Re: [Vo]:a challenge for skeptics -- hidden H2 source would have to supply 36--216 kg H2 to make Rossi heat: Rich Murray 2011.01.18

2011-01-19 Thread Peter Gluck
The result is not plausible, actually if you burn 1kg hydrogen, the heat of combustion will suffice to evaporate ~20kg water. But this is an easily measurable quantity. Peter On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com wrote: Correctio -- I should say, 36 -- 216 kg/hour

[Vo]: OT: Can a proud uncle crow about his nephew's first peer-reviewed paper!

2011-01-19 Thread Mark Iverson
Molecular Investigations into the Mechanics of Actin in Different Nucleotide States Ji Y. Lee, Tyler M. Iverson, and Ruxandra I. Dima* J. Phys. Chem. B 2011, 115, 186-195 Wish he didn't live so far away... Sniff! -Mark Iverson

Re: [Vo]: OT: Can a proud uncle crow about his nephew's first peer-reviewed paper!

2011-01-19 Thread Peter Gluck
Congrats, Google says he is *somebody!* * * A very interesting subject. He collaborstes witha Romanian lady; where? Peter On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Molecular Investigations into the Mechanics of Actin in Different Nucleotide States Ji Y. Lee,

RE: [Vo]: OT: Can a proud uncle crow about his nephew's first peer-reviewed paper!

2011-01-19 Thread Mark Iverson
Hi Peter... He's at the Univ of Cincinatti, Ohio, USA. Want's to be an Anesthesiologist... -Mark _ From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 1:13 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]: OT: Can a proud uncle crow about his nephew's first

Re: [Vo]: OT: Can a proud uncle crow about his nephew's first peer-reviewed paper!

2011-01-19 Thread Peter Gluck
Fine profession but highly risky (both for the patient and the anesthesiologist)- my mother's cousin, Dr Paul Radnay was a great one worked at the Montefiore Hospital in New York, if I remember well Peter On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.netwrote: Hi Peter...

[Vo]:Steam was vented out of the room

2011-01-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is some correspondence from Celani and Rossi. I assume this means the steam was vented out of the window. I had a comical image in mind of people trying to conduct an experiment amidst clouds of steam, like something from Monty Python. Another comical scenario would be the hidden wires

[Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-19 Thread Jones Beene
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/01/19/rossi-and-focardi-lenr-device-prob ably-real-with-credit-to-piantelli/ But he is still giving the most credit to Piantelli, when probably that is completely wrong, and the three things which led to this breakthrough were (in order of importance): 1)

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-19 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Jones, Have you read my answer to Ed Storms's message you have cited here? I do not agree with him regarding the main points. The things are always much more complicated than they seem to be. Re your point 1) what do you know about this nano-Ni work- what when was accomplished? Do you know

Re: [Vo]:a longer duration black box test would prove issue without disclosure

2011-01-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: */PLEASE!/* Let's strive for a little more precision in the language here! It was *not* disinformation, which is misinformation that is _deliberately_ disseminated in order to influence or confuse rivals (WordNet 2.0) Exactly right. There is no advantage to a

Re: [Vo]:a longer duration black box test would prove issue without disclosure

2011-01-19 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/19/2011 11:06 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Stephen - How can you presume that there has been no deliberate attempt to confuse the situation? OK, my apologies! I /assumed/ (apparently incorrectly!) that your choice of words was accidental rather than intentional. Of course if you meant to

RE: [Vo]: how to stop runaway condition... I must be missing something!

2011-01-19 Thread Mark Iverson
Hi Fran: Yes, agreed... The comment about steam was only half serious! The thought there was that the steam was 'exhaust' and dilution of the 'fuel' with exhaust would decrease efficiency. But that was thinking of this thing like an internal combustion engine... However, no one has commented

RE: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-19 Thread Jones Beene
Peter, As a humorous note, in an ethnocentric kind of way, you can probably appreciate this comment. The name Dr Andrea Rossi, has been around for some time in thermoelectrics, but prior to recently I had been under the impression that this person was a woman, since that name in the USA is

RE: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-19 Thread Mark Iverson
The Q and A between Krivit and Rossi (on the NET link that Jones refers to below) has Rossi giving many additional tidbits... One is that books by Greiner and Cooks were important to his success... This is what Rossi has to say about it: the more important books (for me, Greiner and Cooks) do

[Vo]: the real brains behind Rossi...

2011-01-19 Thread Mark Iverson
This from the italian article sent to Jed by Pierre (earlier posting): The prototype, already covered by patents owned by Maddalena Pascucci, wife of Ross[i]... Article in La Republicca Bologna : http://bit.ly/gm9mlQ (translation is not perfect !) That must be a translation error... but it

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]: how to stop runaway condition... I must be missing something!

2011-01-19 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Mark, I think the danger is to the Casimir geometries in the synthetic catalyst formed by the nano powders not to the people standing around the equipment. I disagree with Ed Storms theory that this is first and foremost a nuclear reaction but agree with his assessment regarding the

RE: [Vo]: how to stop runaway condition... I must be missing something!

2011-01-19 Thread Jones Beene
If you go back to the Miley/Holmlid finding of hydrogen densities in the IRH range, then a runaway reaction is not out of the question, even at low pressure (or by stopping the H2 flow). Horace, Terry and a few others who have followed both LENR and Mills will probably remember the Vince Cockeram

RE: [Vo]: the real brains behind Rossi...

2011-01-19 Thread Jones Beene
Are you implying that this was (partly) Maddy's idea, by that comparison :-) http://www.teslasociety.com/Mileva.htm . I think it more likely the (25 million Euro) bill for toxic dumping may have had a little something to do with it too, bankruptcy laws being what they are in some

Re: [Vo]:Miles Mathis

2011-01-19 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Hi Mauro, I'm glad your follow-up on Miles Mathis was not lost because of the recent Italian Brouhaha. Your initial introduction to Mathis to the Vort Collective got my attention. I started reading his papers. The article that has interested me the most was the one in regards to: Explaining the

[Vo]: Russian experiments from 1974 and other musings...

2011-01-19 Thread Mark Iverson
This from Rossi's website comment section... But no one in Russia has been able to find the right combination to exploit/enhance the energy production in almost 40 years... I guess that's where Rossi-Focardi come in... or did it just happen by chance? Given that there are 6e9 people on the

RE: [Vo]: the real brains behind Rossi...

2011-01-19 Thread Mark Iverson
No, not really... but do we know anything about his wife's technical background??? The thought was really about his needing to protect the IP rights from those who have a grudge (legal or otherwise) against him... so he assigned the legal rights to someone else... If this is as big as it

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-19 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Jones, I have no problems with the masculinity of the name Andrea, I am very fond of opera music and Andrea Chenier by U. Giordano is one opera I like much. To be sincere I absolutely do not care if somebody is a PhD or not. Do you know Cipolla's Laws of Stupidity? One of these laws says

[Vo]:Transcription of Rossi press conference in Russian

2011-01-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here, among other things, is a transcription of the press conference translated into Russian: http://oko-planet.su/science/scienceday/57397-holodnyy-termoyad-zarabotal.html Google translate does a pretty good of translating the Russian into English. - Jed

Re: [Vo]: how to stop runaway condition... I must be missing something!

2011-01-19 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jan 19, 2011, at 7:38 AM, Mark Iverson wrote: Hi Fran: Yes, agreed... The comment about steam was only half serious! The thought there was that the steam was 'exhaust' and dilution of the 'fuel' with exhaust would decrease efficiency. But that was thinking of this thing like an

Re: [Vo]:Thousands of Birds and Fish Dropping Dead

2011-01-19 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jan 18, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Mark Iverson wrote: Welcome back to the fray, Horace! Thanks! I'm not really back in the fray. Just stopping in briefly. I'm hoping to get back in eventually, but have pressing problems at the moment. Its been about 9 months since your last postings...

[Vo]:Dr. Mills responds to query about possible CIHT demo in 2011

2011-01-19 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
See: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SocietyforClassicalPhysics/message/866 We are working on an electrical demonstration for 2011. As reported we have and continue to have experts independently run the systems with full disclosure of the chemistry and full characterization of the

Re: [Vo]: how to stop runaway condition... I must be missing something!

2011-01-19 Thread Horace Heffner
I sent this earlier and nothing came back through vortex to me, so I'm sending it again. On Jan 19, 2011, at 7:38 AM, Mark Iverson wrote: Hi Fran: Yes, agreed... The comment about steam was only half serious! The thought there was that the steam was 'exhaust' and dilution of the 'fuel'

Re: [Vo]:Transcription of Rossi press conference in Russian

2011-01-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is an interesting comment from the Russian discussion. Apparently, Rossi told someone not to use a particle detector. This person thinks that means the reaction is not difficult to suss out with a detect. QUOTE Google Translation: In general, if we assume that all this is true, it is

Re: [Vo]:a longer duration black box test would prove issue without disclosure

2011-01-19 Thread mixent
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:31:25 -0500: Hi, [snip] Of course if you meant to imply that Rossi was intentionally trying to mislead everyone when he said it was 1500 degrees in there, then 'disinformation' was indeed the right word. [snip] You are all making a

[Vo]: vortex server seems a bit lethargic!

2011-01-19 Thread Mark Iverson
Horace: I've noticed that the vortex server is taking longer than usual.. sometimes up to 30 to 40 minutes to get a posting thru and out to the subscribers... Hope its not getting what the birds have! -Mark -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner [mailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net] Sent:

Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder noted the PesWiki report: http://pesn.com/2011/01/17/9501746_Focardi-Rossi_10_kW_cold_fusion_prepping_for_market/ This is a good summary. Lots of details in one place, such as the fact that Rossi says they plan to ship the first units in three months, and they are manufacturing a

Re: [Vo]:a longer duration black box test would prove issue without disclosure

2011-01-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
mix...@bigpond.com wrote: You are all making a mountain out of a molehill. Obviously the average temperature was 400 ºC, while there were hot spots where the temperature exceeded the melting point of Ni, as it became fused in places. Takahashi told me there is a form of low-temperature

Re: [Vo]:a longer duration black box test would prove issue without disclosure

2011-01-19 Thread noone noone
Jed, I emailed you. Please respond. From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 8:17:19 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:a longer duration black box test would prove issue without disclosure mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:a longer duration black box test would prove issue without disclosure

2011-01-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:33 PM, noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com wrote: Jed, I emailed you. Please respond. Is that no one or noonie? I used to get a nooner occasionally. eg T

Re: [Vo]:Steam was vented out of the room

2011-01-19 Thread Rich Murray
So, Celani and Rossi both clarify that the output steam is vented to the outside air -- I'm glad to see that issue cleared up -- I concur that the evidence strongly shows the huge heat output is real. This establishes the reality of unknown fundamental physics, easily accessible in small, simple,

[Vo]:Deuterium kills the reaction?

2011-01-19 Thread Jones Beene
One detail worth exploring further was the statement from Rossi that only hydrogen works, and that deuterium kills the reaction ! That is counter-intuitive to say the least. Everyone in hot fusion knows for an absolute fact that deuterium is the more active nucleus, right? And everyone in LENR

Re: [Vo]:Deuterium kills the reaction?

2011-01-19 Thread Rich Murray
Thanks, I put this on Rossi's blog -- very interesting to read the old article. Robert A. Heinlein in The Rolling Stones wrote fine science fiction for teenagers in 1952 about a family vacationing from the Moon to Mars, in a rocket powered by Single-H... I read it over and over. Rich Murray

RE: [Vo]:Deuterium kills the reaction?

2011-01-19 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Rich Murray Thanks, I put this on Rossi's blog -- very interesting to read the old article. Wait, there is more. And it is what many of you have been breathlessly awaiting. Yup, it’s black box time. Show and tell. Here is what could be in the Rossi black

Re: [Vo]:Deuterium kills the reaction?

2011-01-19 Thread Harry Veeder
hmmm...consider this... A CANDU fission reactor needs lots of slow neutrons, so it uses heavy water as a moderator instead of light water. Harry From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 9:27:47 PM Subject: [Vo]:Deuterium kills the reaction?

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-19 Thread Harry Veeder
Would weighing the entire apparatus before and after reveal a concealed chemical reaction? Harry From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 11:35:12 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents On 01/19/2011 05:37 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: It is

RE: [Vo]:Deuterium kills the reaction?

2011-01-19 Thread Mark Iverson
Yes, I think Jones has a point... We know that at least some of the input power is used to feed a (resistive) heating element when starting up the reactor... i.e., you have to 'preheat the oven before baking the cookies'! :-) This initial power level is ~1000W - 1200W. After the reaction