is made of, but it looks fairly
similar to the one you found.


On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 Whoa ! Hold everything. What a find.

 This Watta-heater is copper nickel plated...

 http://www.amazon.com/Lewis-N-Clark-Watta-Heater/dp/B0045E4DSW

 Heck - here is your basic Celani replication experiment for 16 bucks.

 Jones




 From: Jones Beene

 BTW - can you find out what metal the beverage heater is
 made of?

 Probably stainless and NOT chrome plated (hexavalent chrome
 is highly toxic).

 If it were to be the 316L grade of SS that could be
 important. This grade has been associated with energy anomalies. That could
 relate to why it performed better than expected.


 From: Jones Beene

 Jack - Well that is interesting. It may be
 a
 relic of too little data which will average out over time, but it may also
 mean something now.

 IOW, it begs for more confirming data with
 slight changes that would accentuate the effect by adding increasing levels
 of H loading with every run. Since you have some data that indicates an
 effect, if another set of runs confirms this at a higher level based on the
 prediction of an effect due to increased hydrogen loading - then it becomes
 more meaningful.

 Why not go back and do several more sets of
 identical runs like those - with the only change being that you have
 electro-etched the exposed electrodes for units of increasing duration.

 If that chart then shows a trend towards
 greater and greater delta-T (both up and down) with increasing loading -
 then. voila, you have something which could be important.



 From: Jack Cole

 Jones,

 I went back and looked at some of my
 previous results, and they do raise the possibility of anomalous cooling.
  I
 was a little confused by these results at the time.

 After our discussion, I think this is
 exactly what you were predicting.  The control trial used HFAC pulses
 through a beverage heating element (2 seconds) alternating with 30VDC
 electrolysis through the nitinol wire (10 seconds).  The experimental run
 used 30VDC electrolysis for 10 seconds alternating with 2 second HFAC
 pulses
 through the nitinol.  Notice that the beverage heater temperature produced
 results above the predicted amount and nitinol pulses produced results
 below
 the predicted amount.  I don't make a whole lot of the beverage heater
 being
 above the predictions because I don't think there would have been a lot of
 hydrogen loading into that.  But the nitinol results are intriguing enough
 to explore further.

 Here is the chart.


 http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/EXP52.png

 Best regards,
 Jack

 On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Jones
 Beene
 jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
 A combination of vinegar and hydrogen
 peroxide works with nickel-copper and is very safe. This is often used to
 etch PCBs. Using a few volts with the wire as cathode  should also load H2.
 The muriatic may work better on Nitinol.

 This is not precise calorimetry - Terry...
 you can to call it thermometry and be sure to stir. Just a simple way to
 gauge the comparative ability to raise the temp of a known mass of water.
 Using the specific heat to arrive at joules and logging the P-in, you can
 get a ballpark but the basic idea is comparative between a wire that may be
 slightly gainful and one that may be slightly endothermic.

 The idea is to see if there is anything
 obvious there, before incurring the expense and time of doing it right.
 For instance, going from 25C to 75C in an hour with Constantan at (x)watts
 P-in vs. 25 C to 65 C with Nitinol (both wires of the same Ohmic
 resistance)
 and everything else being the same ... that would be interesting enough to
 dig deeper, no?

 Ahern's finding of anomalous endotherm with

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

2013-01-24 Thread Terry Blanton

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 Whoa ! Hold everything. What a find.

 This Watta-heater is copper nickel plated...

 http://www.amazon.com/Lewis-N-Clark-Watta-Heater/dp/B0045E4DSW

 Heck - here is your basic Celani replication experiment for 16 bucks.


ROFL!  This is all going to be so funny 100 years from now when students
must write reports on the history of this tech.  Especially when you roll
in the Thermacore results.

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

Here is where I got the nitinol for those interested:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003R5028K/ref=biss_dp_sa1

It would certainly be something if this ended up being replicated with a
beverage heater.  ;)


On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 Whoa ! Hold everything. What a find.

 This Watta-heater is copper nickel plated...

 http://www.amazon.com/Lewis-N-Clark-Watta-Heater/dp/B0045E4DSW

 Heck - here is your basic Celani replication experiment for 16 bucks.


 ROFL!  This is all going to be so funny 100 years from now when students
 must write reports on the history of this tech.  Especially when you roll
 in the Thermacore results.

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

Might try again.  Seems to be working fine now.


On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

  I get an error message from that page

 ** **

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* Jack Cole 

 ** **

 I've been conducting a new series of electrolysis experiments with Nitinol
 (56% nickel/44% titanium).  I did a little video demonstrating nitinol's
 effect of contracting when heated while running an electrolysis experiment.
  I'm using KOH as the electrolyte.

 ** **

 May be of interest to some here.  Seems to me that this alloy may be
 promising for LENR.

 ** **


 http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2013/01/23/automated-android-electrolysis-system-nitinol-demonstration/
 

 ** **

 Best regards,

 Jack

RE: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

Jack,

Nitinol is a interesting choice since both nickel and titanium are proton
conductors with a history of positive results in LENR - and the wire is
commonly available. Plus there is the strange memory effect (which could
be utilized for audible resonance). 

It appears from your other pages that you've done simple calorimetry to see
if there is evidence of thermal gain using nickel, tungsten etc. Even though
those results were apparently inconclusive, does Nitinol appear to give
markedly different results from the others? 

I said different instead of better - since it should be mentioned that in
Ahern's testing for EPRI there was another anomaly - cooling. IIRC it was an
alloy of nickel and titanium (embedded in zirconia) which provided the
appearance of endotherm - the mysterious disappearance of input energy. It
might help to do an acid etch of the wire as the endotherm is associated
with nano-porosity (and Casimir - which can be both an attractive force or
repellent - depending on geometry changes)

If you were seeking anomalous endotherm, which could be equally important
(theoretically) to gainful exotherm, the experiment would probably need
different parameters - such as lower voltage DC and surface treatment for
nanostructure - but it could be worth the effort. 

Adding energy to achieve a lower thermal state may seem to be
counterproductive at first glance, but perhaps it is the one detail that
will make everything understandable. 

There was a bit of evidence that the quantumheat.org folks saw a bit of
endotherm and were trying to explain it way - rather than to deal with it as
part of the package of Ni-H oddities.

Jones

From: Jack Cole 

I've been conducting a new series of electrolysis experiments with Nitinol
(56% nickel/44% titanium).  I did a little video demonstrating nitinol's
effect of contracting when heated while running an electrolysis experiment.
I'm using KOH as the electrolyte. 

May be of interest to some here.  Seems to me that this alloy may be
promising for LENR. 

http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2013/01/23/automated-android-electrolysis-sys
tem-nitinol-demonstration/

 

Best regards,

Jack

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

Jones,

I'm still working the kinks out of the experimental procedures. At first
glance, the behavior doesn't appear to be different than the nickel and
tungsten.

What I am working on now is a three electrode system. One is made out of
nitinol, and I'm using this as a heating element only. Another is made out
of nitinol of the same length as the one used for the heating element. The
third is made from stainless steel.

With the Android control system, I am running DC electrolysis for 9 seconds
(16 watts) and then pulse 80-90 watts of 94khz AC (100 milliseconds)
through either the heating element or axially through the cathode.

What you end up with is a comparison of runs of pulsing the AC through the
cathode vs. pulsing it through the nitinol used as a heating element. I
have to make a new cathode and heating element and start over making
certain the impendance is matched for both. The idea is that you have one
nitinol wire loaded with hydrogen and one that is not loaded with hydrogen.
I'm thinking the HFAC current may trigger LENR in the hydrogen loaded
cathode but not in the heating element.

I thought the nitinol is intriguing for the reasons you noted (titanium and
nickel being used in past experiments) and its shape changing when heated.
I think the next thing to try will be a similar setup using a combination
of tungsten and nitinol paired together. Then we'll be running with 3
materials that have shown results from other researchers.

Also, thank you for the thoughts on endotherm possibilities. I'll keep
that in mind if I see something anomalous.

Jack

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

Jack,

Nitinol is a interesting choice since both nickel and titanium are proton
conductors with a history of positive results in LENR - and the wire is
commonly available. Plus there is the strange “memory” effect (which could
be utilized for audible resonance).

It appears from your other pages that you’ve done simple calorimetry to
see if there is evidence of thermal gain using nickel, tungsten etc. Even
though those results were apparently inconclusive, does Nitinol appear to
give markedly different results from the others?

I said “different” instead of better - since it should be mentioned that
in Ahern’s testing for EPRI there was another anomaly – cooling. IIRC it
was an alloy of nickel and titanium (embedded in zirconia) which provided
the appearance of endotherm – the mysterious disappearance of input energy.
It might help to do an acid etch of the wire as the endotherm is associated
with nano-porosity (and Casimir – which can be both an attractive force or
repellent - depending on geometry changes)

If you were seeking anomalous endotherm, which could be equally important
(theoretically) to gainful exotherm, the experiment would probably need
different parameters - such as lower voltage DC and surface treatment for
nanostructure - but it could be worth the effort.

Adding energy to achieve a lower thermal state may seem to be
counterproductive at first glance, but perhaps it is the one detail that
will make everything understandable.

There was a bit of evidence that the quantumheat.org folks saw a bit of
endotherm and were trying to explain it way – rather than to deal with it
as part of the package of Ni-H oddities.

Jones

*From:* Jack Cole

I've been conducting a new series of electrolysis experiments with Nitinol
(56% nickel/44% titanium). I did a little video demonstrating nitinol's
effect of contracting when heated while running an electrolysis experiment.
I'm using KOH as the electrolyte.

May be of interest to some here. Seems to me that this alloy may be
promising for LENR.

http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2013/01/23/automated-android-electrolysis-system-nitinol-demonstration/

Best regards,

Jack

** **

RE: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

2013-01-23 Thread Roarty, Francis X

I was not surprised about the article on nano silicon releasing 
hundreds of times more hydrogen from water, but  it makes me wonder if there is 
an inexpensive method to make nano geometry from these other LENR candidates 
like Nitol. We know that nano powders can be pyrophoric and poisonous to the 
touch but I think that is a qualification indicative of the process we are 
seeking. Below Jones cites the cooling anomalies also associated with these 
effects and I find myself wondering once again if this anomaly absolutely 
REQUIRES loading to scale up the effect.. I posit this is  a thermal power 
source created by a  Maxwellian demon that concentrates a heat generating 
environment inside the Casimir cavity while an opposite environment is 
dispersed over the external landscape - this would allow the size of the gas 
atoms to determine which environment they favor in a biased manner while the 
geometry already discriminates against one spatial axis... It is a natural 
segregator of gas atoms powered by HUP/gas motion. It appears to be violating 
the rule that we can not exploit energy from random gas motion and IMHO  places 
a caveat on how we should consider COE and overunity with respect to Casimir 
geometry. Note I don't have to dig into the virtual particles or suppression to 
simply label it a thermal segregation environment and still come away with an 
obvious need to load down a thermal power source before it is activated or you 
will destroy the geometry.
Fran
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:30 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

Jack,
Nitinol is a interesting choice since both nickel and titanium are proton 
conductors with a history of positive results in LENR - and the wire is 
commonly available. Plus there is the strange memory effect (which could be 
utilized for audible resonance).
It appears from your other pages that you've done simple calorimetry to see if 
there is evidence of thermal gain using nickel, tungsten etc. Even though those 
results were apparently inconclusive, does Nitinol appear to give markedly 
different results from the others?
I said different instead of better - since it should be mentioned that in 
Ahern's testing for EPRI there was another anomaly - cooling. IIRC it was an 
alloy of nickel and titanium (embedded in zirconia) which provided the 
appearance of endotherm - the mysterious disappearance of input energy. It 
might help to do an acid etch of the wire as the endotherm is associated with 
nano-porosity (and Casimir - which can be both an attractive force or repellent 
- depending on geometry changes)
If you were seeking anomalous endotherm, which could be equally important 
(theoretically) to gainful exotherm, the experiment would probably need 
different parameters - such as lower voltage DC and surface treatment for 
nanostructure - but it could be worth the effort.
Adding energy to achieve a lower thermal state may seem to be counterproductive 
at first glance, but perhaps it is the one detail that will make everything 
understandable.
There was a bit of evidence that the quantumheat.org folks saw a bit of 
endotherm and were trying to explain it way - rather than to deal with it as 
part of the package of Ni-H oddities.
Jones
From: Jack Cole
I've been conducting a new series of electrolysis experiments with Nitinol (56% 
nickel/44% titanium).  I did a little video demonstrating nitinol's effect of 
contracting when heated while running an electrolysis experiment.  I'm using 
KOH as the electrolyte.
May be of interest to some here.  Seems to me that this alloy may be promising 
for LENR.
http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2013/01/23/automated-android-electrolysis-system-nitinol-demonstration/

Best regards,
Jack

RE: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

Jack,

 

If anomalous cooling in Nitinol (putative) is of any interest - here is
about the simplest experiment which can tell an experimenter something worth
knowing. I've not done it, but it is now on my list.

 

It would be to compare the relative temperature rise using simple resistance
heating of a known mass of electrolyte and identical watt-hours of input -
using two wires of similar resistance, one of which is suspected to cool
anomalously (Nitinol) and the other to heat anomalously (Constantan or
Monel). 

 

No water-splitting or phase-change here to confuse things, just simple
heating of the same mass of water in otherwise identical runs - and logging
temperature rise over time with a precision thermometer - of each wire. My
guess is that Nitinol will supply slightly less heat to the water than
Constantan for the same electrical input. But this is based on Ahern's
results with specialty nano-powder, so the expectation may not apply. Both
wires should be etched to provide Casimir porosity.

 

In checking just now - the electrical resistivity of Constantan and Nitinol
are not the same, but close enough to get identical resistance in two sample
test wires. IOW - by varying the length of wires (or gauge or both) one can
get the same resistance. By using the same wetted surface area with wires of
different lengths, fairly accurate comparative results should be possible
even though there is slightly more constantan by length, since the wetted
area is the same.

 

The results would not be a perfect indicator of an anomaly between the two
types of nickel alloy - but could inspire enough confidence to move onto a
more accurate (and expensive) technique.

 

From: Jack Cole 

 

Jones,

 

I'm still working the kinks out of the experimental procedures.  At first
glance, the behavior doesn't appear to be different than the nickel and
tungsten.  

 

What I am working on now is a three electrode system.  One is made out of
nitinol, and I'm using this as a heating element only.  Another is made out
of nitinol of the same length as the one used for the heating element.  The
third is made from stainless steel.

 

With the Android control system, I am running DC electrolysis for 9 seconds
(16 watts) and then pulse 80-90 watts of 94khz AC (100 milliseconds) through
either the heating element or axially through the cathode.

 

What you end up with is a comparison of runs of pulsing the AC through the
cathode vs. pulsing it through the nitinol used as a heating element.  I
have to make a new cathode and heating element and start over making certain
the impendance is matched for both.  The idea is that you have one nitinol
wire loaded with hydrogen and one that is not loaded with hydrogen.  I'm
thinking the HFAC current may trigger LENR in the hydrogen loaded cathode
but not in the heating element.

 

I thought the nitinol is intriguing for the reasons you noted (titanium and
nickel being used in past experiments) and its shape changing when heated.
I think the next thing to try will be a similar setup using a combination of
tungsten and nitinol paired together.  Then we'll be running with 3
materials that have shown results from other researchers.

 

Also, thank you for the thoughts on endotherm possibilities.  I'll keep that
in mind if I see something anomalous.

 

Jack

 

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

Jack,

Nitinol is a interesting choice since both nickel and titanium are proton
conductors with a history of positive results in LENR - and the wire is
commonly available. Plus there is the strange memory effect (which could
be utilized for audible resonance). 

It appears from your other pages that you've done simple calorimetry to see
if there is evidence of thermal gain using nickel, tungsten etc. Even though
those results were apparently inconclusive, does Nitinol appear to give
markedly different results from the others? 

I said different instead of better - since it should be mentioned that in
Ahern's testing for EPRI there was another anomaly - cooling. IIRC it was an
alloy of nickel and titanium (embedded in zirconia) which provided the
appearance of endotherm - the mysterious disappearance of input energy. It
might help to do an acid etch of the wire as the endotherm is associated
with nano-porosity (and Casimir - which can be both an attractive force or
repellent - depending on geometry changes)

If you were seeking anomalous endotherm, which could be equally important
(theoretically) to gainful exotherm, the experiment would probably need
different parameters - such as lower voltage DC and surface treatment for
nanostructure - but it could be worth the effort. 

Adding energy to achieve a lower thermal state may seem to be
counterproductive at first glance, but perhaps it is the one detail that
will make everything understandable. 

There was a bit of evidence that the quantumheat.org folks saw a bit of
endotherm and were trying to explain it way -

RE: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

2013-01-23 Thread torulf.greek



A proposal from a nuclear amateur. 

If LENR is fusion this
experiment may consume 11B and makes 4He. 

But if LENR involves free
neutrons there would be a different reaction. 

10B+n → 7Li+4He+gamma +
2.31 MeV 

The 10B isotope is good at capturing neutrons. It would be
fine to looking for gamma radiation and Li isotope anomalies. 

And it
would be interesting to make the experiment with borax or boric acid
enriched in 10B and also with 11B. 

This is something how can give a
clue to the nature of the LENR phenomenon. I'm sorrow for this idea may
involve to advanced and expensive methods. 

TG

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

That should be easy enough to carry out.  I will order some constantan and
some more nitinol.

Are you thinking that the hydrogen loading may be unnecessary?


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

  Jack,

 ** **

 If anomalous cooling in Nitinol (putative) is of any interest - here is
 about the simplest experiment which can tell an experimenter something
 worth knowing. I’ve not done it, but it is now on my list.

 ** **

 It would be to compare the relative temperature rise using simple
 resistance heating of a known mass of electrolyte and identical watt-hours
 of input - using two wires of similar resistance, one of which is suspected
 to cool anomalously (Nitinol) and the other to heat anomalously (Constantan
 or Monel). 

 ** **

 No water-splitting or phase-change here to confuse things, just simple
 heating of the same mass of water in otherwise identical runs - and logging
 temperature rise over time with a precision thermometer - of each wire. My
 guess is that Nitinol will supply slightly less heat to the water than
 Constantan for the same electrical input. But this is based on Ahern’s
 results with specialty nano-powder, so the expectation may not apply. Both
 wires should be etched to provide Casimir porosity.

 ** **

 In checking just now - the electrical resistivity of Constantan and
 Nitinol are not the same, but close enough to get identical resistance in
 two sample test wires. IOW - by varying the length of wires (or gauge or
 both) one can get the same resistance. By using the same wetted surface
 area with wires of different lengths, fairly accurate comparative results
 should be possible even though there is slightly more constantan by length,
 since the wetted area is the same.

 ** **

 The results would not be a perfect indicator of an anomaly between the two
 types of nickel alloy - but could inspire enough confidence to move onto a
 more accurate (and expensive) technique.

 ** **

 *From:* Jack Cole 

 ** **

 Jones,

 ** **

 I'm still working the kinks out of the experimental procedures.  At first
 glance, the behavior doesn't appear to be different than the nickel and
 tungsten.  

 ** **

 What I am working on now is a three electrode system.  One is made out of
 nitinol, and I'm using this as a heating element only.  Another is made out
 of nitinol of the same length as the one used for the heating element.  The
 third is made from stainless steel.

 ** **

 With the Android control system, I am running DC electrolysis for 9
 seconds (16 watts) and then pulse 80-90 watts of 94khz AC (100
 milliseconds) through either the heating element or axially through the
 cathode.

 ** **

 What you end up with is a comparison of runs of pulsing the AC through the
 cathode vs. pulsing it through the nitinol used as a heating element.  I
 have to make a new cathode and heating element and start over making
 certain the impendance is matched for both.  The idea is that you have one
 nitinol wire loaded with hydrogen and one that is not loaded with hydrogen.
  I'm thinking the HFAC current may trigger LENR in the hydrogen loaded
 cathode but not in the heating element.

 ** **

 I thought the nitinol is intriguing for the reasons you noted (titanium
 and nickel being used in past experiments) and its shape changing when
 heated.  I think the next thing to try will be a similar setup using a
 combination of tungsten and nitinol paired together.  Then we'll be running
 with 3 materials that have shown results from other researchers.

 ** **

 Also, thank you for the thoughts on endotherm possibilities.  I'll keep
 that in mind if I see something anomalous.

 ** **

 Jack

 ** **

 On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:*
 ***

 Jack,

 Nitinol is a interesting choice since both nickel and titanium are proton
 conductors with a history of positive results in LENR - and the wire is
 commonly available. Plus there is the strange “memory” effect (which could
 be utilized for audible resonance). 

 It appears from your other pages that you’ve done simple calorimetry to
 see if there is evidence of thermal gain using nickel, tungsten etc. Even
 though those results were apparently inconclusive, does Nitinol appear to
 give markedly different results from the others? 

 I said “different” instead of better - since it should be mentioned that
 in Ahern’s testing for EPRI there was another anomaly – cooling. IIRC it
 was an alloy of nickel and titanium (embedded in zirconia) which provided
 the appearance of endotherm – the mysterious disappearance of input energy.
 It might help to do an acid etch of the wire as the endotherm is associated
 with nano-porosity (and Casimir – which can be both an attractive force or
 repellent - depending on geometry changes)

 If you were seeking anomalous endotherm, which could be equally important
 (theoretically) to

RE: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

Hydrogen loading will surely be necessary at some level, but can possibly be
accommodated by combination of low pH electrolyte, not so low as to dissolve
the wires. or preferably by preloading etched wires for a day under H2
pressure and modest heat, or even the simplest expedient which would be
during a slow electro-etching in weak acid- with the wires as cathodes. The
last would be the easiest to try for anyone without H2.

 

From: Jack Cole 

 

That should be easy enough to carry out.  I will order some constantan and
some more nitinol.

 

Are you thinking that the hydrogen loading may be unnecessary?

 

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

Jack, 

If anomalous cooling in Nitinol (putative) is of any interest - here is
about the simplest experiment which can tell an experimenter something worth
knowing. I've not done it, but it is now on my list.

It would be to compare the relative temperature rise using simple resistance
heating of a known mass of electrolyte and identical watt-hours of input -
using two wires of similar resistance, one of which is suspected to cool
anomalously (Nitinol) and the other to heat anomalously (Constantan or
Monel).  

No water-splitting or phase-change here to confuse things, just simple
heating of the same mass of water in otherwise identical runs - and logging
temperature rise over time with a precision thermometer - of each wire. My
guess is that Nitinol will supply slightly less heat to the water than
Constantan for the same electrical input. But this is based on Ahern's
results with specialty nano-powder, so the expectation may not apply. Both
wires should be etched to provide Casimir porosity.

In checking just now - the electrical resistivity of Constantan and Nitinol
are not the same, but close enough to get identical resistance in two sample
test wires. IOW - by varying the length of wires (or gauge or both) one can
get the same resistance. By using the same wetted surface area with wires of
different lengths, fairly accurate comparative results should be possible
even though there is slightly more constantan by length, since the wetted
area is the same. 

The results would not be a perfect indicator of an anomaly between the two
types of nickel alloy - but could inspire enough confidence to move onto a
more accurate (and expensive) technique.

From: Jack Cole  

Jones, 

I'm still working the kinks out of the experimental procedures.  At first
glance, the behavior doesn't appear to be different than the nickel and
tungsten.   

What I am working on now is a three electrode system.  One is made out of
nitinol, and I'm using this as a heating element only.  Another is made out
of nitinol of the same length as the one used for the heating element.  The
third is made from stainless steel.

With the Android control system, I am running DC electrolysis for 9 seconds
(16 watts) and then pulse 80-90 watts of 94khz AC (100 milliseconds) through
either the heating element or axially through the cathode. 

What you end up with is a comparison of runs of pulsing the AC through the
cathode vs. pulsing it through the nitinol used as a heating element.  I
have to make a new cathode and heating element and start over making certain
the impendance is matched for both.  The idea is that you have one nitinol
wire loaded with hydrogen and one that is not loaded with hydrogen.  I'm
thinking the HFAC current may trigger LENR in the hydrogen loaded cathode
but not in the heating element. 

I thought the nitinol is intriguing for the reasons you noted (titanium and
nickel being used in past experiments) and its shape changing when heated.
I think the next thing to try will be a similar setup using a combination of
tungsten and nitinol paired together.  Then we'll be running with 3
materials that have shown results from other researchers.

 

Also, thank you for the thoughts on endotherm possibilities.  I'll keep that
in mind if I see something anomalous.

 

Jack

 

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

Jack,

Nitinol is a interesting choice since both nickel and titanium are proton
conductors with a history of positive results in LENR - and the wire is
commonly available. Plus there is the strange memory effect (which could
be utilized for audible resonance). 

It appears from your other pages that you've done simple calorimetry to see
if there is evidence of thermal gain using nickel, tungsten etc. Even though
those results were apparently inconclusive, does Nitinol appear to give
markedly different results from the others? 

I said different instead of better - since it should be mentioned that in
Ahern's testing for EPRI there was another anomaly - cooling. IIRC it was an
alloy of nickel and titanium (embedded in zirconia) which provided the
appearance of endotherm - the mysterious disappearance of input energy. It
might help to do an acid etch of the wire as the endotherm is associated
with nano-porosity

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

I could run some low power electrolysis for a day or two in some diluted
hydrochloric acid.  Think that would do the trick?  Or do you have another
idea for the acid?


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

  Hydrogen loading will surely be necessary at some level, but can
 possibly be accommodated by combination of low pH electrolyte, not so low
 as to dissolve the wires… or preferably by preloading etched wires for a
 day under H2 pressure and modest heat, or even the simplest expedient which
 would be during a slow electro-etching in weak acid- with the wires as
 cathodes. The last would be the easiest to try for anyone without H2.

 ** **

 *From:* Jack Cole 

 ** **

 That should be easy enough to carry out.  I will order some constantan and
 some more nitinol.

  

 Are you thinking that the hydrogen loading may be unnecessary?

 ** **

 On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:*
 ***

 Jack, 

 If anomalous cooling in Nitinol (putative) is of any interest - here is
 about the simplest experiment which can tell an experimenter something
 worth knowing. I’ve not done it, but it is now on my list.

 It would be to compare the relative temperature rise using simple
 resistance heating of a known mass of electrolyte and identical watt-hours
 of input - using two wires of similar resistance, one of which is suspected
 to cool anomalously (Nitinol) and the other to heat anomalously (Constantan
 or Monel).  

 No water-splitting or phase-change here to confuse things, just simple
 heating of the same mass of water in otherwise identical runs - and logging
 temperature rise over time with a precision thermometer - of each wire. My
 guess is that Nitinol will supply slightly less heat to the water than
 Constantan for the same electrical input. But this is based on Ahern’s
 results with specialty nano-powder, so the expectation may not apply. Both
 wires should be etched to provide Casimir porosity.

 In checking just now - the electrical resistivity of Constantan and
 Nitinol are not the same, but close enough to get identical resistance in
 two sample test wires. IOW - by varying the length of wires (or gauge or
 both) one can get the same resistance. By using the same wetted surface
 area with wires of different lengths, fairly accurate comparative results
 should be possible even though there is slightly more constantan by length,
 since the wetted area is the same. 

 The results would not be a perfect indicator of an anomaly between the two
 types of nickel alloy - but could inspire enough confidence to move onto a
 more accurate (and expensive) technique.

 *From:* Jack Cole  

 Jones, 

 I'm still working the kinks out of the experimental procedures.  At first
 glance, the behavior doesn't appear to be different than the nickel and
 tungsten.   

 What I am working on now is a three electrode system.  One is made out of
 nitinol, and I'm using this as a heating element only.  Another is made out
 of nitinol of the same length as the one used for the heating element.  The
 third is made from stainless steel.

 With the Android control system, I am running DC electrolysis for 9
 seconds (16 watts) and then pulse 80-90 watts of 94khz AC (100
 milliseconds) through either the heating element or axially through the
 cathode. 

 What you end up with is a comparison of runs of pulsing the AC through the
 cathode vs. pulsing it through the nitinol used as a heating element.  I
 have to make a new cathode and heating element and start over making
 certain the impendance is matched for both.  The idea is that you have one
 nitinol wire loaded with hydrogen and one that is not loaded with hydrogen.
  I'm thinking the HFAC current may trigger LENR in the hydrogen loaded
 cathode but not in the heating element. 

 I thought the nitinol is intriguing for the reasons you noted (titanium
 and nickel being used in past experiments) and its shape changing when
 heated.  I think the next thing to try will be a similar setup using a
 combination of tungsten and nitinol paired together.  Then we'll be running
 with 3 materials that have shown results from other researchers.

  

 Also, thank you for the thoughts on endotherm possibilities.  I'll keep
 that in mind if I see something anomalous.

  

 Jack

  

 On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:*
 ***

 Jack,

 Nitinol is a interesting choice since both nickel and titanium are proton
 conductors with a history of positive results in LENR - and the wire is
 commonly available. Plus there is the strange “memory” effect (which could
 be utilized for audible resonance). 

 It appears from your other pages that you’ve done simple calorimetry to
 see if there is evidence of thermal gain using nickel, tungsten etc. Even
 though those results were apparently inconclusive, does

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

2013-01-23 Thread Terry Blanton

And the calorimetry?  How will you know if you have something?

Re: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)

I am using a basic open electrolytic cell with with a temperature sensor in
the cell and one for ambient temperature.  Temperature and power input
levels are recorded every second.  I start with an elevated baseline
temperature in the cell above ambient and do several repeated runs allowing
it to cool to the elevated baseline in between runs (in a fully automated
and pre-programmed process).  Obviously this is not as sensitive as
advanced calorimetry, but it is also not without utility.


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

 And the calorimetry?  How will you know if you have something?

RE: [Vo]:new experiment (nitinol)