Re: Betteries

2006-05-17 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Zell, Chris's message of Tue, 16 May 2006 08:23:52 -0500: Hi, [snip] True, but in this case we are storing the best form of energy, electricity as opposed to a car engine. You might need cheaper electricity to make this gadget more than a marginal improvement over what we're stuck

RE: Betteries

2006-05-16 Thread Zell, Chris
True, but in this case we are storing the best form of energy, electricity as opposed to a car engine. You might need cheaper electricity to make this gadget more than a marginal improvement over what we're stuck with now. 20% is also about the efficiency of an ICE, which is also a bit

RE: Betteries

2006-05-15 Thread Zell, Chris
The thing to analyze is the efficiency. 20% for the Euro device is a bit painful. As I look into the archives, I see Chris Zell originally posted on this Al bettery some time ago. US patent 6,482,548 describes a similar technology with almost as great an energy density:    

Re: Betteries

2006-05-15 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Zell, Chris's message of Mon, 15 May 2006 08:37:30 -0500: Hi, [snip] The thing to analyze is the efficiency. 20% for the Euro device is a bit painful. 20% is also about the efficiency of an ICE, which is also a bit painful, but we use them anyway. Regards, Robin van

Re: Betteries

2006-05-14 Thread john herman
What is GRC??? On 5/13/06, Grimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:06 am 13/05/2006 +0100, you wrote:At 08:35 pm 12/05/2006 -0400, you wrote: -Original Message-From: John CovielloSounds interesting. But is there any proof that this is anythingexcept a European a stock scam?

Re: Betteries

2006-05-14 Thread Grimer
At 06:00 am 14/05/2006 -0400, John Herman wrote: What is GRC??? Glass fibre reinforced cement, generally referred to as GRC is a combination of alkali resistant drawn glass fibre (ARG) and a cement based matrix. http://www.abbeystoneproducts.co.uk/grc.htm FG

Re: Betteries

2006-05-13 Thread Grimer
At 08:35 pm 12/05/2006 -0400, you wrote: -Original Message- From: John Coviello Sounds interesting.  But is there any proof that this is anything except a European a stock scam? http://www.frost.com/prod/servlet/press-release.pag?docid=34239544 MmmInteresting. Proof enough for

Re: Betteries

2006-05-13 Thread Grimer
At 09:21 pm 12/05/2006 -0500, you wrote: It's a bet, a gamble as is all stock. Somebody will put up 2 mil to learn if a prototype can be built. If it is built, some more mney will be needed to learn if it works. Then some more money will be needed to see it it will hold up in service, then more

Re: Betteries

2006-05-13 Thread Grimer
At 07:06 am 13/05/2006 +0100, you wrote: At 08:35 pm 12/05/2006 -0400, you wrote: -Original Message- From: John Coviello Sounds interesting.  But is there any proof that this is anything except a European a stock scam?

Re: Betteries

2006-05-13 Thread John Coviello
- Original Message - From: Grimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:15 AM Subject: Re: Betteries At 09:21 pm 12/05/2006 -0500, you wrote: It's a bet, a gamble as is all stock. Somebody will put up 2 mil to learn if a prototype can be built

Re: Betteries

2006-05-13 Thread Michel Jullian
are made is dirt cheap (literally ;) Michel - Original Message - From: John Coviello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:29 PM Subject: Re: Betteries - Original Message - From: Grimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday

Re: Betteries

2006-05-13 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: John Coviello I'll have to read up on this company and technology. The claims of capacity are so great, that a natural amount of skepticism is very warranted. If they can produce such an aluminum battery, I would assume that it would not be very expensive,

Re: Betteries

2006-05-13 Thread John Coviello
Here's the run down on Betteries and Europositron. This below index has all the relevant links. There is quite a lot on the Internet about this company and technology. The company was founded in 1989. http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Europositron_Rechargeable_Aluminum_Batteries

Re: Betteries

2006-05-12 Thread John Coviello
selling stock on their website (red flag). I'll have to read up on this new battery claim. I reserve judgement. - Original Message - From: Zell, Chris To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:45 PM Subject: RE: Betteries Sounds interesting. But is there any

Re: Betteries

2006-05-12 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Zell, Chris's message of Fri, 12 May 2006 15:45:53 -0500: Hi, [snip] I think the fine print on this battery tells you that it may be only 20+% efficient, unless they've improved it. Maybe the waste heat could go to a greenhouse or something. [snip] Where did you find the fine print?

Re: Betteries

2006-05-12 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: John Coviello Sounds interesting.  But is there any proof that this is anything except a European a stock scam? http://www.frost.com/prod/servlet/press-release.pag?docid=34239544 ___ Try the New Netscape Mail

Re: Betteries

2006-05-12 Thread RC Macaulay
and Sullivan may be the people to contact. They are hand holders for a fee. Richard - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: Re: Betteries -Original Message- From: John Coviello Sounds interesting