SV: [Vo]:How could we collect ideas and knowledge on engineering of LENR devices?

2015-02-13 Thread Lewan Mats
Good thoughts Rob.

I believe that the main challenge for LENR Cities will be to provide 
substantial innovation of its own.
Experience from the IT industry tells us that in order to grow a successful 
eco-system where talented people will contribute, you need to offer attractive 
innovation for others to build upon, e.g. Windows, IOS/iPhone/iPad, Android 
(the counter example is Nokia/Symbian that was not good enough).
Just to offer a network will not do, if you want to produce revenue from you 
eco-system.

And even if you don’t plan for profit you need to offer innovation – e.g. 
Wikipedia  (the idea + the wiki tool), Linux (the Linux kernel by Torvalds et 
al).

This would correspond to the part that you mention will be shared openly by 
those who do not care about IP. Maybe enthusiasm could do initially, but sooner 
or later you probably have to offer something substantial to build upon, to 
attract people.

Yet, I think that the structures you suggest are spot-on, and the idea to look 
at other community projects is good. 3D printers and drones are examples of 
communities that are more loosely held together, and yet they have information 
sharing.

Mats
www.animpossibleinvention.comhttp://www.animpossibleinvention.com



Från: Teslaalset [mailto:robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com]
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Till: vortex-l@eskimo.com
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devices?

Mats, some thoughts:

Maybe the guys from LENR-cities have some ideas. They promote an open IP 
structure, although not well defined yet. I've asked for more details, but they 
probably are lacking time in detailling this out for the moment.

Part of valuable ideas will probably be converted into patent applications as 
well by individuals.
Those inventors may want to promote their ideas as soon as their ideas are 
secured.

The other part will be shared openly by those who do not care about IP.

Collecting and stucturing ideas also require serious moderation to keep a 
certain professional level.
I've been thinking of several places to moderate professional engineering ideas:
- meetup groups
- moderated LinkedIn groups
- dedicated e-mail reflectors

I see several sub-groups that handle following activities:
- a think tank that defines engeneering topics and brainstorms about solutions
- a review team that reviews proposed engineering ideas
- a feasibility team that is able to prototype (e.g. MFMP)
- F2F meetings in several regions.

Another approach:
Are there similar global cooperation projects that can be used to piggy back on?
- How is the 3D printing society organized?
- How is the Drone society organized?
- Cooperate with FabLabs that facilitate tooling?
- Other global cooperation activities that have usefull ways of working ?

Cheers,
Rob

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Lewan Mats 
mats.le...@nyteknik.semailto:mats.le...@nyteknik.se wrote:
Lots of interesting ideas are flowing here on Vortex on various aspects of LENR 
engineering – methods to control the phenomenon, different materials to be 
tried, temperatures to focus on, geometries etc.

How could all these ideas be collected and structured, in order to make the 
information searchable for anyone who’s trying to develop and engineer future 
devices?

Frank Acland made an initiative with a kind of Wiki: 
http://kb.e-catworld.com/index.php?title=E-Cat_World_LENR_Knowledge_Base , but 
I don’t know if it has any chance of being used for this kind of flow of ideas.

Probably the gathering of information should be automated with text analysis.

Comments?

Mats

Mats
www.animpossibleinvention.comhttp://www.animpossibleinvention.com





SV: [Vo]:How could we collect ideas and knowledge on engineering of LENR devices?

2015-02-13 Thread Lewan Mats
Frank,

Let’s hope the ECW knowledge base can contribute to this. I think it would be 
extremely valuable to have all these ideas and all this knowledge accessible 
and searchable.

Actually, I believe that this is part of a new way of developing knowledge, 
faster than what was ever possible before the internet, which will further 
contribute to the well-known trend with inventions spreading over the world to 
mass adoption at an ever increasing speed (compare automobiles, television, 
mobile phones). Judging from technology history, LENR will reach mass adoption 
faster than any earlier invention.

Mats
www.animpossibleinvention.comhttp://www.animpossibleinvention.com


Från: Frank Acland [mailto:ecatwo...@gmail.com]
Skickat: den 13 februari 2015 14:20
Till: vortex-l@eskimo.com
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devices?

Mats,

I hope that in time the the ECW LENR Knowledge Base would be useful for the 
kind of thing you are discussing. We certainly want to have information about 
LENR engineering included.

The Wiki structure using MediaWiki software is familiar and quite flexible, and 
allows for searching capabilities. It's not organized like a discussion forum 
or email list, but there is the capability for discussion on every article on 
the site in the talk section.

Right now there are just a very few people active in creating content -- and 
we've only just started, so it's rather limited so far. I hope in time that 
number of contributors will increase.

Anyone interesting in getting involved in editing the KB, please email me at 
ecatwo...@gmail.commailto:ecatwo...@gmail.com, and I'll get you set up with 
an account.

Best,

Frank





On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:26 AM, Lewan Mats 
mats.le...@nyteknik.semailto:mats.le...@nyteknik.se wrote:
Good thoughts Rob.

I believe that the main challenge for LENR Cities will be to provide 
substantial innovation of its own.
Experience from the IT industry tells us that in order to grow a successful 
eco-system where talented people will contribute, you need to offer attractive 
innovation for others to build upon, e.g. Windows, IOS/iPhone/iPad, Android 
(the counter example is Nokia/Symbian that was not good enough).
Just to offer a network will not do, if you want to produce revenue from you 
eco-system.

And even if you don’t plan for profit you need to offer innovation – e.g. 
Wikipedia  (the idea + the wiki tool), Linux (the Linux kernel by Torvalds et 
al).

This would correspond to the part that you mention will be shared openly by 
those who do not care about IP. Maybe enthusiasm could do initially, but sooner 
or later you probably have to offer something substantial to build upon, to 
attract people.

Yet, I think that the structures you suggest are spot-on, and the idea to look 
at other community projects is good. 3D printers and drones are examples of 
communities that are more loosely held together, and yet they have information 
sharing.

Mats
www.animpossibleinvention.comhttp://www.animpossibleinvention.com



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[mailto:robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.commailto:robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com]
Skickat: den 13 februari 2015 11:41
Till: vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com
Ämne: Re: [Vo]:How could we collect ideas and knowledge on engineering of LENR 
devices?

Mats, some thoughts:

Maybe the guys from LENR-cities have some ideas. They promote an open IP 
structure, although not well defined yet. I've asked for more details, but they 
probably are lacking time in detailling this out for the moment.

Part of valuable ideas will probably be converted into patent applications as 
well by individuals.
Those inventors may want to promote their ideas as soon as their ideas are 
secured.

The other part will be shared openly by those who do not care about IP.

Collecting and stucturing ideas also require serious moderation to keep a 
certain professional level.
I've been thinking of several places to moderate professional engineering ideas:
- meetup groups
- moderated LinkedIn groups
- dedicated e-mail reflectors

I see several sub-groups that handle following activities:
- a think tank that defines engeneering topics and brainstorms about solutions
- a review team that reviews proposed engineering ideas
- a feasibility team that is able to prototype (e.g. MFMP)
- F2F meetings in several regions.

Another approach:
Are there similar global cooperation projects that can be used to piggy back on?
- How is the 3D printing society organized?
- How is the Drone society organized?
- Cooperate with FabLabs that facilitate tooling?
- Other global cooperation activities that have usefull ways of working ?

Cheers,
Rob

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Lewan Mats 
mats.le...@nyteknik.semailto:mats.le...@nyteknik.se wrote:
Lots of interesting ideas are flowing here on Vortex on various aspects of LENR 
engineering – methods to control the phenomenon, different materials to be 
tried, temperatures to