RE: WHAT'S NEW Monday, Jan 03 05

2005-01-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
John Steck wrote: I do not think that conclusion precludes fatalism however. Our future is not written in stone somewhere. We exercise free will, but it would be naive to think we are not largely predictable because of severe influences past and present. This strikes me as a false dichotomy. We

RE: WHAT'S NEW Monday, Jan 03 05

2005-01-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Let me give one more example of what I had in mind. John Steck wrote: If you become a student of human psychology you discover our sub-conscious decision making ability is severely flawed by life long conditioning, education, and natural selection responses. It is the cornerstone of marketing

RE: WHAT'S NEW Monday, Jan 03 05

2005-01-05 Thread John Steck
Flawed in that we truly believe we are freely making unbiased choices and havelordship over the influences around us. That believe exists only throughthe bliss of ignorance. Consciously we do sometimes exercise broad judgment over our impulses, unconsciously we are quite pre-disposed to

Re: WHAT'S NEW Monday, Jan 03 05

2005-01-05 Thread FHLew
John Steck To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:20 AM Subject: RE: WHAT'S NEW Monday, Jan 03 05 Flawed in that we truly believe we are freely making unbiased choices and havelordship over the influences around us. That believe exists only throughthe blis

Re: WHAT'S NEW Monday, Jan 03 05

2005-01-05 Thread Edmund Storms
Jed Rothwell wrote: John Steck wrote: I do not think that conclusion precludes fatalism however. Our future is not written in stone somewhere. We exercise free will, but it would be naive to think we are not largely predictable because of severe influences past and present. This strikes me as

Re: WHAT'S NEW Monday, Jan 03 05

2005-01-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: and of course they are completely bounded by a small set of rules, Not any more. I meant they are bounded by the CPU instruction set, which is still small, and will probably remain small. (I hope.) Of course humans and all life seeks that environment in which it can

Re: WHAT'S NEW Monday, Jan 03 05

2005-01-04 Thread revtec
It seems that we have come back to Intelligent Design because the universe, as presently described by scientists, is still too small and too young to produce the complexity of a living cell by random processes. If Darwin would have had access to thefindings of molecular biology and

Re: WHAT'S NEW Monday, Jan 03 05

2005-01-04 Thread Harry Veeder
Title: Re: WHAT'S NEW Monday, Jan 03 05 Do you have a reference for that quote? Harry revtec at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that we have come back to Intelligent Design because the universe, as presently described by scientists, is still too small and too young to produce

Re: WHAT'S NEW Monday, Jan 03 05

2005-01-04 Thread Harry Veeder
Personally I do not feel life BEGINS by chance, although the subsequent evolution is plausibly Darwinian. Perhaps an E.T. (not necessarily God) has been 'guiding' the evolution of life on this planet. Anyway, the intelligent design theory is bigger than religion. Harry Grimer at [EMAIL