Re: Bush and ethanol in Slate.com

2006-02-14 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:01:28 -0500: Hi, [snip] Extracting more biomass out of North American land is lunacy. We should be putting it back, letting forests regrow and leaving more fields fallow. The soil is really mined primarily through loss of trace

RE: Bush and ethanol in Slate.com

2006-02-02 Thread Zell, Chris
Much of the criticism about ethanol is simple pessimism, and ignores the likelihood that the technology will improve as it develops. www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1556439.htm -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006

Re: Bush and ethanol in Slate.com

2006-02-02 Thread Harry Veeder
Another hydrocarbon economy. Harry Jed Rothwell wrote: See: http://www.slate.com/id/2135236/nav/tap2/ And especially this, from last year, describing Pimentel and Patzek's conclusions: http://www.slate.com/id/2122961/ - Jed

RE: Bush and ethanol in Slate.com

2006-02-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris wrote: Much of the criticism about ethanol is simple pessimism, and ignores the likelihood that the technology will improve as it develops. A terrific amount of money has been invested in the technology and it has not improved much. Industry spokesmen claim a 30% net gain which

RE: Bush and ethanol in Slate.com

2006-02-02 Thread Zell, Chris
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:51 PM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Bush and ethanol in Slate.com Zell, Chris wrote: Much of the criticism about ethanol is simple pessimism, and ignores the likelihood

RE: Bush and ethanol in Slate.com

2006-02-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris wrote: A terrific amount of money has been invested in the technology and it has not improved much. Industry spokesmen claim a 30% net gain which is abysmal. If that is the best they can do, the industry should be shut down immediately. And , of course, the same statement applies

RE: Bush and ethanol in Slate.com

2006-02-02 Thread Zell, Chris
We can burn ethanol in cars right now. There are no cold fusion cars. We are still waiting for a commercially available unit, so, you're quite right, ethanol and cold fusion aren't comparable. Since we are in the realm of mythology, you can believe whatever you wish about

RE: Bush and ethanol in Slate.com

2006-02-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris wrote: Since we are in the realm of mythology, you can believe whatever you wish about oil companies - but their LEADERS explicitly state that NIMBYism is behind the fact that the US hasn't built a refinery since 1976. Oil company leaders are remarkable people, but they